windows 11

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  1. michael59

    michael59 Celestial

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    When Microsoft said Windows 10 will be the last windows on your PC they didn't joke around.

     
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  2. AD1184

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    Linux Mint is a free, open source alternative to Windows that delivers a Windows-like user experience. No forced updates, no Cortana, no user data sent to Microsoft, or other silliness associated with Windows.
     
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  3. HAL9000

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    I am using openSuse Leap.

    And I generally use it just as I do my XP machine.

    All the geek stuff is there if you need it, (similar to DOS, but much deeper), but you can get by without it.

    Best thing is to download a copy of some Linux and run it from either a CD or a flash stick. That way there is no need to make any changes to your normal machine.

    Thing is, do you really need to upgrade ?
     
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  4. nivek

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    I cannot stand it when an application refuses to open and operate until it has been updated...I had a fuel savings app do thst to me when I was at the fuel pump getting petrol, it refused to open until I updated it and I'm not going to screw around with that at a fuel pump so I deleted it and haven't used it since...I can understand if I went a year without updating the application, but a week or two since the last update shouldn't have made a difference...I do not like insistent technology...

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  5. wwkirk

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    I'm no longer into tech nitty gritty, so I'll have to wait until Microsoft's compatibility checker is up and running.

    Again, I don't know much, but intuitively, the ability of Windows 11 to run android apps sounds like a major development that could conceivably require computers of sufficient sophistication. I say that only because Windows 10 and earlier have been unable to utilize such apps directly, in spite of their being incredibly widespread.

    For years I've heard that backwards compatibility is technically challenging to preserve. And, of course, it only stretches back so far. I guess the shocker here is that even relatively recent PCs may not be up to snuff. But only those with sufficient technical expertise can confirm or reject the legitimacy what what Microsoft is doing.

    The main problem for the dude in the video is that he actively utilizes an unusually large number of computers, including several older models. But I guess many small businesses are in the same boat. I also have a few, but really only use one.
     
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  6. wwkirk

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    I just learned that either my laptop will be auto-upgraded or not.

    Video guy also convinced me that to some extent the cutoff line regarding which devices are compatible is arbitrary and that MS may decide to stretch it.
     
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  7. HAL9000

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    I don't know if anyone here watches the 'Curiosmarc' videos.

    But in one case he and his friends had a lot of 8" floppies to transcribe onto more modern media.

    First they had to find a working 8" drive.

    Look it up. The title is something like 'digital archeology'

    If you go on his site and click on Videos (may be 'all videos') Its well down the list.

    I'll look it up and get back.
     
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  8. nivek

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    Hitting on this again question again, as far as PC operating systems, I have never been in the habit of chasing after the next OS or upgrade to a current OS right away as soon as they come out, I tend to let them circulate a bit and get all the patches and whatnot in order before I start using it...On my laptop I have an older version of Slackware Linux I run, I think 10.1 or something and on another partition I use Windows 7 (which I think is the best OS Microsoft ever put out)...Then I have another drive I switch in that laptop which is a programming drive and it also has two OS partitions, one has Windows XP to run Allen Bradley and Beckoff software and the other also has Windows 7 to run Seimens software...Then I have a third drive I sometimes use in my laptop that has Windows 10...lol

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  9. HAL9000

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    I have two machines running XP; A desk top and my laptop. My 'fast' machine runs the Linux, and has a partition with Vista on it. But there is a problem with the Vista, so I never use it.
    I like XP as it is pretty much bullet proof. I did give up downloading the upgrades just before it was dropped. It does present some problems in that a few applications will no longer recognise XP.

    Also have a desktop running Puppy Linux.. It's ok, but it lacks a lot of the facility that openSuse Leap 15.1 has.

    And numerous old 486 computers with a whole variety of OS on them. Plus lots of early 8 bit computers.

    Yes, I once collected them. Now need to get rid of many.
     
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  10. nivek

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    Yeah I've got some older computers too going back to the 486, mine are disassembled parts stored in bins with all the software to run them...I don't know why I still keep some of that stuff but I'm not inclined to get rid of it anytime soon...I just want to hang on to that equipment for the time being...

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  11. HAL9000

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    It's hard getting rid of any machines that still work. The 486s can run Linux.
    But for most modern applications they are obsolete.
    Ao I will have to let some of them go.
    First the Apple II.
    Then the TRS-80 Model 16. This has a power supply fault. Turned it on one day and there was a loud 'crack' accompanied by the magic smoke. Sounds like capacitor(s) trouble.
     
  12. wwkirk

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    My main reason for holding to old computers is my inefficiency in transferring files. Just recently I transferred a bunch of files, mostly mp3s from a laptop I hadn't used since around 2013.
     
  13. HAL9000

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    Is it better to hold your data on CD or data sticks ?
    Better to keep half a dozen small(ish) hard drives or gamble on one big drive.

    Solid State Drives are, apparently no better than good conventional drives for storing data. Something to do with the refreshing eventually losing memory.
    What are your views ?

    p.s. Many modern computers only come with USB ports.

    Do you trust 'The Cloud' to keep your porn videos safe ?

    Hell, did I just write 'porn' Freudian slip, just noticed the woman across the road in her hot tub.

    Time for a cold shower.:)
     
  14. nivek

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    Solid state drives are better used for running the PC, as an OS drive, the C drive in Windows...When used this way they are leaps and bounds better than conventional disc type hard drive, especially in speed...I use a solid state drive for my laptop, I've noticed a big difference in performance...I also have a solid state drive I use as an entertainment drive storing all my video and audio content...The most important thing, everything important is backed up, not once but twice...In the past I've had conventional drives unexplainably fail randomly without doing anything to harm them...It doesn't happen so much anymore but to be safe I have two backups, even things like the database of this forum, two backups...I'd like to get more solid state drives, I've only began using them a couple years ago and so far no issues, but I only have two of them...

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  15. nivek

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    I would not trust cloud storage with my resume...lol

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  16. Double Nought Spy

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    I have a laptop with a fair size SSD. That thing boots in seconds. When it was new, it was freaky how fast it booted up. Now it's a bit clogged, as they all get, but it's still much faster than any other machine I have.

    I'd like to find a good Windows 98 machine, just to play Lunatic Fringe. It's a really cool little spaceship game like Asteroids but much more fun. It was part of a couple of editions of the old After Dark screensaver. I got hooked on it back when 98 was the shit. Not long after getting my first XP machine, that one crapped out and I got rid of it. I've made several attempts at getting set up to play Lunatic Fringe but I've never been able to get it to go. There have been a couple of emulations online over the years, and the last one aaaaaaaaaaaalllllllmmost worked. It was frustrating. I went so far as to put 98 on an old XP desktop some years ago. There were some workarounds necessary to get it to go, but I could never get all the way there. I could run it in "secure mode" or whatever that was, but after futzing with it for way too long, I gave up and scrapped that machine. I have the game on CD, but it won't run on anything I've tried. I first got hooked on the game when it came with a used 386 I bought. I wrecked that one trying to get on the information superhighway. Got run over by a semi truck at the end of the on ramp.
     
  17. pigfarmer

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    Never got nostalgic about old PCs but I did keep one old pbx that runs on VxWorks that I'll fire up occasionally to make a bunch of bells and lights work. I have an older Dell laptop running W10 that I use a terminal emulator on to talk to the thing. PuTTY is handy Download PuTTY - a free SSH and telnet client for Windows

    I found a screen shot online to admire when I feel all dreamy about it - much easier than firing up the Pile downstairs.

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  18. Non smoking gun

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    You can check if your PC has a TPM (Trusted Platform module) necessary for Windows 11 using the Microsoft builtin tool:
    Open a powershell as Admin and use: tpm.msc
     
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  19. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    Back in April I picked up a Dell all in one(not fond of them) with Windows 10 for a song and a dance.
    It works like new and I check it is not compatible with Windows 11 either.
    I got a secondary computer I run Windows professional 7 on with 4 different drives I will swap out occasionally to keep software up to date. No plans to get rid of it anytime soon.
    I agree Nivek, I think Windows 7 was their best version.
     
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  20. Toroid

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    So, is this a maneuver to get everyone to buy a new computer?
     

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