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Flat Earthers Now Think The Earth Is Shaped Like A Doughnut - Physics And Astronomy Zone
Flat Earth Fans Convene in New Zealand
By Tim Binnall
Fans of the infamous Flat Earth Theory gathered together over the weekend for a convention in, of all places, New Zealand. Similar to UFO symposiums and Bigfoot confabs, the Auckland-based Flat Earth NZ Expo featured a number of prominent figures in the field as well as attendees from around the 'questionably-shaped' world who are advocates for the controversial conspiracy theory. Although specific attendance figures for the event are unavailable, Oskar Howell, a reporter who covered the event on site, described the venue was "filled with people," which suggests that, like it's predecessors in North America and England, the convention was a rousing success.
Noting to one media outlet that "ninety percent of our membership is in the closet," with regards to their Flat Earth fandom, researcher Mark Sargent credited the Expo as being a place where adherents to the conspiracy theory can speak freely about the much-maligned concept. However, Howell offered the intriguing and somewhat contrasting observation that, as an outsider, he sensed a "tense, almost hostile" atmosphere in which attendees seemingly didn't quite trust each other for fear that they were still being judged for their beliefs despite the decidedly pro-Flat Earth environment. One hopes that these misgivings largely melted away as attendees spent more time together and realized that they were, indeed, among 'fellow travelers.'
While New Zealand may sound like a far-flung location for a Flat Earth event, the country actually appears to have quite the burgeoning community of supporters for the theory. A Facebook group attached to the Expo has nearly 2,000 members and, back in 2017, one particularly enthusiastic advocate for the idea went so far to place a 'Research Flat Earth' sign beside a popular beach. And, perhaps spurred on by the successful event this past weekend, convention organizer Adrienne Morrison revealed that New Zealanders who support the Flat Earth theory hope to get a meeting with the country's Education Minister in an attempt to get the conspiracy theory included in school curriculums.
And we wonder why extraterrestrial aliens won't start a dialogue with earthlings.
To me, Flat earthers are like stubborn children they defy authority because they know already that the educated are the authority on this subject, I honestly feel they get a kick out of picking the educated persons ribs a bit to get a rise out us. If Truly someone literally believed the earth to be flat, I don't think I'd be able to hold a serious conversation about science with them.
It would almost be awkward.
If the earth is flat, why don't the flat-earthers go to the edge and take photos?
If the earth was flat, High tide and low tide wouldn't make sense, Satellites wouldn't work, They would have to be maintained differently. because the GPS on satellites uses time dilation for a Globe. GPS simply wouldn't work on something that is flat, Gravity would be all out of whack, The moon would have an elapsed orbit rather than be tidally locked as it is. and all of this science as irrefutable as it all is, is not to even mention if the earth is flat, Why is every other planet we have ever observed, Round?
I mean, There is so much to go into about how Flat earth theory really is more trolling than anything else really.
In 8th grade my history teacher thought the earth was flat, and she also said we evolved from fish, the salamander she said.
You're trying to tell me we're NOT evolved from fish?
This is the best example i think ive seen.
Mike West talking with a Flat Earther...
Anybody who has done sailing doesn't believe in "Flat Erf".
Excuse my English, it is a second language.
I used to believe flat earther's didn't exist. That was until a friend of several years told me about her new found beliefs, upon returning from a music festival where she tried the drug MDMA for the first time. She was otherwise very straight edge, wouldn't touch a joint, soft spoken, quite intelligent, well versed and insightful. Yet one day seemingly out of nowhere, she decided that not only is the earth flat, it also resides inside a huge glass dome, everything in the sky is a projection, and that this is all stated clearly in the bible. She also became a strongly devout christian, began touring churches around the world with other like minded people. Furthermore, she believes all science is a hoax, Nasa is all fake, and that prayer can quite literally, not figuratively, not help along in the aid of, but literally cure any and all ailments – or you simply hadn't prayed or believed enough.
Since she lives in another country, I invited her for a weekend long stay at my place to catch up on old times and have a chat about life, the universe, jazz and all that.
Over the course of 3 days, we discussed for endless hours each of our view points and just hear each other out. I was completely flabbergasted by her total disregard of the simplest logic like how things will form a sphere in space, essentials of gravity, that a flat earth would simply crumble, that satellites would have found otherwise, or even that we can prove the earth is a sphere with simple math, a yard stick and sunlight, and that this was done thousands of years ago and continues to be proven over and over and over again. I presented her with one mathematical proof after another, one logical argument after another, scientific proof and papers detailing how technology works and how millions of people's individual discoveries and collaborations throughout recorded history has lead to where things are now. Yet, no, science isn't real, but "by the way, it has been scientifically proven that the earth is flat" - quote, my friend.
The total lack of logic and complete confidence without comprehension is just breathtaking. It really just defies all common sense when you go over it with one of these individuals. There is much more I could tell about that weekend but suffice to say, flat earthers do indeed exist. They make no sense at all, but they do exist.
The flat earthers purchased a billboard in the hopes of gaining new believers of their distorted view of reality...
Also met an anti-vaxxer in England a few years ago. Not quite as well versed or thought out in her arguments, but same complete lack of logic when going over simple, irrefutable facts. You could seriously present this person with a tea kettle and they would insist it's a donkey. Met her son and her boyfriend too. All very nice people, I enjoyed their company and she made some wonderful ganja cupcakes. They were just seeing a different version of events, but also spewing their "knowledge" as if it were gospel.
My thinking on all this is that throughout history, people have always clung to false beliefs, small and big.
"My neighbour is probably a dirty no good criminal." No, he's just a kid going through rough times.
"That woman is a witch!" No, she just has a funny laugh.
"I saw someone twitch and scream uncontrollably, surely they are possessed by the devil!" No, it's a viral infection.
"The sun is being eaten by a sky demon!!!" No it's an eclipse.
Yet, in spite of humanity eventually catching up to facts and the knowledge spreading far and wide, it can and indeed will take hundreds or thousands of years for even simple concepts to permeate throughout the entirety of humanity. We all most likely still believe some thing or another to be true, while it just isn't.
I’m not sure why any sane person would try to debate the Flat Earthers.
If you present photographic evidence or logical talk, the believers will state all the real evidence has been manipulated.
Indeed everything was merely a manipulation or computer generated according to her. How a person can say science isn't real yet claim computers were used to fake something, is beyond me.
I knew from the get go I probably wouldn't get anywhere with it, but I was curious to hear all of the arguments and thoughts behind it from a friendly perspective. Her and I have always been on good terms and I knew we wouldn't get mad at each other or have a falling out of any kind, so I wanted to see what would happen. Which was pretty much exactly what one would expect.
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