Thanks Nivek,
I was arguing with a skeptic over in Fortean Forum about the Gimbal --he was arguing that it was just a jet engine that was being seen at distance --I contended (as Ryan does here), that at that range the jet itself would be visible --and it wasn't. NOT a jet engine. It was a disk UFO. I also enjoyed Graves' brief mention of "non-human technology"; that's how I like to describe them too --advanced non-human technology. Again, I;ve seen a Toc Tac (capsule-shaped) object fly off into deep space above me --I am convinced they are from somewhere else in space / time = ET. We don't have anything that can move like that. Tic Tacs were also seen during Exercise Mainbrace, and over the stadium in Florence during the mass sighting (there are photos in both cases), and they've been seen at other times in the past too.