Heavy Science. Time Travel.

nivek

As Above So Below
But String theory isn't popular here.

It's not about popularity but more to do with reason and logic...String theory has run its course and does not hold up, simple...I never thought it would, I'm not a physicist, I'm an engineer and to me it's garbage, sorry but that is the truth of the matter and as an engineer as I have done with other concepts and designs that don't work out I move on to something more productive and that gives me results...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
It's not about popularity but more to do with reason and logic...String theory has run its course and does not hold up, simple...I never thought it would, I'm not a physicist, I'm an engineer and to me it's garbage, sorry but that is the truth of the matter and as an engineer as I have done with other concepts and designs that don't work out I move on to something more productive and that gives me results...

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I do understand. There are problems at the subatomic level with string theory. And those are evident. It's not truly string theory. I stress to support. So much as the idea that dimensional theory doesn't stop or shouldn't stop at the 4th dimension. I'm open to any ideas that support a greater understanding of dimensional space, and I'm not really committed fully to any of them. I just need the freedom on Dimensional space to expand beyond the 4th.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
His thoughts and observations are not credited enough with me personally To undo, Michio Kaku's or CERN's work.

x3 Quite a silly thing to say really, this is just a discussion board and thread sharing ideas and experiences, take what you wish from it, we aren't here to sanction or judge one another's credibility...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
x3 Quite a silly thing to say really, this is just a discussion board and thread sharing ideas and experiences, take what you wish from it, we aren't here to sanction or judge one another's credibility...

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I'm just fairly presenting that Works within string theory do have scientific merit. From some of the greatest minds in the field today. I'm not stating disinformation. That's just a fact.
Look people think I'm being rude here. That's not it. People also want me to accept that Thomas is a credited physicist without seeing his impact on the scientific study. I want to state. We have seen it. people are getting shot down and even offended. It's about accurate that someone can speak truthfully of their own opinion about someones else's credibility. I can not accept someones Word as a scientific fact. If I don't see their credited works within the field. That is a Fair scientific method. Science. Asks for proof, What is wrong with this?
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
x3 Quite a silly thing to say really, this is just a discussion board and thread sharing ideas and experiences, take what you wish from it, we aren't here to sanction or judge one another's credibility...

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Scientific credibility is built upon by the scientific community, you are asking me to just give scientific credibility to someone. Would it seem fair to scrutinize the data? To be inquisitive about things rather than just accept what someone says is a fact. I'm being asked indirectly, to blindly follow someone. I can't do that without Questions and exchanges.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Scientific credibility is built upon by the scientific community, you are asking me to just give scientific credibility to someone. Would it seem fair to scrutinize the data? To be inquisitive about things rather than just accept what someone says is a fact. I'm being asked indirectly, to blindly follow someone. I can't do that without Questions and exchanges.

Sorry you missed my entire point...No one is asking you to blindly follow another...x23

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Sorry you missed my entire point...No one is asking you to blindly follow another...x23

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No that's my personality. When I get to know people, When I befriend them, I begin to support them. Right or wrong. Because that's how I treat friends. :) Someday. I and Thomas Will be Friends. But I have to show him the depths of my mind first. I'm proving myself. It's little more than that.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Plus, In all my years. ever. speaking online, There is no conversation more exquisite Than a physics debate. And you can't have a great debate without opposing viewpoints. It must be, For the sake of conversation, Opinions must clash

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Even if it's just for the pleasure of conversation :D
 
Holy moly…way too much has been posted in the last few hours to go over all of this in any detail, but I’m seeing a lot of problems that need to be addressed, so I’ll have to be quick about it. Let’s try to slow things down here Shadowprophet, maybe stick to one or two points at a time if possible.

So, It all comes down to supersymmetry, Until we can disprove or confirm symmetry We honestly can't achieve a greater factual knowledge of dimensional space?
Supersymmetry is a 4D theory – higher dimensions aren’t required. So even if supersymmetry is confirmed someday (no evidence exists for it today, but it is well motivated on theoretical grounds so it’s worth investigating), that won’t be proof of any higher dimensions.

I don't know why so many people are enamored with the notion of higher dimensions. What can be done with 4D general relativity is mind blowing. What is that people want to do with these higher dimensions, that can't be done with GR? I don't understand the fascination with extra dimensions - if they exist, they're either too small to be of any use to us humans, or, the laws of physics limit their action to a 4D universe anyway, so what's the upside to them?

This actually leads me to ask your take on Quantum field theory?
QFT is amazingly powerful and extremely well-verified experimentally. But it’s incomplete because it doesn’t include gravitation. Likewise, GR is incomplete because it doesn’t include QFT.

So no theory that we have today is complete: we don’t have a unified field theory. Many brilliant theorists are trying to figure it out.

so I figured this place was a good place to share ideas, maybe someone would connect with what I was trying to share. clearly I was wrong. and I just don't have the energy for any sort of burden. I am out, I am done.
Have you started a thread about your work? I have no idea what you’ve found with your experiments, but I’d like to hear about them in some detail, so we can all see what you’re talking about.

I'll be the first to admit, Michio Kaku may, in fact, just be insane,
Michio Kaku is not insane. Superstring theorists are not insane – most of them are brilliant mathematicians – you have to be in order to work on something that complex. But that doesn’t make superstring theory correct.

Anyway. As I lay down. A thought occurred to me. I just had to ask. The universe is expanding, Perhaps Time is expanding. Perhaps in the Flow of time is regulated by the expansion of the universe? I'll know how silly this was by the time I wake up tomorrow, Night guys.
I wish people would read the papers I cite in these discussions. This one is particularly germane to that idea:

“Identification of a Gravitational Arrow of Time,” Julian Barbour, Tim Koslowski, and Flavio Mercati, Physical Review Letters, 2014
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.0917.pdf

It's affectionately known as Issac newtons flaming laser sword Mike Alder - Wikipedia Basically. Isaac Newton thought that if a theory could not be experimented upon, It was a total waste of time until such a time arose that the theory could be put to experimentation, That's what he's doing. He's cutting away the Fat the unnecessary. the incorrect.
That’s right – an untestable theory that doesn’t shed any useful light on existing problems in physics, is basically worthless until it can do one or both of those things.

But that doesn’t mean that it’s incorrect. It only means that it is, for the time being anyway, useless.

To properly grasp physics we are going to have to separate true physics, from theoretical physics.
No. There’s no distinction between “real physics” and “theoretical physics” – all physics is theoretical to some extent or another.

I just find that any theory that isn’t useful in some way, or which isn’t testable, is pointless and worthless. That’s a personal philosophical perspective, but I feel that it’s also the most scientific perspective.

Consequently, there is a reason for a triangular design in the observed black triangles. Having witnessed one of these ships first hand I know that these are real. I do not believe they are alien ships. However, if I'm wrong and these are alien ships then we better get our act together and quick.

I've seen a video of the same vehicle over Mt. Baldy in Ca, which was posted on the old AH site by a member who also uploaded that video to Youtube. 3 days later the video was removed. I asked the poster why and if he had been visited by men in dark suits. His reply was to forget it, that he must have videoed weather balloons, swamp gas, or birds, and that's all he would say. So far I have not seen another video of these ships.

Whatever these are they are 100% real and my experience tells me these vehicles invalidate all existing technology and certainly all weapons we possess would be worse than useless. You're talking about something so fast that most machines couldn't even react fast enough even if they were entirely computer controlled.

Alternatively, if these are ours, and we don't know it and do not possess the knowledge which enables that kind of power, then we are all in great danger.
Thanks for jumping in Gambeir; the black triangles are fascinating. I chatted with a man from Canada over at The Paracast forums who saw a weird ball of plasma hovering above the treeline by the road one night, and as he watched, it turned into a sleek black triangle with rounded edges, which then darted out of sight. Alternativively, it may have simply emerged from some kind of portal that simply looked like a ball of electrified plasma, he wasn't sure. He sounded very sincere to me. If his account is true, then there’s zero chance that what he saw was human technology. And yes, the fact that we humans are powerless to defend against such technology is pretty frightening. Thankfully, they don’t seem to be terribly hostile. But if they’re associated with the abduction phenomenon, then I’d say that’s a pretty hostile scenario: not lethal, apparently, but it’s still kidnapping, and nonconsensual medical and/or psychological experimentation.

here is a page about Cern. And how they are using the LHC to look for supersymmetry. And How String theory in the modern day is being reexamined. https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1063/1.2825069 I could speak forever about all the study I've done over the years. But in the end, It's about Whats credited by the scientific community. And that's true. But, Even though everyone wants to abandon string theory as moot. Cern doesn't seem to think string theory is fruitless. If A scientific work is only worth it's credited opinion, Then whats Cerns opinion on String theory Worth? We can follow on the path. one Opinion, Or we can keep an open mind. And look at what CERN is doing. What Cern is spending Millions of dollars running the Hadron Collider looking for.

People can get upset. if they choose to. But String theory isn't popular here. Well, it's pretty fricken popular at CERN. just expressing this.
The scientific community doesn’t have a single position; it’s not one unified entity. Some people like superstring theory, some don’t.

On the other hand, the LHC is the greatest experimental machine in history – nobody questions its value.

So by trying to conflate one with the other, you’re misrepresenting both. The validity of CERN and their work is an entirely independent issue from the validity or usefulness of superstring theory.

The research at CERN involves investigations into all kinds of theories via experimental findings. Supersymmetry is one of those avenues of investigation, but that has nothing to do with superstring theory or higher dimensions. Just because they both start with the prefix "super" doesn't make the two ideas related.

The only connection between superstring theory, and supersymmetry, is that superstring theorists glom onto every theoretical construct of interest, and proclaim: “our theory can predict that!” Sure, that’s true; with billions upon billions of possible variations in the superstring theories, some of them can be manipulated to predict anything. Is that meaningful? I don’t think so. But others disagree.

I'm just pointing out. I respect Thomas, I do truly. I want to learn from him, However. His thoughts and observations are not credited enough with me personally To undo, Michio Kaku's or CERN's work.
It makes me angry when you misrepresent things this badly, and apparently, intentionally.

Michio Kaku is a brilliant man. I just think that superstring theory is a waste of time, because it’s useless. If it ever makes a successful prediction, then I’ll take it seriously. Until then, no.

And like I said, CERN’s work is magnificent, and they have some of the best minds on the planet. And they should be looking for evidence of new physics – that’s their whole mission. So far, they’ve found no evidence in favor of superstring theory. But it’s a good thing that they’re trying. It’s a good thing that they’re looking into all kind of other ideas too.

We can discuss it. But to truly do away with these fascists of physics and their many citations on google scholar. We have to accept one man's opinion as fact. and place his opinion above some of the greatest minds working in the field today.
I’ve already stated that I don’t want anyone to take my word as fact. I have my views, and I openly share my reasoning so others can take what’s useful, and leave the rest. I think I’ve made a good case for why superstring theory is basically unscientific, and worthless. This is not my view alone – there’s a large and growing faction within the physics community who sees this subject the same way that I do. You’re free to agree or disagree.

We all know Science is only worth. What it's backed credit is in the scientific community. All I ask is that people don't just accept hitting a brick wall. Because one physicist disagrees. ultimately, That's just an educated opinion on these subjects. which should be taken into account, But not allowed to rewrite modern theoretical physics. when many great minds have opposing views.
It would be helpful if you put the periods at the ends of your sentences, instead of in the middle. It’s confusing to decode.

I’m not trying to rewrite anything: I’m only pointing out the facts: superstring theory hasn’t yielded a single useful thing over the span of many decades….and yet the pop science literature portrays it as gospel. That’s absurd. It’s just wild speculation. Nothing should be taken this seriously without offering any meaningful scientific progress whatsoever.

I'm just fairly presenting that Works within string theory do have scientific merit. From some of the greatest minds in the field today. I'm not stating disinformation. That's just a fact.
Huh? What “works” in string theory? Where’s the “scientific merit?” It’s an interesting idea, but so far (and it’s been a long road so far) it hasn’t contributed a single damned thing to the field of physics. That’s a fact.

Look people think I'm being rude here. That's not it. People also want me to accept that Thomas is a credited physicist without seeing his impact on the scientific study. I want to state. We have seen it. people are getting shot down and even offended. It's about accurate that someone can speak truthfully of their own opinion about someones else's credibility. I can not accept someones Word as a scientific fact. If I don't see their credited works within the field. That is a Fair scientific method. Science. Asks for proof, What is wrong with this?
That’s exactly what I’m doing – asking for proof of the value, validity, or merit of superstring theory. I’ve been asking for that for decades, and I still have yet to receive a single compelling answer. So I prefer to look elsewhere. But I'm glad that some people are still trying to find something useful in it - perhaps one day they'll succeed. But it's been eating up nearly all of the funding for theoretical research for decades, and offers nothing to show for that investment. So it should be scaled back, to let other and more promising theoretical avenues of investigation have a shot for a change. Stochastic electrodynamics, for example.

This default assumption that may people make – even many brilliant physicists, is that superstring theory is some kind of answer. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. But it hasn’t made a single verified prediction, and it’s not falsifiable. So until that changes, it remains worthless, and immortal – that’s a bad combo.

No that's my personality. When I get to know people, When I befriend them, I begin to support them. Right or wrong. Because that's how I treat friends. Someday. I and Thomas Will be Friends. But I have to show him the depths of my mind first. I'm proving myself. It's little more than that.
You don’t have to prove yourself. Just use your head and we’ll get along just fine ;
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Holy moly…way too much has been posted in the last few hours to go over all of this in any detail, but I’m seeing a lot of problems that need to be addressed, so I’ll have to be quick about it. Let’s try to slow things down here Shadowprophet, maybe stick to one or two points at a time if possible.


Supersymmetry is a 4D theory – higher dimensions aren’t required. So even if supersymmetry is confirmed someday (no evidence exists for it today, but it is well motivated on theoretical rgrounds so it’s worth investigating), that won’t be proof of any higher dimensions.


QFT is amazingly powerful and extremely well-verified experimentally. But it’s incomplete because it doesn’t include gravitation. Likewise, GR is incomplete because it doesn’t include QFT.

So no theory that we have today is complete: we don’t have a unified field theory. Many brilliant theorists are trying to figure it out.


Have you started a thread about your work? I have no idea what you’ve found with your experiments, but I’d like to hear about them in some detail, so we can all see what you’re talking about.


Michio Kaku is not insane. Superstring theorists are not insane – most of them are brilliant mathematicians – you have to be in order to work on something that complex. But that doesn’t make superstring theory correct.


I wish people would read the papers I cite in these discussions. This one is particularly germane to that idea:

“Identification of a Gravitational Arrow of Time,” Julian Barbour, Tim Koslowski, and Flavio Mercati, Physical Review Letters, 2014
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.0917.pdf


That’s right – an untestable theory that doesn’t shed any useful light on existing problems in physics, is basically worthless until it can do one or both of those things.

But that doesn’t mean that it’s incorrect. It only means that it is, for the time being anyway, useless.


No. There’s no distinction between “real physics” and “theoretical physics” – all physics is theoretical to some extent or another.

I just find that any theory that isn’t useful in some way, or which isn’t testable, is pointless and worthless. That’s a personal philosophical perspective, but I feel that it’s also the most scientific perspective.


Thanks for jumping in Gambeir; the black triangles are fascinating. I chatted with a man from Canada over at The Paracast forums who saw a weird ball of plasma hovering above the treeline by the road one night, and as he watched, it turned into a sleek black triangle with rounded edges, which then darted out of sight. Alternativively, it may have simply emerged from some kind of portal that simply looked like a ball of electrified plasma, he wasn't sure. He sounded very sincere to me. If his account is true, then there’s zero chance that what he saw was human technology. And yes, the fact that we humans are powerless to defend against such technology is pretty frightening. Thankfully, they don’t seem to be terribly hostile. But if they’re associated with the abduction phenomenon, then I’d say that’s a pretty hostile scenario: not lethal, apparently, but it’s still kidnapping, and nonconsensual medical and/or psychological experimentation.


The scientific community doesn’t have a single position; it’s not one unified entity. Some people like superstring theory, some don’t.

On the other hand, the LHC is the greatest experimental machine in history – nobody questions its value.

So by trying to conflate one with the other, you’re misrepresenting both. The validity of CERN and their work is an entirely independent issue from the validity or usefulness of superstring theory.

The research at CERN involves investigations into all kinds of theories via experimental findings. Supersymmetry is one of those avenues of investigation, but that has nothing to do with superstring theory or higher dimensions. Just because they both start with the prefix "super" doesn't make the two ideas related.

The only connection between superstring theory, and supersymmetry, is that superstring theorists glom onto every theoretical construct of interest, and proclaim: “our theory can predict that!” Sure, that’s true; with billions upon billions of possible variations in the superstring theories, some of them can be manipulated to predict anything. Is that meaningful? I don’t think so. But others disagree.


It makes me angry when you misrepresent things this badly, and apparently, intentionally.

Michio Kaku is a brilliant man. I just think that superstring theory is a waste of time, because it’s useless. If it ever makes a successful prediction, then I’ll take it seriously. Until then, no.

And like I said, CERN’s work is magnificent, and they have some of the best minds on the planet. And they should be looking for evidence of new physics – that’s their whole mission. So far, they’ve found no evidence in favor of superstring theory. But it’s a good thing that they’re trying. It’s a good thing that they’re looking into all kind of other ideas too.


I’ve already stated that I don’t want anyone to take my word as fact. I have my views, and I openly share my reasoning so others can take what’s useful, and leave the rest. I think I’ve made a good case for why superstring theory is basically unscientific, and worthless. This is not my view alone – there’s a large and growing faction within the physics community who sees this subject the same way that I do. You’re free to agree or disagree.


It would be helpful if you put the periods at the ends of your sentences, instead of in the middle. It’s confusing to decode.

I’m not trying to rewrite anything: I’m only pointing out the facts: superstring theory hasn’t yielded a single useful thing over the span of many decades….and yet the pop science literature portrays it as gospel. That’s absurd. It’s just wild speculation. Nothing should be taken this seriously without offering any meaningful scientific progress whatsoever.


Huh? What “works” in string theory? Where’s the “scientific merit?” It’s an interesting idea, but so far (and it’s been a long road so far) it hasn’t contributed a single damned thing to the field of physics. That’s a fact.


That’s exactly what I’m doing – asking for proof of the value, validity, or merit of superstring theory. I’ve been asking for that for decades, and I still have yet to receive a single compelling answer. So I prefer to look elsewhere. But I'm glad that some people aare still trying t find something useful in it - perhaps one day they'll succeed. But it;'s been eating up nearly all of the funding for theoretical research for decades, and has nothing to show for that investment. So it should be scaled back, to let other and more promising theoretical avenues of investigation have a shot for a change. Stochastic electrodynamics, for example.

This default assumption that may people make – even many brilliant physicists, is that superstring theory is some kind of answer. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. But it hasn’t made a single verified prediction, and it’s not falsifiable. So until that changes, it remains worthless, and immortal – that’s a bad combo.


You don’t have to prove yourself. Just use your head and we’ll get along just fine ;
I get it. It's hard for me to accept, Superstring theory is a favorite of mine. But it's not The idea of Superstring theory I defend. I have to keep avenues open to the possibility of higher dimensions, As I know you do too... I know your mind isn't closed to higher dimensions, You just want evidence. That's fair.
 
I get it. It's hard for me to accept, Superstring theory is a favorite of mine. But it's not The idea of Superstring theory I defend. I have to keep avenues open to the possibility of higher dimensions, As I know you do too... I know your mind isn't closed to higher dimensions, You just want evidence. That's fair.
Yeah I want to see some kind of evidence, any kind of evidence, direct or even indirect, for the existence of higher dimensions, before I take the idea seriously.

If it can produce a unified field theory, then I'll be the first to shout "hell yes!"

But that's the only significant aspect of it from my perspective; it's a purely theoretical utility, potentially. But I don't understand why so many people are attached to the idea. Most people still don't have any grasp of the myriad things that we can do with 4D general relativity. Like my mother used to say "don't ask for more until you finish what's on your plate," haha.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Yeah I want to see some kind of evidence, any kind of evidence, direct or even indirect, for the existence of higher dimensions, before I take the idea seriously.

If it can produce a unified field theory, then I'll be the first to shout "hell yes!"

But that's the only significant aspect of it from my perspective; it's a purely theoretical utility, potentially. But I don't understand why so many people are attached to the idea. Most people still don't have any grasp of the myriad things that we can do with 4D general relativity. Like my mother used to say "don't ask for more until you finish what's on your plate," haha.
For many. It is that playful fantasy aspect. Theoretical physics are so Star Trek. So pop culture. I know, there is the lack of support for evidence. It's that aspect of theoretical physics though, it caters to the fantastic. I think that's why people cling to it so well.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
I'll be the first to admit, Michio Kaku may, in fact, just be insane,

Anyway. As I lay down. A thought occurred to me. I just had to ask. The universe is expanding, Perhaps Time is expanding. Perhaps in the Flow of time is regulated by the expansion of the universe? I'll know how silly this was by the time I wake up tomorrow, Night guys.

What a day away can make in postings. Michio Kaku seemed sane enough right up till he started shilling for the Billionaires One World Govcorp.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
What a day away can make in postings. Michio Kaku seemed sane enough right up till he started shilling for the Billionaires One World Govcorp.
The thing about Michio that always threw me is Kaku has the same issue I seem to have. He gets far to heated in serious debates. While this is unprofessional, I don't think anyone expects less of me. I'm not a professional, But to see Kaku do this, Is unsettling.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Here is an article that was backed on Scholar about particle acceleration by superposition of frequency controlled lasers. It's an old article. But it was backed with some clout once upon a time. Particle acceleration by superposition of frequency-controlled laser pulses

The thing that concerns me is the gullibility of the people involved. It is highly unlikely that what these people think they are doing, searching for, has anything at all to do with the professed objectives.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The thing that concerns me is the gullibility of the people involved. It is highly unlikely that what these people think they are doing, searching for, has anything at all to do with the professed objectives.
That's true. I've always in a paranoid kind of way. Suspected that What Cern is actually doing I simply amassing Antimatter for military use. I believe a day will come When the new superpower on earth won't be who has the most nukes. But who has the most antimatter. Antimatter weapon - Wikipedia
 

Gambeir

Celestial
The thing about Michio that always threw me is Kaku has the same issue I seem to have. He gets far to heated in serious debates. While this is unprofessional, I don't think anyone expects less of me. I'm not a professional, But to see Kaku do this, Is unsettling.

I've not seen him riled up so I can imagine that would be unexpected but it's an illusion that professionals don't get very hot in their exchanges. I know a guy who is an interpreter for the Lazy B (Boeing) who travels the world. So I asked him about his job and somehow or other he explained that the hardest part was dealing with the heated exchanges. Now this was very surprising to me, and so I asked what do mean? "Oh, well ya know these scientist's they get so angry and start calling each other names."

What do you mean calling each other names I asked? " Oh ya know, things like look you stupid Mother XXXX, and so on and so forth. LOL~

I'm serious, that's what he told me and so the hard part is trying to keep the whole supposed meeting on moving ahead because you know it's part of his job. Evidently it's why they have to hire in~house instead of contracting interpreters.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I've not seen him riled up so I can imagine that would be unexpected but it's an illusion that professionals don't get very hot in their exchanges. I know a guy who is an interpreter for the Lazy B (Boeing) who travels the world. So I asked him about his job and somehow or other he explained that the hardest part was dealing with the heated exchanges. Now this was very surprising to me, and so I asked what do mean? "Oh, well ya know these scientist's they get so angry and start calling each other names."

What do you mean calling each other names I asked? " Oh ya know, things like look you stupid Mother XXXX, and so on and so forth. LOL~

I'm serious, that's what he told me and so the hard part is trying to keep the whole supposed meeting on moving ahead because you know it's part of his job. Evidently it's why they have to hire in~house instead of contracting interpreters.
This is not his most brazen example. But, He is known for this behavior apparently

 

Gambeir

Celestial
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Thanks for jumping in Gambeir; the black triangles are fascinating. I chatted with a man from Canada over at The Paracast forums who saw a weird ball of plasma hovering above the treeline by the road one night, and as he watched, it turned into a sleek black triangle with rounded edges, which then darted out of sight. Alternativively, it may have simply emerged from some kind of portal that simply looked like a ball of electrified plasma, he wasn't sure. He sounded very sincere to me. If his account is true, then there’s zero chance that what he saw was human technology. And yes, the fact that we humans are powerless to defend against such technology is pretty frightening. Thankfully, they don’t seem to be terribly hostile. But if they’re associated with the abduction phenomenon, then I’d say that’s a pretty hostile scenario: not lethal, apparently, but it’s still kidnapping, and nonconsensual medical and/or psychological experimentation.

The thing is Thomas that I'm not buying the alien vehicle meme. There's nothing I saw which in least told me this was an machine which humans could not create, especially when you add up the money which has been dumped wholesale in to the defense industry for the last 75 years.

In one instance alone, the American taxpayer put 2 Billion + dollars in to a supposedly failed project, the A7 Avenger and what we got for that was a junked plywood mock~up and some released drawings.
https://www.aereo.jor.br/2018/03/25/a-saga-do-a-12-avenger-ii-da-mcdonnell-douglas-general-dynamics/
Here's what the American People got for 2 Billion Dollars
r/WeirdWings - McDonnell Douglas A-12 Avenger II, $2Bil spent and all we got was this Mockup (AIC)

Yet again, so...oooo...poor that we have to beg for money to help vets without limbs huh? Killing to bring democracy to others is a worthy cause I'm sure, but seriously the US Army isn't already getting enough money? Now they have to beg because of what? Because crooks are running the American Government?
WWP | Veterans Charity Organization: Nonprofit Help for Wounded Military

I tell ya, you're living in criminal enterprise that's hijacked the government and is strip mining the people and they are doing it for a reason.


Our money has been spent on creating an alternate civilization. We need to realize that truth and to figure out how to get control over the situation. We need to at least come up with some plausible explanations for how this technology which I saw first hand could work.

In my opinion a good place to begin looking would be at mass cancellation.

There was no plasmoid ball in my observation, though I've seen many of these in the night sky, as have many others in this area and there's extensive photo's and video's of those. Those are never seen to move at speed like this triangular ship moved at.

It's about 10 miles by the way the crow flies from my house to McCord AFB, and I have a clear view that direction, which is the direction it took. It covered that space in about 1 or 1.5 seconds. If you had blinked you would have thought it vanished as it moves that fast. I'm guessing it moved somewhere between Mach 20 to Mach 40+ in under 2 seconds.

This appeared to me to be a very Acute Triangular shape. I only saw it for about 2 or 3 seconds and quite by chance. I saw no tail fins on this machine, but then it was almost directly overhead. I just happened to step outside and look up at this huge tree and just off to the side and about 600 feet up was this triangular black ship just sitting there silently hovering. In the blink of an eye it just lit out at incredible speed. Not like anything I've ever seen, not even a meteor, it was basically invisible once it moved: It was that fast.

Now, the way I approach a mystery is to look at the known facts. The first fact is we have huge and nearly entirely secret civilization that's been financed by the people of the United States for 3/4ths of a century and consuming a huge portion of the GDP of the US and it's Allies.
 
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