They Saw Amelia Earhart Alive?

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Goerner's book suggests, more plausibly than I would have thought, that her Electra had been modified with Pratt & Whitney military sourced engines to give it additional speed and a greater service ceiling and had been stuffed to capacity with fuel tanks and photographic equipment. Japan was violating international law by fortifying the mandated islands; dredging harbors, building roads, fuel supply facilities in preparation for the Pacific war everyone seemed to know was coming. They had an exclusion zone and didn't want anyone snooping around and the US military of that era just didn't have the capability for reconnaissance to see what the hell they were really up to. Her flight was an opportunity to take a peek.

The theory says that with the modified Electra and the full blessing of the government from FDR down she flew north to take a look at Truk and then headed to Howland island, and on that last leg pretty much true to the story she hit bad weather, became disoriented and went down. The book talks about the Navy and Coast Guard and Earhart being very confused about who was supposed to transmit exactly what, when and on what frequency.

Goerner could write and the story flowed well. I always figured she went into the drink and that was it, but maybe not. His book is probably about as close to it as we'll ever get unless someone finds the plane or the bodies.

Kind of ironic that the first real action of the war (after the destruction of the ABDA command) took place in the Coral Sea and the first counter strike in the Solomons, which really had nothing to do with her story. So her overflight of Truk would have been essentially worthless - it would have shown something we were unprepared to deal with.

Its a nice theory I suppose......but based on what I've seen and know about the time its still unsupported. All that can really be confirmed is that the Itasca heard her on their radio.....and then the Pacific got them.

By the way what is ABDA?
 

wwkirk

Divine
The latest on Amelia Earhart.
Amelia Earhart discovery? Researchers eye Papua New Guinea 'wreck site'
By James Rogers | Fox News

Researchers say that a site in Papua New Guinea may contain the long-lost remains of Amelia Earhart’s plane.

Wreckage off the coast of Buka Island may offer a vital clue in the decades-long mystery, according to investigators from Project Blue Angel. The project’s members have been studying the site for 13 years and say that wreckage off Buka Island could be from Earhart’s Lockheed Electra 10E.

Earhart famously disappeared while attempting to fly around the world. The aviator and her navigator, Fred Noonan, went missing on July 2, 1937, during a flight from Papua New Guinea to Howland Island in the Pacific. Their fate became one of the great mysteries of the 20th century and is still hotly debated here in the 21st.


AMELIA EARHART SIGNED DOCUMENT DISCOVERED IN ATTIC BOX

“The Buka Island wreck site was directly on Amelia and Fred’s flight path, and it is an area never searched following their disappearance,” said William Snavely, Project Blue Angel director, in a statement. “What we’ve found so far is consistent with the plane she flew.”
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Aerial shot of Buka Island. (Stephani Gordon. Open Boat Films)

Snavely has traced Earhart’s route from Lae in Papua New Guinea. The researcher thinks that, low on fuel, she may have decided to turn back during her journey to Howland Island.

Divers from Papua New Guinea have surveyed the site on a number of occasions for Snavely. Last year, U.S. members of Project Blue Angel also investigated the site, which is about 100 feet below the ocean’s surface. “While the complete data is still under review by experts, initial reports indicate that a piece of glass raised from the wreckage shares some consistencies with a landing light on the Lockheed Electra 10,” the project's statement explained.

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“Amelia’s Electra had specific modifications done to it for this specific journey, and some of those unique modifications appear to be verified in the wreckage that’s been found,” added pilot and aerospace engineer Jill Meyers, Blue Angel’s public relations manager.

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A diver points toward the aircraft discovered off Buka Island, Papua New Guinea. (Stephani Gordon, Open Boat Films)

However, the project notes that the wreckage has been gradually eroded by years of rough water and earthquakes.

“While there is no way to be certain yet that this is definitively Amelia Earhart’s Electra, the crash site may hold the clues to solving one of the world’s greatest mysteries,” Snavely added in the statement.

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Project Blue Angel is planning another expedition to Buka in the Spring that will harness advanced imaging technologies.

There are a number of competing theories about what ultimately happened to Earhart.

One well-publicized theory is that she died a castaway after landing her plane on the remote island of Nikumaroro, a coral atoll 1,200 miles from the Marshall Islands. Some 13 human bones were found on Nikumaroro, also known as Gardner Island, three years after Earhart’s disappearance.

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Last year, a scientific study claimed to shed new light on the enduring mystery.

Richard Jantz, an emeritus anthropology professor at the University of Tennessee, argued that the bones discovered on Nikumaroro in 1940 were likely Earhart’s remains. However, a forensic analysis of the remains in 1941 described the bones as belonging to a male. The bones, which were subsequently lost, continue to be a source of debate.

While some are convinced that Nikumaroro is Earhart’s final resting place, another theory suggests that she met her end on Mili Atoll, in the Marshall Islands.

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This May 20, 1937, photo, provided by The Paragon Agency, shows aviator Amelia Earhart at the tail of her Electra plane, taken at Burbank Airport in California. (Albert Bresnik/The Paragon Agency via AP)
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
By the way what is ABDA?

Sorry, only just saw this. ABDA is "American-British-Dutch-Australian" . Dec '41 through March '42 it was a mixed bag of whatever naval forces could be scraped together to resist the Japanese onslaught. They had never fought together, had zero coordination and didn't last long. Lots of fighting around Java.

The US Asiatic Fleet was mostly outdated, obsolete equipment that with one or two exceptions was simply swatted aside. They did have one modern and very capable heavy cruiser that went down fighting alongside the HMAS Perth, an Australian light cruiser, in the Sunda Straight. I can highly recommend Ship of Ghosts: The Story of the USS Houston, FDR's Legendary Lost Cruiser, and the Epic Saga of Her Survivors by James D. Hornfischer. Many of the survivors of that episode went on to work on the Burmese-Thai railroad as slave laborers and that story is mind bending. Human beings have capabilities that thankfully most of us will never have to test.

I stumbled across a military sci-fi series based on the destruction of the ABDA command called Destroyermen by Taylor Anderson. There are about a dozen books in the series and they get quite involved, but the first one was a fun quick read.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The latest on Amelia Earhart.
Amelia Earhart discovery? Researchers eye Papua New Guinea 'wreck site'
By James Rogers | Fox News

Researchers say that a site in Papua New Guinea may contain the long-lost remains of Amelia Earhart’s plane.

Wreckage off the coast of Buka Island may offer a vital clue in the decades-long mystery, according to investigators from Project Blue Angel. The project’s members have been studying the site for 13 years and say that wreckage off Buka Island could be from Earhart’s Lockheed Electra 10E.

Earhart famously disappeared while attempting to fly around the world. The aviator and her navigator, Fred Noonan, went missing on July 2, 1937, during a flight from Papua New Guinea to Howland Island in the Pacific. Their fate became one of the great mysteries of the 20th century and is still hotly debated here in the 21st.


AMELIA EARHART SIGNED DOCUMENT DISCOVERED IN ATTIC BOX

“The Buka Island wreck site was directly on Amelia and Fred’s flight path, and it is an area never searched following their disappearance,” said William Snavely, Project Blue Angel director, in a statement. “What we’ve found so far is consistent with the plane she flew.”
ProjectBlueAngel2.jpg

Aerial shot of Buka Island. (Stephani Gordon. Open Boat Films)

Snavely has traced Earhart’s route from Lae in Papua New Guinea. The researcher thinks that, low on fuel, she may have decided to turn back during her journey to Howland Island.

Divers from Papua New Guinea have surveyed the site on a number of occasions for Snavely. Last year, U.S. members of Project Blue Angel also investigated the site, which is about 100 feet below the ocean’s surface. “While the complete data is still under review by experts, initial reports indicate that a piece of glass raised from the wreckage shares some consistencies with a landing light on the Lockheed Electra 10,” the project's statement explained.

AMELIA EARHART MYSTERY SOLVED? SCIENTIST '99 PERCENT' SURE BONES FOUND BELONG TO AVIATOR

“Amelia’s Electra had specific modifications done to it for this specific journey, and some of those unique modifications appear to be verified in the wreckage that’s been found,” added pilot and aerospace engineer Jill Meyers, Blue Angel’s public relations manager.

EarhartProjectBlueAngel.jpg

A diver points toward the aircraft discovered off Buka Island, Papua New Guinea. (Stephani Gordon, Open Boat Films)

However, the project notes that the wreckage has been gradually eroded by years of rough water and earthquakes.

“While there is no way to be certain yet that this is definitively Amelia Earhart’s Electra, the crash site may hold the clues to solving one of the world’s greatest mysteries,” Snavely added in the statement.

DOZENS HEARD AMELIA EARHART RADIO FOR HELP AFTER CRASHING INTO PACIFIC: REPORT

Project Blue Angel is planning another expedition to Buka in the Spring that will harness advanced imaging technologies.

There are a number of competing theories about what ultimately happened to Earhart.

One well-publicized theory is that she died a castaway after landing her plane on the remote island of Nikumaroro, a coral atoll 1,200 miles from the Marshall Islands. Some 13 human bones were found on Nikumaroro, also known as Gardner Island, three years after Earhart’s disappearance.

AMELIA EARHART WOULD HAVE A VERY HARD TIME DISAPPEARING IN 2019

Last year, a scientific study claimed to shed new light on the enduring mystery.

Richard Jantz, an emeritus anthropology professor at the University of Tennessee, argued that the bones discovered on Nikumaroro in 1940 were likely Earhart’s remains. However, a forensic analysis of the remains in 1941 described the bones as belonging to a male. The bones, which were subsequently lost, continue to be a source of debate.

While some are convinced that Nikumaroro is Earhart’s final resting place, another theory suggests that she met her end on Mili Atoll, in the Marshall Islands.

EARHART1.jpg

This May 20, 1937, photo, provided by The Paragon Agency, shows aviator Amelia Earhart at the tail of her Electra plane, taken at Burbank Airport in California. (Albert Bresnik/The Paragon Agency via AP)

Buka was an important airfield for the Japanese in WW2. We regularly blew the snot out of it in the Solomons campaign so the discovery of aircraft in the area isn't unusual. They'd have to pull up a hunk of wreckage with an identifiable serial # on it to prove it was her Electra.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Sorry, only just saw this. ABDA is "American-British-Dutch-Australian" . Dec '41 through March '42 it was a mixed bag of whatever naval forces could be scraped together to resist the Japanese onslaught. They had never fought together, had zero coordination and didn't last long. Lots of fighting around Java.

The US Asiatic Fleet was mostly outdated, obsolete equipment that with one or two exceptions was simply swatted aside. They did have one modern and very capable heavy cruiser that went down fighting alongside the HMAS Perth, an Australian light cruiser, in the Sunda Straight. I can highly recommend Ship of Ghosts: The Story of the USS Houston, FDR's Legendary Lost Cruiser, and the Epic Saga of Her Survivors by James D. Hornfischer. Many of the survivors of that episode went on to work on the Burmese-Thai railroad as slave laborers and that story is mind bending. Human beings have capabilities that thankfully most of us will never have to test.

Thank you......I've never been good at acronyms.

I agree that is a very good book. The first thing I ever read about in the naval ops of WW2 is the Battle of Java Sea and the ops around Guadalcanal. I had read about the air was that covered Coral Sea and Midway earlier.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Location of Amelia Earhart's lost plane could be revealed by a small mark on a black and white photo taken in 1937 - and the 77-year-old explorer who found the Titanic is on an expedition to find it



A small smudge on an black and white photo taken in 1937 (circled right) is leading the man who discovered the Titanic on a mission to find the remains of Amelia Earhart's plane. The image was taken by British colonial officer Eric Bevington after his freighter ran aground on Gardner Island, now Nikumaroro Island, in the Pacific Ocean three months after Earhart and her navigator Fred Noonan went missing on their attempt to circumnavigate the globe. On the left is Earhart's plane after it crashed in Hawaii in 1937.


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The shadow

The shadow knows!
Location of Amelia Earhart's lost plane could be revealed by a small mark on a black and white photo taken in 1937 - and the 77-year-old explorer who found the Titanic is on an expedition to find it



A small smudge on an black and white photo taken in 1937 (circled right) is leading the man who discovered the Titanic on a mission to find the remains of Amelia Earhart's plane. The image was taken by British colonial officer Eric Bevington after his freighter ran aground on Gardner Island, now Nikumaroro Island, in the Pacific Ocean three months after Earhart and her navigator Fred Noonan went missing on their attempt to circumnavigate the globe. On the left is Earhart's plane after it crashed in Hawaii in 1937.


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Ballard found Titanic, Bismark ,Yorktown and Kaga Anyone who found those can find Amelia Earhart
 
Not where he's looking.

It appears I have missed the opportunity to diss Tighar on this forum. Oh well, do some research. No, I don't mean five minutes on Google. Read their site. Some of it is good for a few laughs. Look into their name, and then find out how many airplanes they have recovered.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Skull Fragments Found That May Belong to Amelia Earhart

One of the longest-running and certainly one of the most famous missing persons’ searches may be coming to a swift and unexpected end … or perhaps it’s just the end of one documentary and the beginning of another. We’re talking about Amelia Earhart and the extensive and expensive National Geographic-sponsored search on Nikumaroro Island in the Pacific that is wrapping up in order to prepare for a television special on October 20th. While that expedition’s leader has leaked hints at what they found trolling the waters around the island with an underwater ROV and combing the land with drones, he set expectations pretty low. On the other hand, the land team found something that may solve the mystery … and it wasn’t even on Nikumaroro!

“We don’t know if it’s her or not but all lines of evidence point to the 1940 bones being in this museum.”

Anyone who knows their Amelia Earhart lore will recognize the phrases “1940 bones” and “museum.” Earhart and her navigator, Fred Noonan, were last heard from on July 2, 1937, during the Papua New Guinea to Howland Island leg of Earhart’s round-the-world flight attempt. Speculating that they may have crashed on Nikumaroro Island, a British colony was established on it and administrator Gerald Gallagher found a partial skeleton there in 1940. He sent 13 of the bones, including a partial skull, to Fiji – the rest were left on the ground and a new theory suggests they may have been hauled away to their burrows by the island’s giant coconut crabs.

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On Fiji, Dr. D.W. Hoodless, the principal of the Central Medical School there, examined the bones and strongly speculated they were from a 45-to-55-year-old male about 5-to-5.5-feet tall – definitely not Amelia Earhart (a tall female) nor Noonan (over 6 feet tall). However, the photographs and measurements he took were analyzed in 2018 with modern techniques by Richard Jantz, professor emeritus of anthropology at the University of Tennessee, and determined to be from a woman – most likely Earhart. However, the actual Nikumaroro bones were never able to be examined again because the museum lost them.

Or did it?

It sounds hard to believe, but the land half of the expedition, led by National Geographic Society archaeologist Fredrik Hiebert, also spent some time on the nearby island of Tarawa in the Te Umwanibong Museum and Cultural Centre. Why? There were some bones there that no one knew where they came from – including pieces of a partial skull. Really! While the latest National Geographic article doesn’t elaborate on the hows, whys and wheres of the skull, Erin Kimmerle, a forensic anthropologist at the University of South Florida who did the initial analyisis, says “all lines of evidence point to the 1940 bones being in this museum.” (Kimmerle has been in the news recently as the forensic anthropologist examining more than 50 bodies, some showing blunt trauma and signs of murder, buried in unmarked graves at the former site of the Dozier School for Boys in Florida.) She is now in the process of reconstructing the skull and performing a DNA analysis on it and the bones.

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Has the mysterious disappearance of Amelia Earhart been solved? More importantly, will the DNA tests be back in time for the upcoming special or will there have to be an Episode 2? Robert Ballard, the chief scientist on the underwater half of the expedition, says he’s ready to go back. So are we.

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Any other place to find this?.....this express thing won't let me in to view it.
Count your blessings. I feel 100% dumber after clicking on that link. It's that batshit crazy Scott Waring (of martian squirrel fame) with more idiotic blather. 100% proof of an empty skull. Why any news outlet would waste electrons on that nonsense is beyond me.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Any other place to find this?.....this express thing won't let me in to view it.

I can't get past all the advertising to see the report, Dailymail is getting just as bad about intrusive advertising...

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nivek

As Above So Below
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Dynamic Aviation joins project to find Amelia Earhart’s plane

BRIDGEWATER, Va. (WHSV) - Almost 100 years after American aviator Amelia Earhart took her first flight, her resting place has yet to be found but a local aviation group is helping to find an answer.

It’s one of aviation’s greatest mystery, what happened to Earhart and her navigator Fred Noonan after they disappeared over the Pacific Ocean during her final flight in 1937.

Dynamic Aviation in Bridgewater has loaned its Beechcraft Model-18 aircraft to be used in new testing performed by Nauticos, a deep ocean exploring organization and Collins Radio Engineers off of Cape Charles, Va.

At the end of the month, the group will recreate Earhart’s communication link between aircraft and by boat. “What we’re going to do is simulate the actual flight into what would be Itasca and simulate that flight that lasts part of her flight in 1937,” Tom Vinson, with Collins Radio Engineers, said.

The Beech-18 will be equipped with radio equipment and antennas to measure the signal strength of Earhart’s last transmission. “It makes a perfect platform then for us to add on high-frequency antennas on it and direction-finding loop like she had on hers,” Vinson said.

The test is now possible with current technology, but the same radio equipment Earhart was using in the 1930′s will be used on the tests.

A female voice similar to Earhart’s will also be played during the test. “Through the tests we can narrow down the band of how far was she for her last several transmissions,” Vinson said.

The group of volunteers hopes to use the data they collect from the tests off the coast of Virginia, to where they believe Earhart’s craft is at, and bring it back home. “We would like to have it taken back to Hawaii and then Hawaii to California to finish her flight to finish the Earhart flight,” Vinson said.

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