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That's too lofty a concept for my peasant brain, sorry.
I have the brain of a peasant and I got it. He doesn't care about our feelings anymore, just about what matters. As the leader of the free world, whatever next.
That's too lofty a concept for my peasant brain, sorry.
Now I am convinced you ARE a genius.That is a compliment but I am sure I am around just below average. I have wasted an awful lot of time justifying why we do what we do and complain about what ever we end up doing.
It took seven minutes for Jamal Khashoggi to die, a Turkish source who has listened in full to an audio recording of the Saudi journalist's last moments told Middle East Eye.
Khashoggi was dragged from the Consul General’s office at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul and onto the table of his study next door, the Turkish source said.
Horrendous screams were then heard by a witness downstairs, the source said.
"The consul himself was taken out of the room. There was no attempt to interrogate him. They had come to kill him,” the source told MEE.
The screaming stopped when Khashoggi - who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate on 2 October - was injected with an as yet unknown substance.
Salah Muhammad al-Tubaigy, who has been identified as the head of forensic evidence in the Saudi general security department, was one of the 15-member squad who arrived in Ankara earlier that day on a private jet.
Tubaigy began to cut Khashoggi’s body up on a table in the study while he was still alive, the Turkish source said.
The killing took seven minutes, the source said.
Now I am convinced you ARE a genius.
It's a matter of National security, He was there on our behalf, He was our responsibility, The problem is, if we don't react this isn't just a sign of weakness, it's a literal weakness, he was there on behalf of America, He was an ambassador of America, They didn't just kill him, They where making a statement to the US, using him.I don't know how others may take this, but I don't think Khashoggi's fate is any business of the U.S. He was a Saudi citizen killed by the Saudis on Saudi territory (its embassy). I'm sure the Saudi government kills many of its citizens all the time.
For that matter, the U.S. kills it's citizens abroad sometimes using drone strikes.
Although Khashoggi was a green card holder, he was not, to me knowledge, working on behalf of the United States government.
Although I don't condone the killing of journalists, one journalist's death does not to me justify the frenzy and outrage that presently exists. Just because Turkey is freaked out over his death, that doesn't mean America should be. It seems that Turkey, along with the media, is fanning the flames of anger over and above what it should be.
Could you please provide some evidence for the above statements?He was there on our behalf, He was our responsibility...he was there on behalf of America, He was an ambassador of America
To provide evidence I'd have to dig deeper into politics than I really want too, Politics suck. I'm gonna pass on that, But, The Washington Post isn't an Afghanistan organization and he was working under that banner, by textbook definition that makes him an official ambassador I'd think. in short, A Member of The Washington post, Was slaughtered there. That won't really stand, That's why people are making a huge deal out of this...Could you please provide some evidence for the above statements?
From what I have read, he was an employee of the Washington Post, nothing more.
The Washington Post is a private corporation, not an official organ of the United States. Working for that company in no way entails that he is representing America in any way.To provide evidence Id have to dig deeper into politics than I really want too, Politics suck. I'm gonna pass on that, But, The Washington Post isn't an Afghanistan organization and he was working under that banner, by textbook definition that makes him an official ambassador I'd think. in short, A Member of The Washington post, Was slaughtered there. That won't really stand, That's why people are making a huge deal out of this...
Not on an official capacity, But you have to gauge the room around you brother. People aren't taking this lightly, it has people scrambling for answers, This killing was a statement toward the U.S in my opinion, As I said, It's national security, This was a statement made toward the U.S. If someone slaps someone in public, That's a statement, "He was our boy". He lived here in the Us " I think, Don't quote me on that, Still he worked for Us, That makes him one of ours. This is how the U.S thinks, It's not rocket science.The Washington Post is a private corporation, not an official organ of the United States. Working for that company in no way entails that he is representing America in any way.
The media and Turkey, along with some politicians, are in an uproar, but it's just not justified. Just because he lived in America, he was a Saudi citizen, not an American citizen. As much as the Washington Post would like everyone to think that they represent America, they don't. He was not our boy. He was an anti-Saudi-government activist. Saudi Arabia is one of our strategic allies. His activities against Saudi Arabia were not actions on behalf of the United States. They represented his personal ideology and that of Saudi Arabia's rivals.Not on an official capacity, But you have to gauge the room around you brother. People aren't taking this lightly, it has people scrambling for answers, This killing was a statement toward the U.S in my opinion, As I said, It's national security, This was a statement made toward the U.S. If someone slaps someone in public, That's a statement, "He was our boy". He lived here in the Us " I think, Don't quote me on that, Still he worked for Us, That makes him one of ours. This is how the U.S thinks, It's not rocket science.
I get what you are saying, And you are totally entitled to think that. The problem is, When it comes to politics, I'm not at the same level with that subject as I am science and math, I am lacking in my understanding on political issues, mostly because I've spent my life ignoring politics,The media and Turkey, along with some politicians, are in an uproar, but it's just not justified. Just because he lived in America, he was a Saudi citizen, not an American citizen. As much as the Washington Post would like everyone to think that they represent America, they don't. He was not our boy. He was an anti-Saudi-government activist. Saudi Arabia is one of our strategic allies. His activities against Saudi Arabia were not actions on behalf of the United States. They represented his personal ideology and that of Saudi Arabia's rivals.
I appreciate your honesty.I get what you are saying, And you are totally entitled to think that. The problem is, When it comes to politics, I'm not at the same level with that subject as I am science and math, I am lacking in my understanding on political issues, mostly because I've spent my life ignoring politics,
but, When it comes to politics, You are basically speaking to a middle school student who doesn't understand the issues.
No one should ever take my political opinions and give them the same regard as my scientific ones. Because I simply don't understand a subject so illogical as politics honestly :/
Distinctions must be made, I realize I've gone on record stating that I don't really know a lot about politics, And that's true, But, is it the Saudi Arabian State that is the real problem or is it just the people who are currently in charge. All this conflict has people worldwide rationalizing things with emotion and biases. I make a lot of assumptions when it comes to politics because there's a lot I don't really know. My assumption is, There is some underline reason we have the relationship that we do with Saudi Arabia, just aiming at the common denominator I assume it's got something to do with all that Oil.We are all free to take whatever opinion of the matter we wish, but imagine if the Saudis committed this act at their embassy in Washington: They killed a Saudi journalist who entered their embassy, and then transported the body parts outside of the embassy to be buried in the grounds of the ambassador's residence in the city. The US government would create an almighty fuss over such a thing, so I do not think that Turkey is exaggerating the matter.
Khashoggi was a Saudi of Turkish extraction and, by reports, on good terms with the Turkish president, Erdogan. Turkey is also a NATO member and US military ally. They are a partner country in the F-35 fighter programme, responsible for much of the maintenance on all of the F-35s delivered to NATO partners in Europe. Not to say that Turkey's Erdogan is an angel. But if we are going simply on the basis of ties to the United States to determine who should be backed, Turkey also have a strong claim.
I think the relationship between many western countries and Saudi Arabia needs to be re-examined and I welcome that this event has caused the press to take greater note of the matter and to express outrage at the rulers of that country. If it leads to even a slight weakening of the servile relationship we all have with the dreadful Saudi Arabian state, so much the better.