AD1184
Celestial
The "artworks" on the fourth plinth, appearing since 1999, have largely been of a similar vein:
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Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
That's horrible crime.
She/he should get not less then 5 years in prison for that. Absolutely unimaginable to vandalise precious national heritage like that. I think Boris Johnson passed some new laws to deal exactly with this kind of behaviour. This should not be punished just with fine, but with proper prison term. That person is nothing more but a criminal and terrorist. The whole point of democracy is dialogue, not violence and attacks on property.
We can not change our history, neither we should, but we must preserve it so we can learn lessons from it.
What is next? Toppling down Nelson's monument in Trafalgar square?
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nivek
As Above So Below
Apparently the American government is having a difficult time finding the documents...WTF
Biden administration asks for DELAY handing over details of Prince Harry's immigration papers to a judge because 'searching' for them has taken 'longer than expected'
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J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
I don't agree with that sort of activism, but jail time seems harsh ( to me ) — not to mention actually martyring her via incarceration. A criminal record, coupled with restitution garnished out of her pay, community service time, and government pension for the value of the artwork, would probably make more of an impression.
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nivek
As Above So Below
Jail time is justified in this case, at least to me, as time is more valuable to me than money...Fines and garnishments will enable others to do similar acts of destruction...IMO
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AD1184
Celestial
Plus, a lot of these extreme left-wing activist organizations have secret wealthy backers who can provide the money to pay off fines.
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
Listen, if this is allowed to happen, then all paintings, statues, historical exhibits can be vandalised for whatever political whim of the moment. These artefacts have priceless cultural value, and once lost can't be recovered. What if somebody went and broke up into pieces Plymouth Rock or Liberty Bell?
Activism is fine, stand in front of the painting and display your placard, and take a selfie. But vandalism is not fine.
Soon, we'll be nation without history and heritage, and then hordes of barbarians can take us over as if we never existed.
Activism is fine, stand in front of the painting and display your placard, and take a selfie. But vandalism is not fine.
Soon, we'll be nation without history and heritage, and then hordes of barbarians can take us over as if we never existed.
nivek
As Above So Below
Different motivations but same action and the punishment is pointing at the actions, not the motives, so treat these activists the same...IMO
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nivek
As Above So Below
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Well, that's a slippery slope.
I have lost track of the mass shootings because there have been so damned many but know that on at least a few there were blatant red flags on social media and had anyone been made aware lives could have been saved. I'd say the police being involved with this means that no one else is doing anything about it. Pity the only control the media can exert is political in nature.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Just a random thought that might bring this topic down to a familiar scale. Millions of people and ... Scotland ... are things that I know are real but distant or hard to really comprehend. You've all seen what I've written here in the JFK and firearms threads, among others Suppose I started posting really weird stuff right here on AE about mass shootings and made it apparent my choo-choo has chugged around the bend. Old men with skills and weapons have proven to be quite problematic.
What would anyone do and when would you do it ? Who would listen ?
What would anyone do and when would you do it ? Who would listen ?
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
Jail time wastes taxpayer money while providing the activist with a badge of honor. However, picking-up trash by the side of the highway for the next 7 years and making her actually pay for the damage, would at least be compensation — and keep her too busy to bother with more destructive activism ( IMO ).
Either way it's still time spent — one is just more constructive. That said, I suppose that if there was a high probability of re-offending despite the punishment, the only choice would be incarceration. But how many more artworks like that are there that she finds objectionable? Maybe that's the only one ( for all we know ).
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J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
I think you may have missed the point of the article. If it has anything to do with mass shootings at all, that's just a smoke screen. Other laws cover outright threats of violence and similar offenses — this broadens "hate" speech" to include pretty much anything that isn't politically correct, goes against the mainstream narrative, or offends the woke.
It's outrageous, and they're trying to clamp it down here in Canada and other places ( like France ) as well. It's another tactic in the globalist authoritarian attack on individual freedoms.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
No I didn't but I understand what you are saying.
I am saying that there are times when censorship may be appropriate, especially in extreme cases involving public safety. I am also saying that if the police are doing it - something highly suspect IMO considering political weaponization - it means no one else is. That should include parents and the media sites themselves but often doesn't.
I am also asking: where do you draw the line ? When do you censor for the public good and don't you? Hence the slippery slope.
What this also means is that the liberal elites who said they were going to flee to Canada if trump were elected will find a Woke Paradise up there from the sounds of it.
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
All fair questions. So it seems we're just coming at the issue from differing perspectives.
When it comes to "public safety" I prefer to let the "public" decide for themselves what is and isn't "safe". It seems to me that whenever Governments decide to do it, it means civil liberties are going to get trampled on. It starts by limiting the things citizens can do, then what they can say, then what they can own, until they own nothing and can't say or do anything about it.
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
George Carlin - Trading Freedom for Security
nivek
As Above So Below
As a Republic, the United States government should be acting in accordance with what the public, their representatives, decides...However, as we know these days, this is not the case, we have a rogue government that must be reined in and put back in place...
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J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
Indeed — I would add that what sets the USA apart from weaker democracies is that as you say — it's a republic. More specifically, it's a constitutional republic that includes protections for individuals, without which it would devolve into a tyranny of the majority.