Would Telepathy fix everything?

[Kchoo]

If I could change the world telepathically, I think I would prefer to make everyone have a contributive, supportive, and balanced nature, with no greed, no ego to feed, no desire for conflict, just genuine good nature and honest fair willingness to do the right thing and to know what the right thing is as a collective conscious.

Wouldn’t that be nice?

Or would it?

This poll has no expiration date.

 

[spacecase0]

I see earth as some sort of huge "cage match"
take learning spirits and toss them in a place where they can't get out and it forces them to learn to get along
when a body dies, you take and recycle the spirit right back in.
at a point when it is clear one of them has figured out enough, the system is set up so they can leave then.
it all is sort of like what happens in my garden when I plant seeds, some never get above ground, but lots eventually do.

so...
I would likely not change anything here.

 

[nivek]

I would likely not change anything here.

Absolutely not, if everyone were to suddenly have some sort of self-controllable telepathy then game over, so many people in this world cannot even manage their own current feelings and thoughts, it would be the end of the species...

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[Toroid]

If I could change the world telepathically, I think I would prefer to make everyone have a contributive, supportive, and balanced nature, with no greed, no ego to feed, no desire for conflict, just genuine good nature and honest fair willingness to do the right thing and to know what the right thing is as a collective conscious.

Wouldn’t that be nice?

Or would it?

This poll has no expiration date.

There would have to be a slow introduction to the ability.

 

[Thomas R. Morrison]

If I could change the world telepathically, I think I would prefer to make everyone have a contributive, supportive, and balanced nature, with no greed, no ego to feed, no desire for conflict, just genuine good nature and honest fair willingness to do the right thing and to know what the right thing is as a collective conscious.

Wouldn’t that be nice?

Or would it?

You're not talking about telepathy (the ability to hear what others are thinking), you're talking about mind control.

Cults and religions and intelligence agencies have been doing that crap for ages, and it's only made the world a much worse, more violent, and intolerant place.

You can't change human nature; you can only warp it - and that always makes it uglier and more dangerous.

 

[Kchoo]

You're not talking about telepathy (the ability to hear what others are thinking), you're talking about mind control.

Cults and religions and intelligence agencies have been doing that crap for ages, and it's only made the world a much worse, more violent, and intolerant place.

You can't change human nature; you can only warp it - and that always makes it uglier and more dangerous.

I was thinking that mind control would not be necessary if everybody could share a collective consciousness...

But maybe stronger minds would dominate, and similar things would occur...

 

[Thomas R. Morrison]

I was thinking that mind control would not be necessary if everybody could share a collective consciousness...

But maybe stronger minds would dominate, and similar things would occur...

This sounds like mind control: "If I could change the world telepathically, I think I would prefer to make everyone have a contributive, supportive, and balanced nature"

The scary thing is - this can actually be done to a limited extent: it's possible to mentally overpower someone to make them do what you want. But it's a terrible thing to do to somebody; I can't think of a more egregious violation over another person's right to autonomy.

But even if you simply meant "a shared consciousness," then nivek is correct: the current state of human consciousness is basically a state of insanity. The things that drift through people's minds all day long are deeply shocking and disturbing - we're not ready to face that. In fact that's the single greatest barrier to meditation: the howling cacophony of madness that roils in the human mind all day long. We get through the day by ignoring that stuff, and being grateful that nobody else can hear it.

If you could hear what goes on in people's minds all day long as you pass people on the street, or in the shopping market, or at work, you'd probably either vomit or try to kill them to put them out of their misery. But the same madness is roiling in your head too, whether you're aware of it or not - almost nobody is immune to it, and the few who are, are enlightened gurus living in mental silence.

I'm grateful that humans aren't telepathic - civilization would instantly collapse and mayhem would break out all over the globe if we could all hear what others were thinking. Thank god for the mercy of psychological privacy. The world would be a raging bloodbath without it.

 

[pepe]

It would be the end of us.

Stay out of my head as to nearly all it serves as sanctuary. Violate that space and we would find out what we really are like. Acting would be null and void and our pretence would have its view pulled back, low and behold we would have to admit where our limits are and society would crumble.

The subconscious biases would have us on our knees.

The pretenders are dung a fine job.

 

[Kchoo]

If I could change the world telepathically, I think I would prefer to make everyone have a contributive, supportive, and balanced nature"

Yes, it does sound twisted that way... I probably shouldnt have said that, since the real point of the thread is to explore thoughts about the benefits or detractors of telepathy...

I biased it, and that was my bad...

I suppose I imagined a scenario of a possible benefit with telepathy fixing things... but I do not know that it would.

However, I would like to think that people could learn to manage and adapt to telepathy, and use it in a constructive, rational way.

Could we learn to be a rational telepathic society? I don't know...

One thing is certain- if people hold onto the autonomy of the mind for fear of sharing and recieving too much noise, then we may never accept growth toward a telepathic mind.

We reject it before we even give it a chance.

With that mindset, I doubt society will become telepathic... and I wonder if that could also be our downfall?

 

[Kchoo]

It would be the end of us.

Stay out of my head as to nearly all it serves as sanctuary. Violate that space and we would find out what we really are like. Acting would be null and void and our pretence would have its view pulled back, low and behold we would have to admit where our limits are and society would crumble.

The subconscious biases would have us on our knees.

The pretenders are dung a fine job.

You are exactly correct, but are you also ignoring that we might be forced to evolve faster and through collective understanding?

Maybe these trapped, twisty, private things would no longer need plaugue our minds?

Could the very ideal of individualism be the root cause of many of the problems in our world today?

Could telepathy help us become more well balanced and forgiving, since we all coukd then understand that everyone sufferee more from isolated mindset than they do a collective one?

I dont know... But it is fun to think about.

 

[pepe]

You are exactly correct, but are you also ignoring that we might be forced to evolve faster and through collective understanding?

Maybe these trapped, twisty, private things would no longer need plaugue our minds?

Could the very ideal of individualism be the root cause of many of the problems in our world today?

Could telepathy help us become more well balanced and forgiving, since we all coukd then understand that everyone sufferee more from isolated mindset than they do a collective one?

I dont know... But it is fun to think about.

Individualism is one of the keys to nature's success. Assimilation to a Borg like condition no matter the directive would have the same result. A sense of dictation that would create opposition and could bring the thought bombers out.

Even the want to have only certain behaviours regardless of intent I see as ethical cleansing and would bring on a sickness the same we see in ethnicity. Bad news.

Equality is an ideal and not a reality.

Our natural balance is found from having both the worst and best of everything and should be respected as our vehicle to success.

Our mission would fail.

 

[nivek]

However, I would like to think that people could learn to manage and adapt to telepathy, and use it in a constructive, rational way.

Many people cannot even manage their own simple feelings, some need and use medication for such management, I seriously doubt such people would adapt to manage something more complex and engaging...

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[pepe]

Many people cannot even manage their own simple feelings, some need and use medication for such management, I seriously doubt such people would adapt to manage something more complex and engaging...

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And then there will be those who are born for it.

Just imagine the telepathy crime and the force to counter it.

The head honchos.

 

[nivek]

And then there will be those who are born for it.

Just imagine the telepathy crime and the force to counter it.

The head honchos.

Yes some born with it, some develop it, whilst others are walking dead...

How many thought police would the world need?...

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[pigfarmer]

We would sit paralyzed in a voyeuristic trance.

I don't think human nature is ugly. It is what it is.

I agree we can't change it - because if we do we'd wind up being less human. Like suddenly gaining the power telepathy.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and opinions about our nature change with the times and observers.

 

[nivek]

I don't think human nature is ugly.

I agree, but as with anything in nature, there are exceptions and exceptionals, hitting both extremes, but that is a small percentage of the whole...Perhaps if people were more empathic then things would mesh a bit better, wait, on second thought, maybe that wouldn't be such a good idea either...

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[spacecase0]

I think the best way to help most people is to teach spiritual tools,
start with the quieting exercises (Zen Buddhism), and then go to more advanced things from there,
it could do lots of good in this world,
to bad most people just don't care about any form of self improvement much less trying to help everyone around them.

 

[Thomas R. Morrison]

Yes, it does sound twisted that way... I probably shouldnt have said that, since the real point of the thread is to explore thoughts about the benefits or detractors of telepathy...

I biased it, and that was my bad...

I suppose I imagined a scenario of a possible benefit with telepathy fixing things... but I do not know that it would.

However, I would like to think that people could learn to manage and adapt to telepathy, and use it in a constructive, rational way.

Could we learn to be a rational telepathic society? I don't know...

One thing is certain- if people hold onto the autonomy of the mind for fear of sharing and recieving too much noise, then we may never accept growth toward a telepathic mind.

We reject it before we even give it a chance.

With that mindset, I doubt society will become telepathic... and I wonder if that could also be our downfall?

The single most prevalent theme in contact reports is telepathic communication, so it would appear that if any of those cases are true, then telepathy is a feature of most if not all of the more advanced civilizations out there.

That raises and interesting question about the practical application of telepathy: is it like verbal communication where you can consciously choose what to send to others, or is it by nature an all-or-nothing proposition? If it's the former, then telepathy would seem to be a modest advancement over verbal communication, because people could send and receive visual imagery in addition to words and probably even feelings, directly to others. I don't know what the transmission fidelity would be like, but if it could be essentially perfect, then imagine how things might change in the world if we could have the personal experiences of others transmitted through a few people to reach us from halfway around the world. We could experience for ourselves, for example, the horrors that our nation routinely inflicts on others in distant nations.

But if telepathy is an all-or-nothing proposition, then that could handily explain why alien beings generally avoid contact with us, because the average human mind is an insane asylum. Nearly every one of us has flashes of imagery involving our worst fears, and savagely violent impulses, and base animal impulses, flickering through our thoughts at random moments of the day - witnessing that from the outside would be a jarring and deeply unpleasant experience; worse than listening to the mad ravings of a complete schizophrenic.

That's the "normal" state of human consciousness all around the globe today. It's a kind of half-awake condition, where our thoughts are basically a loosely guided series of dream fragments. We have just enough control over the process to function in our daily lives.

But the great avatars of history were in a fully awakened state, which is accessible to pretty much everyone, but nobody bothers to look into. In the fully awakened state, there is no mad chatter and chaos in the mind: the mind remains silent until called upon to formulate a sentence, or to visualize a solution to a problem, or whatever is needed - it's a tool that's used deliberately, rather than a broken dream machine spewing random thoughts and memories and fears and desires out endlessly all day long.

I suspect that our visitors may well be in that awakened state of consciousness, which only our avatars and aspiring mystics have known first-hand. And if that's true, then telepathy would be an entirely different experience between them - as it would be for us, if most of us were fully awake.

 

[nivek]

I suspect that our visitors may well be in that awakened state of consciousness, which only our avatars and aspiring mystics have known first-hand. And if that's true, then telepathy would be an entirely different experience between them - as it would be for us, if most of us were fully awake.

I think it could be possible that a very high intelligence could develop or evolve with the ability of telepathy without necessarily being fully awake consciously on a spiritual level...There could be some very old species existing in the universe that live an exceptionally long life with a highly evolved intellect but completely grounded to this physical life, spiritually immature but who evolved and developed telepathy to a high degree matching their intellect...

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[Thomas R. Morrison]

I think it could be possible that a very high intelligence could develop or evolve with the ability of telepathy without necessarily being fully awake consciously on a spiritual level...

It may be possible to become truly telepathic without fully awakening. But I would assume that if that should happen, that would be the end of that species: in the course of a single conversation most people have thoughts that would inspire a violent reaction from the other participant at least a few times.

I have a real problem with assigning the word "spiritual" to a state of human consciousness. When we wake up each morning, we don't call that a spiritual experience: we were simply sleeping, and then we woke up (sorta). Waking up from the dream of thought is no different; it's simply a change in the state of mind - you were half-asleep in the half-waking/thinking state, and then you woke up from the dream of thought. It troubles me when we assign religious terms to this - it's perfectly natural, like being born.

In any case, I hope that telepathy only happens after full awakening - because that's a whole other ballgame. And I think it makes sense: if the mind is completely still, then I think it's probably in the ideal state to pick up on the thoughts of others. Perhaps we can't hear one another's thoughts, because the raving madhouse of our own thoughts drowns them out.