Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

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GhostofBiedny

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All this criticism and I think Gene still believes he's dealing with less savvy posters than himself on Usenet. He gets it, we don't. He just needs to dismiss us as trolls and "the hate pack"; he can even spin the criticisms as attacks which both minimizes their legitimacy, but still lets him play victim.

I don't think he gets the dynamic he's actually in, both in real life and on the Internet.

Turdboy's opinion of his own abilities is so inflated in its grandiosity that he believes objective reality is irrelevant to him because he can use his supreme intellect to change it.

Never has there been a such a huge gulf between subject belief and objective reality.

Turdy McTurdface is the very definition of Dunning–Kruger effect.
 

DavidVincent

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That’s on the TechNightOwl store - I’ve even chatted to him a few nights ago as I’ve said previously. It’s kinda fun as he does give little snippets away. Give it a try, but don’t put in your email address unless you want to be a GS donor

He looks a bit like that kid out of "Mad" magazine - which is quite apt ! :)
 

Standingstones

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He looks a bit like that kid out of "Mad" magazine - which is quite apt ! :)
Anders will surely find out as everyone who has had dealings with Steinberg, you will get burned badly at the end of the day. How long will you do freebies for Steinberg? We all know he never pays anyone for services rendered. Oh well, there are plenty of stupid people in the world.
 
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DavidVincent

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Is this him? This person is from Denmark.
Anders Dietz

Well that’s what he claimed when I was talking with him on the chatline, but that all orders were dispatched from the USA and that GS didn’t handle any of the cash - Anders being solely responsible for the “finances”- but whether that’s his picture who know’s
 

goblin

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Is it my imagination or have both Anders and J. Randall Murphy come across at times like they are somehow doing charitable work by helping out Gene? Not giving him money but trying to help him make money other ways so he can feel good about that and stop begging?

As if he would ever stop begging.
 

GhostofBiedny

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Is it my imagination or have both Anders and J. Randall Murphy come across at times like they are somehow doing charitable work by helping out Gene? Not giving him money but trying to help him make money other ways so he can feel good about that and stop begging?

As if he would ever stop begging.

I think Anders has said that but Randall (as far as I remember) thinks Gene's begging is fine and the only rational response to being "poor".

I've never heard him suggest any other ways for Gene to make money instead he puts that burden on anyone who is critical of what Gene does.

The "if you can't suggest an alternative then you aren't helping" argument - which clearly ignores the copious amounts of advice all of us have given Turdboy only for him to reject it and become defensive.
 

DavidVincent

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Is it my imagination or have both Anders and J. Randall Murphy come across at times like they are somehow doing charitable work by helping out Gene? Not giving him money but trying to help him make money other ways so he can feel good about that and stop begging?

As if he would ever stop begging.

Anders says he's aware of GS's reputation and bad image presence on the internet, his begging etc - but he sees this as a way of him helping him to have a legitimate income so that he no longer has to beg. Some hope! :)
 

DavidVincent

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I think Anders has said that but Randall (as far as I remember) thinks Gene's begging is fine and the only rational response to being "poor".

I've never heard him suggest any other ways for Gene to make money instead he puts that burden on anyone who is critical of what Gene does.

The "if you can't suggest an alternative then you aren't helping" argument - which clearly ignores the copious amounts of advice all of us have given Turdboy only for him to reject it and become defensive.

I think that JRM is just some ultra socialist/utopian kook - and almost as big a life-failure as GS. Anders is much younger and probably thinks he has a high level of business and IT acumen - he actually admires GS and just thinks he's been going through a period of bad luck and with a little help can get back into the "big time" :)
 

GiantsBain

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Today at 1:02 AM
#1

Alejandro Rojas returns as this week's guest on The Paracast. That's this Friday Feb 8, 2019 between 4 and 6 pm. Alejandro is well known in the ufology community for his longstanding positive contribution to the field including his many media and conference appearances. His most visible contributions are with Open Minds TV: Alejandro Rojas | Openminds.tv

Post your questions, comments, or points you'd like to hear us discuss below.
Most of the guests on that show seem to cranks and codgers who could be forgiven their unwitting support of Steinberg. If you still follow it, why not drop a link or two on Alejandro Rojas? Make sure his support is witting, at the very least.
 

GiantsBain

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Lol ! from trail!

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    AnonymousFebruary 7, 2019 at 6:06 PM
    Reading the now hundreds and hundreds of these letters, The target market can only be some new and unsuspecting sucker from his forum mail-list. Someone whos just signed up and with no vast body of reference such as documented here and other places, actually buys the BS and sends money.
    People who have previously "helped" have most likely done so in that context. A one off helping hand, for what looks like an unexpected and sudden hardship.

    No one is going to sign up for a regular weekly donation, a tithed percentage of their own weekly income.
    If in fact he could con just 7 people into giving him 100 dollars a week, every week. His motel bills and food would be paid for free and clear.

    But once you've read a half dozen or so of these, alarm bells go off. Once you realise that its been hundreds of them over a span of years, you know its a scam.

    These are clearly aimed like spam or a phishing scam at some unsuspecting newbie. You see this playing out in the paranormal Davey saga.

    Like sweet sue, hes hoping for his along came Jones moment, some unsuspecting sucker like Torson to give him a huge amount of money.

    Until then

    A bad motel manager called Salty Sam was chasin' poor Sweet Sueberg
    He trapped him in the old sawmill and said with an evil laugh,
    "If you don't Pay me by 11AM
    I'll saw you all in half!"
    And then he grabbed him (and then)
    He tied him up (and then)
    He turned on the bandsaw (and then, and then!)

    And then along came Jones.....

    Salty Sam was tryin' to stuff Sweet Sueberg in a burlap sack
    He said, "if you don't pay your storage bills
    I'm gonna throw you on the railroad tracks!"
    And then he grabbed him (and then)
    He tied him up (and then)
    He threw him on the railroad tracks (and then)
    A train started comin' (and then, and then!)

    And then along came Jones....

    When you look at the totality of these messages its the same old shoot-'em-up and the same old rodeo, day after day, week after week, year after year. Who could take it seriously. Whos his target market ?

    Like a phishing scam its that one gullible person,out of hundreds of email recipients unaware its all a scam. The BIL did it to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    So keep posting, keep the name Gene Steinberg high in the google rankings as a scammer. Keep using disposable socks to warn new forum members.

    The time you donate to this matter is the only "worthy cause" in this sad saga.
'Tis true. His is a phishing scam pure and simple. It's just that he's using an old list with very little "new meat." I don't think anyone needs to fret that he's getting paid behind it. Sure, a few bucks once in a while. But the behavioral principles behind this kind of thing have been well understood for years. Even one response every couple of months is enough to keep this going--especially given that his sunk costs are zero and his cost of doing business is zero.
 

DavidVincent

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Most of the guests on that show seem to cranks and codgers who could be forgiven their unwitting support of Steinberg. If you still follow it, why not drop a link or two on Alejandro Rojas? Make sure his support is witting, at the very least.

actually I did send an email expressing my surprise at his upcoming appearance and asking whether he'd done any due diligence at all - was he either unaware or just dismissive? no reply so far
 

Lance

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Alejandro Rojas made a fool of himself supporting the transparent fraud, Stan Romanek. See his breathless and embarrassing fanboy appearance in the ridiculous documentary on the pedophile creep. Even worse, Rojas showed just how gullible and moronic he was the same film as he stupidly puzzles over how a camera that Romenek controlled the ENTIRE time (!) contained a dumb photo that Romenek claimed was an alien girl and then Rojas dully marvels how the image was deleted (while Stan continued to control the camera unmonitored the entire fucking time) before it could be subjected to scrutiny.

Extraordinary: The Stan Romanek Story | Netflix

UFO believers get the "researchers" they deserve.
 

GhostofBiedny

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Most of the guests on that show seem to cranks and codgers who could be forgiven their unwitting support of Steinberg. If you still follow it, why not drop a link or two on Alejandro Rojas? Make sure his support is witting, at the very least.

I'm pretty sure he knows as others have reached out to him prior to previous appearances. I honestly think he doesn't care.
 

Richard

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Most of the guests on that show seem to cranks and codgers who could be forgiven their unwitting support of Steinberg. If you still follow it, why not drop a link or two on Alejandro Rojas? Make sure his support is witting, at the very least.

I sent him a tweet that this was the final nail in the coffin for me and will no longer follow him on any of the media platforms he is on.

In the mean time my list of websites and podcasts that i follow is getting shorter each time one of them appears on the paracrud, if they go on that show and without a doubt they know of his shenanigans then they are just as bad as GS or worse in my eyes.
 

DavidVincent

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I sent him a tweet that this was the final nail in the coffin for me and will no longer follow him on any of the media platforms he is on.

In the mean time my list of websites and podcasts that i follow is getting shorter each time one of them appears on the paracrud, if they go on that show and without a doubt they know of his shenanigans then they are just as bad as GS or worse in my eyes.


The ones worth following in this field get fewer all the time unfortunately. I’d like to hear his take on it though as I did listen to his podcast but lately his gig has been more about merchandising and paid events. I like Martin Willis podcast ufo, and Greg Bishop (although he’s appeared), Howard Hughes (unexplained).
 

nivek

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I sent him a tweet that this was the final nail in the coffin for me and will no longer follow him on any of the media platforms he is on.

In the mean time my list of websites and podcasts that i follow is getting shorter each time one of them appears on the paracrud, if they go on that show and without a doubt they know of his shenanigans then they are just as bad as GS or worse in my eyes.

I totally agree, I could give a rats ass about Scamberg's podcast and those who enable him and appear on their show knowing what he does speaks volumes to me...

It's a damn shame he destroyed his forum and membership base, there is no recovery there, it's now just a trap for him to con unsuspecting new members, that's all he can hope for now...There is little to no value in that that place, believe me I've did some research into that, he has singlehandedly destroyed all value and reputation in the paracast, I don't know why people bother posting there...imo

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