What got you into Aliens

Rick Hunter said:

Kchoo, I probably asked you this on AH already so please forgive me. Have you read any of Whitley Strieber's books on his experiences and conclusions? If so, do they line up with yours in any way?

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I read 'Communion' when I started seeing my past experiences connecting...

His encounters confirmed some things to me. I was never carried off by short aliens, or frightened as he was...

My experience seemed more natural and designed to proress me slowly to accepting them. I did see 3 Greys once, in a fashion eerily similar to Streiber, but they didnt do anything... And at the time, I dismissed it as dteam, but never really forgot it... I drew a picture of the shape of their heads and eyes for my brother and he didnt say much... His fist reaction was "Oooohhh..."

I asked if they were bad or good...

He said opinions vary... And personally didnt think they were bad.. But he wasnt sure if they were good either...he didnt know enough about them to say...

"But you saw them?"

"Maybe... Hard to say...
Had a dream.."

Streibers image on the cover of Comunion is what they looked like. .. that is why I read it.

Regarding contact cases and the 'grey' appearance to the aliens (and there seem to be several basic grey forms but all with the classic grey look) that many/most seem to have had 'contact' with...., the biological structure and similarity to the human fetus is very strange to say the least. This has been talked about by many thoughtful ufologists and researchers over the years including Dr Vallee in several of his later books. This is unlikely in that all exo-biologists and others in the biological fields think that aliens would have most likely taken a different evolutionary path than humans and would look different to us. Yet the greys and of course the Nordics look almost exactly like humans. Again the odds of this are staggering in the context of evolution on another planet. So how do we account for this anomaly? Some would use the speculative idea that we look like them due to past genetic manipulation but this is again pure speculation with no evidence on a science level to support it.
So where do we go with this regarding analysis of this enigma? Is it possible that the resemblance to a human fetus is about something other than they actual biological form? Could it be a human archetype that we are experiencing when one 'sees' an 'alien' and not an actual alien at all? Is this about human consciousness and the collective mind/consciousness and not about real space aliens? Is this a 'psychic phenomenon' and not a real phenomenon in actual space and time?
So far (as far as I know...) no one has produced any objective physical material or data for science to examine to prove that we are dealing with real beings. Plenty of people claim the 'government' has evidence yet none of it has even been available in the public domain. This has been the situation for many decades now so at this point where do we go for answers and shouldn't we be looking into alternative possibilities?

I can only say that there are experiences with greys, reptillian, and nordics, during daylight, on the ground, here on Earth.. proof is not there to anyone else, but it made me believe...

This happened.

A physical reality, not in halucenation, not in false memory, not in dreams...

Kchoo said:

I can only say that there are experiences with greys, reptillian, and nordics, during daylight, on the ground, here on Earth.. proof is not there to anyone else, but it made me believe...

This happened.

A physical reality, not in halucenation, not in false memory, not in dreams...

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These are your experiences?

I often wonder why those who have claimed to have contact with 'aliens' (some claim repeated contact) have never asked them for proof....a picture, some dna, an article of clothing...anything to justify the claims. Are the 'aliens' uncooperative or.....what?

dr wu said:

I often wonder why those who have claimed to have contact with 'aliens' (some claim repeated contact) have never asked them for proof....a picture, some dna, an article of clothing...anything to justify the claims. Are the 'aliens' uncooperative or.....what?

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I've been told more times than I can remember that they have pictures...but they can't show them to anyone.

Castle-Yankee54 said:

I've been told more times than I can remember that they have pictures...but they can't show them to anyone.

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That's interesting...I haven't really heard that explanation before.
Regarding Kchoo, I hope he doesn't take our exploration of these claims in a negative manner. Without more information on who the contactee really is, their situation, a detailed examination of the claims, any evidence, etc , it's very hard to simply accept it at face value.

dr wu said:

That's interesting...I haven't really heard that explanation before.
Regarding Kchoo, I hope he doesn't take our exploration of these claims in a negative manner. Without more information on who the contactee really is, their situation, a detailed examination of the claims, any evidence, etc , it's very hard to simply accept it at face value.

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That's why I was asking him.

Castle-Yankee54 said:

These are your experiences?

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Yes.

I agree, dr wu, Jacques Vallee does indeed make a compelling case regarding the alien abduction phenomenon. I think his basic premise is a good one -- the fact that we don't fully understand how are own brains work. He and his supporters talk about how the alien mythology has become so iconic and universal that we all have it embedded in our minds whether we know it consciously or not.

What I think is most interesting, however, is that we do not widely recognize what may be universally missing. Why do we rarely, if ever, hear stories about encounters with alien robots? Science fiction is full of robots every where you look, for instance, yet alien abductees never seem to report seeing them. Seems a significant omission to me.

dr wu said:

That's interesting...I haven't really heard that explanation before.
Regarding Kchoo, I hope he doesn't take our exploration of these claims in a negative manner. Without more information on who the contactee really is, their situation, a detailed examination of the claims, any evidence, etc , it's very hard to simply accept it at face value.

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It kind of goes like this...
"Can I have proof of some kind?"

"Like what? Hair and blood doesn't work, because the scientists either hoard the information to themselves, discrediting it by that very act, or reject the test results as false.

Metals dont work, because what we can provide is regarded as nothing unusual... "

"How about a public concert, put on by Aliens... Nobody would ignore that"

"We have done that... Our ships have appeared over stadiums, we announced our presence on television... Nobody believed it... Everybody thought it was just part of some gimmic or show... Cool effects...
Close Encounters and E.T. are the best you can do to acknowledge we exist... We were excited about that, but then, it was just cool hollywood... Nobody believes any if it was based on real events.... You have pictures... By police, and credible people... You have testimonies, and books by people who passed lie detector tests, yet, nobody believes that... My question to you, is, when will humans be ready for the proof?"

Sheltie said:

I agree, dr wu, Jacques Vallee does indeed make a compelling case regarding the alien abduction phenomenon. I think his basic premise is a good one -- the fact that we don't fully understand how are own brains work. He and his supporters talk about how the alien mythology has become so iconic and universal that we all have it embedded in our minds whether we know it consciously or not.

What I think is most interesting, however, is that we do not widely recognize what may be universally missing. Why do we rarely, if ever, hear stories about encounters with alien robots? Science fiction is full of robots every where you look, for instance, yet alien abductees never seem to report seeing them. Seems a significant omission to me.

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There have been a handful of cases with 'robots'......the Pascagoula case comes to mind and there are a few others.
And I think the robot scenario was more prevalent in the past indicating perhaps that the zeitgeist has altered over time.
Our cultural expectations have changed and so have our myths and memes. Jung talked about this in the late 50's in his book UFOS: A Modern Myth of things seen in the sky.
If ufos and aliens are archetypes from the collective unconscious then it's changing over time as humans change their ideas about things. This is the area that interests me the most....the social and psychological aspects to the ufo enigma. How does it impact what people see and experience? I also recommend....Daimonic Reality by Harpur.

Do you reject the lie detector test of the guys in the story from 'Fire in the Sky?' .
Do you deny that a man disapeared for days after his friends testiimony that he was seen floating up into the ship?

Do you deny the Roswell crash testimony of credible people?

That the photos of nordic and greys and their ships exist and are real proof?
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That a man collected a hair from a nordic type that was attached to his private and had it tested?

Do you deny that British Television was taken over by Aliens broadcasting a confirmation?

What kind of proof will you accept?

Its always good to be able to peer review such claims......as a scientist I do not believe things in a manner similar to a religious belief system.

If I said I climbed Mount Everest with a yeti I'd expect to be called out on it.

Castle-Yankee54 said:

Its always good to be able to peer review such claims......as a scientist I do not believe things in a manner similar to a religious belief system.

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I've heard of most if not all of those cases...though he did not name some of them....but it would be nice to have some links so we can discuss them.
-The Walton case has nothing but anecdotal material...no actual evidence. So this is one based on faith only.
-The Roswell case is more known but again there is no physical evidence at this point to examine and again we only have anecdotal material now. I do think something crashed there but I highly doubt it was alien.
-I know of no genuine photos of Nordics or greys that have ever been proven and those of any ships are also open to question.
-The dna hair case must be the Australian one from Chalker many years ago and from what I know it was not conclusive that it was alien in any way but it was an unusual human genome.
-I'm not sure what Brit tv show is being referred to...but there was a case where the air waves were hijacked many years ago and there was a weird presentation but I know of no one other than hard core 'bleevers' who thinks it was legit and was real aliens. Most serious ufologists and researchers think it was a hoax. I'm not sure of their reasons but there are probably several articles online.

No doubt something crashed at Roswell......but even Marcell would not have recognized the materials as he wasn't read into the project. Just because he was an intelligence officer at one base doesn't mean he'd be told about secret projects at other bases. There is that thing in the military called "need to know".

I remember chalker coming to AU years ago....and he was another rude moron who never wanted to give out his alleged DNA evidence. He remided me of mikey horn of the meier cult and one of "doctor" reeds followers named odisialinker.

This is all you can get. I am sorry. I have no answers. May be I am even mentally ill, it might be one of the options

I'm looking for answers......and I'm not hear to answer other peoples questions.....just mine. However, I'm willing to review information and give my conclusion of it.

Strange how survival of a species does not also take us to levels of perfect adaptation.

True, some plants only grow in very specific conditions.

True, animals do have allergies too.

But doesnt that seem strange? If we all evolved here from the beginning, wouldnt we be perfectly adapted already?