You know something Mr Morrison, I find your replies extremely rude and offensive.
Especially how you insinuate that I know nothing about gravitation.
I didn’t insinuate that; I stated it flatly: your own words demonstrate clearly that you know nothing about gravitation. In fact the only thing that you’ve gotten correct on this subject is the rate of gravitational acceleration, and most high school kids know that.
I spent years at university having gained the highest qualifications at degree level and you do not discus your points, but merely try and denounce others who have already proven their worth as to substantiate your own theories.
No I definitely discuss my point, and provide reputable citations to back them up.
You don’t seem to get how this works George - this is an online discussion forum: here you’re expected to demonstrate your worth by the value of your own words and the validity of your logic. You’ve totally failed to do that.
The beauty of an online chat forum is that it’s purely democratic – nobody cares how much money you have or how many degrees you have or what family you were born to or what you do for a living: here we all start off on equal footing and the value of your mind is all that matters. If a plumber makes a better argument than a theoretical physicist, then he wins respect. And if an engineer makes demonstrably false statements about something like gravitation, and then professes that his “authority” makes him above error, then people laugh.
The correct method is to discus/explain or ignore a post not denounce a person' reputability
You might be a great engineer; I have no idea. But you know virtually nothing about gravitation, and you clearly know absolutely nothing about the now well-established and rapidly evolving theoretical physics of gravitational field propulsion. You’ve demonstrated that, with your own words. I simply made note of it.
And as a result of pointing out that simple fact, you’ve spent three days attacking me personally and braying like a mortally wounded jackass simply because some guy on the internet knows more about one highly specialized subject than you do.
Gtf over yourself already. You’ve derailed this entire thread, and discarded highly credible sources in the area of theoretical physics, apparently because it doesn’t support your ludicrous notion that UFOs are spiritual manifestations of some kind.
As an engineer, you should be thrilled to learn that there’s a viable engineering solution to the subject of UFO physicality and performance capabilities. Instead you’ve bitched and moaned relentlessly that somebody pointed out your ignorance of a single advanced topic in the field of theoretical physics. Your level of conceit rises to that of psychopathology. If you had even a modicum of humility, you could’ve learned something here, rather than prattling on endlessly about your bloated and bruised ego. That’s on you, not me.
I assure you, that I had studied gravitation, Laplace, differentiation , integration and up Level III at high standard mathematics up to MSc level in engineering. My qualifications are here on this forum.
Your qualifications aren’t worth a bag of shit if you’re wrong. Maybe you did study general relativity (though I doubt it) – but if you did, you didn’t understand it. Anyone with an introductory course under their belt on the subject would know that in GR, gravity is an acceleration field, not a force – and most high school kids can tell you that there’s no “above the earth’s pull” as you've stated here, because the range of gravity is infinite:
A spacecraft above the earth's pull has NO GRAVITY
And here you’re making a logical fallacy known as "an appeal to false authority”:
I had attended 3 years at Demontfort University, One year at Trent University whilst gaining computers skills in C&G \HND and practical engineering 228 advanced.
Computer and engineering studies don't make you an authority on GR. In fact I doubt that you've ever studied the subject at all, because its most fundamental concepts elude you.
I had learnt everything about propulsion systems, materials and even Einstein's relativity and beyond.
I assume you that you've studied the special theory of relativity, like most college students. But if you've ever studied GR then you've forgotten absolutely everything about it.
What makes it insulting, is that you come along from nowhere and insult me!
I pointed out that you don't know anything about gravitation, which is true, because it's evident from your own statements on the subject. So that's not an insult; it's a fact. So you're carrying on like a petulant infant because I dared to state an obvious fact.
What the heck gives you the right to rattle on about a subject of hypothetical values and extreme mind boggling thoughts and treat others as idiots who challenge your authority???
Unlike you, George, I claim no authority. I simply convey what I've learned, and provide the citations to support the facts that I share with others so they can follow up on their own.
I am hearing:- "Clear evidence...blah..blah" Do you not have thoughts of your own and debate what YOU think instead of condemning others on what is clear to you?
When, before this response, did I condemn anyone? Pointing out a factually incorrect statement is not "condemnation." It only seems like that if somebody lacks the humility to accept when they're wrong about something - which appears to be a
major problem for you.
I was simply pointing out the very obvious fact that UFOs/AAVs aren't reaction propulsion devices like rockets or airplanes. They emit no flaming trail of plasma when they accelerate, and they've passed right over people's heads without making a sound or producing any downward air flow. So they're not using the reaction propulsion principle that we use (and that makes sense, because reaction propulsion is unsuitable for reasonably rapid interstellar spaceflight). This has been a defining feature of the phenomenon for decades. There's only one theoretically viable explanation for this - they're gravitational field propulsion devices. Because that's the only form of reactionless propulsion known to mankind.
The theoretical physics of gravitational field propulsion also neatly explains how a craft can execute acute-angle trajectories at thousands of miles per hour without disintegrating mid-air, and how these craft can arrive from distant star systems in arbitrarily short time frames. You would've known all of this already if you'd set aside your bloated ego for ten minutes to read the Alcubierre paper that I provided earlier, twice.
What YouTube says....
Who cares a sod?
I've never offered a YouTube video as a citation; you must be hallucinating. I've provided a published peer-reviewed paper on the subject of gravitational field propulsion, and a link to a Cornell University description of general relativity that explains how gravity is an acceleration field and not a force as you've wrongly insisted.
Have you got no points of your own which is not cut in stone, that you can discus, except challenging others to believe in what you believe?
You rattle on like a dictionary...years of reading from books, YouTube and so on.
I still haven't cited a YouTube link. Don't forget to take your pills George.
I make lots of points of my own. And I back them up with reputable academic citations. As somebody who worships his engineering degree, I thought you'd appreciate the value of academic citations. Make up your mind.
I would normally be happy to discus some of your points...but the more I read about you, the greater disrespect I have and what the 'powers that be had said'
You mean "academic citations?" But I thought you claimed to be an "authority" because you have an engineering degree. So which is it - is academic knowledge valuable, or meaningless? I can't tell with you; you're contradicting yourself.
No doubt I am gonna get told off for this...and I say this without being egoistic...so here I end my discussion with you.
You are just beginning to annoy me and the few choice words that I may be thinking, I would rather just walk away from your debate.
Yeah but instead of debating a single one of the points I've raised, all you did was bitch and moan because I didn't "respect your authority." That's too bad, this is an interesting subject. But you've turned it into an ego pride fest.
I don't see what is so funny 'nivek'?
I always stick up for myself and I do not like bullies....
I pointed out the fact that you know nothing about the theoretical physics of gravitation. Which is true. And for that I'm a "bully?" Get over yourself George - nobody's an expert at
everything. Christ.
I like a bit of respect and it is called 'one's hard earned pride' not ego.
No this is definitely ego you're spouting off about. You can deny it until you're blue in the face, but nobody gets this butt-hurt unless they have an ego the size of the Chrysler building.
We work hard for what we achieve and no one has the right to destroy another person's self esteem and persona.
If you think that pointing out that there's one highly specialized area of theoretical physics that you know nothing about has
destroyed your self-esteem and persona, then you're way too fucking fragile dude. Man up.
Without being personal to the gentleman, I used to come across this rabble many years ago.
Yeah that's not personal, calling somebody "rabble." Screw you too, George.
It often consist of hollow none viable self opinionated junk that is available on YouTube.
Man, you're obsessed with YouTube. I've never cited a YouTube clip. And I can't tell if you really are deluded about it, or if you're just lying. Neither possibility speaks highly of you though.
There is no logic as they take valid understandable points to captivate audiences and then pile it with a load of self appointed junk..hoping others will not understand.
Uhm, no - I speak very clearly and I'm pretty sure that everyone here has understood everything I've said. And if not, I've provided citations so they can look stuff up on their own.
It is called Directive Manipulation.
I just
looked up "Directive Manipulation" on Google, and it' not actually a thing. So you're just making shit up.
I have got passed the stage that I need training.
So you've stopped learning altogether, then. That's just sad.
Well I assume this applies to you as well 'nivek'?
Or do we have different rules on who's who?
Yeah we have different rules for different people. Nivek never pouts and whines when somebody points out something new to him, so he gets treated with respect. You can't bear the thought of a person online knowing something about a subject that you don't, so people laugh. See how that works?
I respect myself and if that be negativity...so be it.
The term is 'laughing with you'...not laughing at you.
Those who can't laugh at themselves are condemned to have others do it for them. I should probably copyright that.
Anyone can read a book. People should learn to think for themselves. Hearing some rabble on YouTube is not really constructive debate.
What is that, like the fourth time you've falsely stated that I've cited YouTube when that never in fact happened? See, if you'd bothered to actually click on the links I provided, you might've avoided this embarrassment.
To be told that I am ignorant and know nothing about gravitation is a direct insult towards both the education system and myself.
No dude,
your own statements proved to me that you know nothing about gravitation, so that's just a fact. If you have a problem with it, then that's your problem. Reality isn't obligated to kiss your ass, and neither am I.
Ia m not sure what job you are in, but I am pretty sure if someone degraded your authority that you would also feel insulted.
You're not an "authority" here George. If you talk rubbish abut something you don't understand and somebody calls you out on it, you have to live with it. And ideally, learn something new.
You own a forum and I am also convinced that if someone here degraded YOUR status and laughed at YOU, then they would not be here long
Nivek would never freak out if somebody typed three letters "lol" in his direction. It's called "confidence" - look it up.
We all command respect and when we are degraded, we not only lose our respect, but lose our 'voice' and become a laugh for others.
When you don't know what you're talking about and then you freak out when somebody notices -
they haven't degraded you -
you have.
Having a cool head is what I have.
I bet I can change that with three letters: lol.
There are very people I will allow write to me in this way...and Mr Morrison comes nowhere near.
It is called 'self respect'
Not ego or self esteem but RESPECT.
No, that's called
conceit.
Respect is something that you earn.
The topic is indeed nuts and bolts or spiritual UFOs and does not include personal member attacks.It is my views that are debated...not ME!
You made this thread all about you, for the last
three days.
Anyway, UFOs are not "spiritual" in the sense of "paranormal." They appear to the eye, and they reflect radar, so they're physical. That should be obvious but some people struggle with it, which is unfortunate.
Without going on about the matter in question, I am quite prepared to discuss my theorise but I do not like to be insulted . I know that I have turned out to be the 'bad guy' as often happens when a person refuses top be bullied and sticks up for themselves.
I simply pointed out that you didn't know what you were talking about, and then proved it, and you interpret this as "being bullied," hmm. I wonder how many thousands of words of whining one has to do before it's considered to be abuse.
There is a correct and wrong way to have a conversation, and one way is not to intimidate a person because his views are in opposition.
If you find the facts that I state to be intimidating, then you should forge a more meaningful relationship with the truth. Just sayin'.
The reason I say this is because Mr Morrison does not tackle a person's points on his own thinking alone, but instead destroys something that that person had worked hard for and had gained outstanding recognition.
Recognition in what, engineering? Wtf does that have to do with theoretical physics? Nothing. Your indignation over this is comical and totally absurd.
It goes beyond opinion because it is certified by LAW as correct through an examining board, lecturers and moderators.
Are you still bragging about your irrelevant engineering degree again. Dude - that doesn't make you an expert on general relativity. I doubt that GR is even a required course for an engineer. It's not like going for a physics degree.
If I was to give my reasons for thinking this way, I would say that I base it on my own experience as being number one priority.
That's not a scientific standard. A personal experience is subject to interpretation - even incorrect interpretation. An empirical standard is therefore a much better basis to form a conclusion. Fortunately a lot of that kind of work has been done on this subject. Dejan has dozens of excellent papers and resources available.
The second reason is that I had been taught in mechanical science that nothing material can withstand forces thaat are indicated when people see UFOs.
Especially sudden right angled turns.
Bingo: mechanics is based on Newtonian physics, not general relativity. Newtonian mechanics can't explain UFO/AAV performance characteristics, but general relativity can explain it perfectly. That was my entire point from the beginning.
When someone laughs at the distress of others, whether it is personal or broad like...it is offensive.
Sure but when somebody's so full of themselves that they get hysterical for being proven wrong about something, that's kinda funny.
That man is just a bit of indigestion (personally)...nothing more as far as I am/was concerned
You know what's funny? I hadn't insulted you when you wrote this; I had simply stated facts. But I'm kinda glad that you started insulting me over it, because now I don't have to use kid gloves on you anymore.
Hello spacecase0,
Let us forget about the gentleman in question...and about his attitude...
You being wrong isn't a problem with my attitude.
The main points in question, is that I speak from experience . Mr Morrison does not have a point of view...but perhaps his YouTube and books may have?
I have a point of view based on peer-reviewed and published academic theoretical physics papers and seven decades of credible observations. That's how empirical reasoning works. If you don't believe me look it up. Don't they teach you this kind of stuff in engineering school? Just wondering.
And I still haven't cited a YouTube video btw.
I had always understood the philosophy that members are here to exchange ideas. What seems to be happening nowadays is that members watch all these geek videos on YouTube and ram it down the throat of others.
Man - you're obsessed with YouTube videos. Still haven't cited one, G.
This is not seeking their opinion but some geek who had a little bit of knowledge, captivated his audience and then comes up with a load of crap by baffling with science.
No, science actually conveys understanding. Superstition, on the other had - that's a different issue. You're the one arguing for superstition, btw.
You make a point about UFOs being 'nut's and bolts' but throughout my life, I had never come across this. It does not mean that I am incorrect..merely that I find it not possible based on my mechanical learning.
But it's perfectly sensible within the context of general relativity. And this has been known within academic circles for 25 years now.
It is a simple rule of mechanics, that no physical object can withstand the stress of right angled manoeuvres in our atmosphere. It has nothing to do with 'free-fall' as we are not talking about inside a craft, but OUTSIDE .
Okay I'm honestly trying not to laugh again, because I know how upsetting that is for you. Instead of ignoring the physics, try reading this paper about it - it explains it perfectly:
"
The warp drive: hyper-fast travel within general relativity," Alcubierre, 1994
Fair warning though - you may be the last person on Earth to find out about this paper.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed and merely transfers from one state to another. There has to be some physical structure with UFOs to a degree otherwise they could not interact with our atmosphere. The only way they could appear is by reducing their mass to around 99.9%
Heck..it is common sense if nothing else.
It's in the paper. If you read it you'll understand how it works.
It takes energy to accelerate a body, like a rocket,
through spacetime. Alcubierre showed that it's possible to place the craft at rest on a flat region of spacetime, and then
distort the spacetime around the craft to produce motion. Technically, the craft isn't moving at all
with respect to its own local reference frame. So it experiences no g-forces. Therefore it can perform zigzag maneuvers at thousands of miles per hour, and even more impressively - a craft employing this propulsion principle has no upper speed limit...not even the speed of light. That's gravitational field propulsion. It's how UFOs/AAVs work.
People are under the impression that UFOs are something from Buck Rogers. That we are the masters of the universe and everything has to fit into our thinking and we work around science to fit our ideas.
Their points are often 'hollow'with no maths but everything to defy the natural laws of our science as to adapt to some geek's visualisation of what they want to believe.
No, it's called "the Alcubierre metric." It's described by this differential geometry equation which is fully consistent with the general theory of relativity:
I got good grades in my science because I talked sense. Not only that, but I was able to prove using analytical maths including Einstein's laws of physics.
Good. Then you should appreciate the significance of that equation.
All I am reading is about what some geek had said and done and disappeared into oblivion having made a few quid on YouTube.
There you go with your YouTube fixation again. What is that, nine or ten YouTube references now?
You see.....with respect 'nivek' you know about forums but not enough about people.
You do not know the difference between a person believing in themselves and an ego.
No I'm sure that nivek knows the difference; he's actually an excellent judge of character. You should try learning from him rather than scolding him.
I am Greek Cypriot, German and Polish and this is a lethal combination of power and pride.
And boundless ego, evidently.
UFOs use me because of my extraordinary ability. I can do anything I wish. Write poetry when I know nothing about poetry because I am gifted!
Anyone can write poetry. Only gifted people can write
good poetry.
They also train and watch me...but of course you believe nothing of that do you?
You're saying that aliens train and watch you? Are you sure they don't have something better to do with their time?
You see my posts how I can turn a storm by the powers of UFOs and you deny your own eyes in favour of what you want to believe.
I can burn a hole into your monitor from thousands of miles away through thought alone.
You really just said that. Wow, lol.