Skinny Bob... Was It Real After all?

1963

Noble
Hi guys, .... Can you believe that this guy's four short videos have been nowhere near debunked after more than a dozen years? ... https://www.youtube.com/@ivan0135

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Just like most folk on the paranormal forums , when these 'unfeasibly good' videos first cropped up on the net... I immediately expounded the virtues of caution in this genre... i.e I praised the quality of production but also spouted the maxim of " if it looks too good to be true... then it more than likely is too good to be true!' ... thus writing the whole thing off as almost certainly a 'brilliant fake', and fully expected that it was only going to be a matter of a short wait until my initial conclusion would be proved correct by either 'some clever technical debunker' or a timely confession from the real Ivan135 explaining his reason for the clever deception.
... but here we are over twelve years later and quite frankly... no wiser at all as to disproving the legitimacy of these videos, and no closer to knowing anything at all about Ivan135 him/herself!
And though we have all been privy to countless other 'efforts' that come nowhere near to the same quality even though technical advances are known to be on a exponential march forward relentlessly , and so I would have thought that we would be witnessing even better videos year on year to the point that this 2011 series should now seem pretty passe' [old fashioned] by comparison to it's 12 years worth of descendants .... but no! ... I've yet to see one that can come close. ... never mind overshadow them!
... And though i've often thought about 'the Skinny Bob' video and indeed keep going back for another look [just in case i'd missed an easy tell the other million times that i'd looked at them] , and generally kept my ear to the ground for news of Ivan's unmasking etc, I can generally say that like so many other seemingly dead ends [that all you can do is play the waiting game for] nothing of interest as surfaced. ... but then that just goes to show the absolute weakness of my own researching skills because it has taken me 12 years to find this brilliant subsection of the famous forum site Reddit that is peopled with seemingly intelligent honest posters dedicated to this very subject. :) .... and I strongly advise anyone that is at all remotely interested in the subject of the ETH to absorb this fascinating summary of this whole brilliant saga... that might just turn out to be the smoking gun that we all crave and has been right under our noses for more than a dozen years.
what do you guys think.... is it real????

Cheers.


 

michael59

Celestial
Well, you all know my opinion. I have seen that face up close and personal many times. The ones that haunted me since childhood look exactly like that. I can even recall asking what you thought of them as well a few years back, 1963 because they still looked exactly the same right down to the outfits when I saw them in my mid forties.

Thanks for the link. I will definitely check it out. :)
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Damned cool. But in one full frontal pic I suddenly saw a young girl in an outfit. Shape of the hips, torso, something. It looks like the hands are pull-ons of some sort that go up to the elbow.
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The shadow

The shadow knows!
This footage has no paper trail. It just appeared out of nowhere in 2011. No providence at all. Do we have an origin for it? Sadly I don't think so.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Hi guys, .... Can you believe that this guy's four short videos have been nowhere near debunked after more than a dozen years? ... https://www.youtube.com/@ivan0135

OIP.YW2UKTLmshoL1EFGbIcSsAHaEJ


Just like most folk on the paranormal forums , when these 'unfeasibly good' videos first cropped up on the net... I immediately expounded the virtues of caution in this genre... i.e I praised the quality of production but also spouted the maxim of " if it looks too good to be true... then it more than likely is too good to be true!' ... thus writing the whole thing off as almost certainly a 'brilliant fake', and fully expected that it was only going to be a matter of a short wait until my initial conclusion would be proved correct by either 'some clever technical debunker' or a timely confession from the real Ivan135 explaining his reason for the clever deception.
... but here we are over twelve years later and quite frankly... no wiser at all as to disproving the legitimacy of these videos, and no closer to knowing anything at all about Ivan135 him/herself!
And though we have all been privy to countless other 'efforts' that come nowhere near to the same quality even though technical advances are known to be on a exponential march forward relentlessly , and so I would have thought that we would be witnessing even better videos year on year to the point that this 2011 series should now seem pretty passe' [old fashioned] by comparison to it's 12 years worth of descendants .... but no! ... I've yet to see one that can come close. ... never mind overshadow them!
... And though i've often thought about 'the Skinny Bob' video and indeed keep going back for another look [just in case i'd missed an easy tell the other million times that i'd looked at them] , and generally kept my ear to the ground for news of Ivan's unmasking etc, I can generally say that like so many other seemingly dead ends [that all you can do is play the waiting game for] nothing of interest as surfaced. ... but then that just goes to show the absolute weakness of my own researching skills because it has taken me 12 years to find this brilliant subsection of the famous forum site Reddit that is peopled with seemingly intelligent honest posters dedicated to this very subject. :) .... and I strongly advise anyone that is at all remotely interested in the subject of the ETH to absorb this fascinating summary of this whole brilliant saga... that might just turn out to be the smoking gun that we all crave and has been right under our noses for more than a dozen years.
what do you guys think.... is it real????

Cheers.



Hello 1963, hope you and yours are doing well...Well my friend, I think skinny Bob is the real deal, one in a million, I get that vibe every time I watch the videos...Even the little things convince me of this, I notice how the fingers move, seems very natural to me...As you also said, the videos haven't been debunked...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
In the analysis it said the creator applied various editing, presentation etc to the images not to clarify them but to make them look more dramatic and convincing. IMO it's the poor film quality that makes it seem more realistic. In 4K it probably wouldn't.
 

1963

Noble
Damned cool. But in one full frontal pic I suddenly saw a young girl in an outfit. Shape of the hips, torso, something. It looks like the hands are pull-ons of some sort that go up to the elbow.
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Hi PF, thanks for the opinion mate. It means something when I see a full sceptic like yourself actually being open minded and not just doing the "obvious fake by proclamation of superior intelligence" bit.
... I myself have been in the 'probably-fake camp' on these videos since the beginning and have regularly espoused that though I was sure that they were a hoax, I admired the skill and craftmanship that went into producing these little gems! ... not because of the ability for a slightly-built girl or boy could be made up [expertly] to pose for 'Skinny Bob' [and his friends to a lesser extent] ... nope, I thought that they would just eventually turn out to be some next-generation CGI that had yet to be fully marketed, and as soon as this new tech was flooded on the market, that the first technerd that bought it would immediately burst the bubble.
.... But as twelve years have elapsed with no sign of exampled-revelation and the fact that there has indeed been a pretty conscientious forum [with far cleverer people than me] dedicated to getting the lowdown on these tapes , without any real negativity toward their authenticity, plus the opinions of a handful of professional tinseltown FX guys all tipping their hats to the sheer dexterity of the production, with some of them claiming that these videos would almost certainly have taken "a team of up to five or six skilled technicians with a budget of up to $500,000 to produce them over a pretty long period of time. [for what? no fame and no capitol gain??] ... well my friend, all of this has just about tipped me 'over the fence' and am now almost sure that they are "Special Videos"! ... Well the main one of Skinny Bob in the examination room anyway. . the others are of variable authenticity to my mind, ... but the one that I mentioned is just about perfect for me. Don't ask me why there should be one of four that convinces me so much more than the other three.... I suppose that the actual flying saucer just didn't feel right to me, nor the crash and autopsy scenes ... and the 'Family Day Out' clip in which there were three aliens seemingly taking a stroll on the grass just doesn't have the same quality to me. [something to do with the way they are walking reminds me too much of that "young girl in a outfit" that you opined.] ... oh! ... the hand print on the glass is ok as far as it goes, but neither here or there as regards to authentication in my limited discernment skillset.
.... But the movement, the blinking, the skin gesticulation and the general overpowering vibe of that section/clip has just about convinced me that it's the real deal, and I have indeed witnessed a genuine Alien on YouTube.
.... of course, this is just my humble opinion at the moment and I am not trying to convince anyone else that it's real, and am well aware that this could just be yet another house of cards that might just get knocked down at any moment!

Cheers Buddy.
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1963

Noble
This footage has no paper trail. It just appeared out of nowhere in 2011. No providence at all. Do we have an origin for it? Sadly I don't think so.
Thanks for the response Shadow :Thumbsup: ... What provenance would you expect it would come with mate? ... when it was clearly announced as being a secret leak by Ivan135 on behalf of someone closer than he is to the 'top-secrety-things' in one of the nefariously covert departments , and is a life threatening provision that provenance cannot be traced! ... I suspect that if indeed this thing is authentic,? that we may never know the true source of the material, .. and would also hope that what was presented ... [ just the four clips in a short period of time before the account of Ivan135 was never visited by the poster again] was the only material that they had to share... or otherwise, my imagination dictates that if they were actually caught out leaking this stuff... well, it doesn't bare thinking about!

Cheers Buddy.
 

1963

Noble
Hello 1963, hope you and yours are doing well...Well my friend, I think skinny Bob is the real deal, one in a million, I get that vibe every time I watch the videos...Even the little things convince me of this, I notice how the fingers move, seems very natural to me...As you also said, the videos haven't been debunked...

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I'm doing fine my old friend and hope all's well in your world! :Thumbsup: ... didn't know that you were such a strong advocate of it's authenticity? ... Always thought that there was a decent chance of them being the real deal, just mainly because of the quality, ... and that vibe that you mention... but I have always tried to be cautious because... well you know as well as I do just how many charlatans are in this game don't you! .... but in this case, the usual motives [notoriety and money] seem to have been passed up for some reason? ... I mean, all four videos that he entered on his [still open] YT site have generated 1.9m views in over 12 years and nothing else. ...I don't really know how it works, but would that number of hits make someone rich? [taking the cost of top class production fakery into account ] ? even if he did get paid for the uploads? So if they were clever fakes.... why? ... anyway, on the Skinny Bob tape i'm with you my friend and am willing to front the "told ya so's" if were' eventually proven to be gullible tin-foil-hatters ! :D

Cheers Buddy.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
All those years of the Patterson-Gimlin film being dismissed and it turns out the thing may very well have been genuine. Bill Munns did a fantastic analysis of it because as it turns out, there was quite a bit of data present it just needed a subject matter expert to spend months and years going over every single copy frame by frame as well as the exact area the film(s) were shot in.

The deep dive analysis for Bob said that the images had a 'old scratchy film' overlay that was found commonly online. and you'd think if genuine the anonymous source would just let it run as is. There's a couple red flags flapping in the breeze right there. I've seen stabilized images of the PGF made for clarity that are fantastic but by themselves can't prove or disprove anything. Not really enough meat on the bone there although I admit it's damned creepy.
 

Todd Feinman

Show us the satellite pics...
I've always thought that the Patterson-Gimlin film was real too. I've spent many years doing life drawing and studying muscular anatomy, and all of the muscles flexing under the skin as the creature walks look real to me.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
Thanks for the response Shadow :Thumbsup: ... What provenance would you expect it would come with mate? ... when it was clearly announced as being a secret leak by Ivan135 on behalf of someone closer than he is to the 'top-secrety-things' in one of the nefariously covert departments , and is a life threatening provision that provenance cannot be traced! ... I suspect that if indeed this thing is authentic,? that we may never know the true source of the material, .. and would also hope that what was presented ... [ just the four clips in a short period of time before the account of Ivan135 was never visited by the poster again] was the only material that they had to share... or otherwise, my imagination dictates that if they were actually caught out leaking this stuff... well, it doesn't bare thinking about!

Cheers Buddy.
Who is Ivan 135? Do we know this source? Is he credible? What guarantee do we have that this source did not dress humans up and film them as aliens.
I can go down to milatts costume shop and pot my 12 year old in a alien costume and at night shoot fuzzy footage of him nosing around. The apartment commons.
Then as Bob8622 post them online.
And in skinny Bob that's what he is a guys in a costume.
My opinion.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
I've always thought that the Patterson-Gimlin film was real too. I've spent many years doing life drawing and studying muscular anatomy, and all of the muscles flexing under the skin as the creature walks look real to me.
The guy in the bigfoot costume came forward.
He even did the "patty" walk.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The guy in the bigfoot costume came forward.
He even did the "patty" walk.
That's only one piece, one part of the story, not all of it. Yes there was an attempt to fake an encounter that ended badly and has been admitted to. Well worth taking the time to read. I did a complete 180 after doing so.
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I've always thought that the Patterson-Gimlin film was real too. I've spent many years doing life drawing and studying muscular anatomy, and all of the muscles flexing under the skin as the creature walks look real to me.

Munns used the films themselves and had physical data to be examined, even on first generation copies.

I was only drawing comparison to PGF because there's certainly some footage that's been debated ad nauseum. In that case though, it wasn't just an anonymous online post and there is real evidence to be examined even years later - we just had to wait for the right someone to have a look.

There's also the same point to be made that I've heard come our of the AARO briefings. An anomaly that comes and goes quickly leaving nothing behind but a report, not much you can do with it. Same for Skinny Bob. What can be done with it?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Who is Ivan 135? Do we know this source? Is he credible? What guarantee do we have that this source did not dress humans up and film them as aliens.
I can go down to milatts costume shop and pot my 12 year old in a alien costume and at night shoot fuzzy footage of him nosing around. The apartment commons.
Then as Bob8622 post them online.
And in skinny Bob that's what he is a guys in a costume.
My opinion.

Anybody can say and do anything like that towards any sort of controversial topic pictures or video...That does not mean the photos or video in question are fake...

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