I think we might be taking a different perspective here. That's not a bad thing just somewhat difficult when we are refraining from naming the Thing. lol I have approached this entire thread from an ontological perspective further refined by an epistemological one. You can blame the Aussie dog here for bringing Kant into play.
Always a good situation to be in when you can lay the blame elsewhere.. that's what dogs are good for, blame it on the dog they say, the dog ate my homework...
Though it might be one of the only things I know about him, the reason I bought Kant up is because he is well known for that saying. To be more precise, like you really want to be hearing this:
The
Thing in Itself (das Ding an sich).... see, a
Ding is a
Thing or is it
a Thing is a Ding ?
Stepping back now, I don't feel that's the direction this thread is meant to go. If anyone wants to discuss propositional knowledge and all that, let me know. It can be about as pleasant as a migraine, I suppose, but my mind just operates along those lines. I'm afraid I might just beat the Thing to death if I don't stop now!
I had to look that up... sounds good to me, but not too many long words please, I get sick of having to look up what they mean... lol.... However, chances are it will be me who gives you the migrane, not the
Thing, not the
Ding nor the Propositional Knowledge.
(I decided not to drown just so when you come here for that coffee, I can be there and watch you rummage through my
Things... lol...)