Aliens may be rearranging stars to fight dark energy, awesome study suggests

[AlienView]

Just found this:

"Astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev first proposed these three phases (called Level I, II and III) of galactic expansion — which he referred to as the three "types" of technologically advanced civilizations — in 1962 as a way to measure the energy consumption of increasingly powerful societies. According to the author of the paper Dan Hooper, a senior scientist at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Illinois and a professor of astronomy and astrophysics at the University of Chicago, harvesting energy from distant stars isn't just the best way to increase a civilization's available resources — it's also the only way to prevent the ever-expanding universe from leaving that civilization totally alone in the vastness of space......"

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Aliens may be rearranging stars to fight dark energy, awesome study suggests


Still you might ask them to prove it - Any solid evidence? - Or just more alien speculation?

 

[Jr35rain]

Cheers, nice find!

 

[ImmortalLegend527]

Lol, mortals. Once the moon starts rearranging ,well, you'll see!

 

[spacecase0]

I am not sure anyone is doing that right now,
but a good idea for the future humans

 

[Thomas R. Morrison]

It's a fun idea, but I can't help but think that by the time a civilization reaches the point where it can tow large stars from one galaxy to another, that they'll have figured out far more effective methods for acquiring the energy they need. Because at that level of advancement, fusion would probably seem rather quaint and inefficient. Fusion only converts about 1/1000th of the rest mass-energy of matter into energy. But if you could figure out a way to turn matter into antimatter, then you could harness 100% of the rest mass-energy in matter. And who knows what else may be possible? We're still pretty much n00bs in the areas of science and technology. A billion years down the road, I'm sure that our most ambitious concepts of today will seem silly and incredibly primitive.

And the cosmic acceleration attributed to dark energy doesn't pose any problems for an advanced alien species that possesses the kind of gravitation field propulsion technology that we've been observing in our skies for decades (and quite possibly for centuries and eons). Because that technology is capable of faster-than-light travel, according to theory anyway. So they'll have access to wherever they want to go, even when the cosmic horizon makes it impossible to see the galaxy clusters receding away from their position.

So by both of those arguments, a civilization that advanced doesn't need to start hoarding stars.

 

[Gambeir]

What I object to is the presentation of these ideas like they are facts. These ideas these guys are working off of are not facts. There's counter arguments equally valid and some of em are whole lot more logical than the ones these people are suggesting are real.

The way Universe works is highly debatable. It's a mistake to be reading stuff like this and not questioning it. This idea that just because someone is brilliant in one field makes them an expert all round is a bankrupt notion. There's more than one Mensa member sitting in a jail cell right now who thought they were smarter than some flat foot who probably had a high school degree and a couple semesters at a community college: OK? Just because the guy has got the title of senior scientist doesn't make him any more logical or rationale that anyone else, least of all people whose profession is entirely devoted to critical reasoning.

Dark matter and dark energy is a highly questionable proposition you would do well to question instead of gulping down, because among other things it's origins have to do with a black hole in the accepted ideas these same experts in this story are working off of.

This story about dark matter/energy had to be created don't ya see. This is cover story for science that doesn't work, because without doing that the entire officially approved versions of astrophysics along with some lesser subjects are in danger of collapsing.

We have a long established existing narrative of how Universe works, and suddenly someone comes along and say's hey, I just completed a study and did all the math and we don't have enough matter in the Universe for our theories to work. There's just not enough matter out there to explain how the Galaxy stays together: Meaning there's not enough matter to explain how gravity is the operative feature.

Now think about that because this is a crisis. It's like a cancer that suddenly was threatening everything. So a solution had to be found and like magic we now have a load of manure called dark matter and dark energy.

You have to understand what revising our knowledge means. Every astrophysicist who's employed in the corporate operated education systems would suddenly know no more than the freshman students signing up for a 101 course and that's a problem of mega proportions which extends far beyond these so called institutions of highly dubious learning. This is about maintaining a pay to know world where truth is disposable.

See, if we don't have enough matter in the Universe than what's keeping the Galaxy together because it cannot be gravity! You have a fricking problem on your hands and every academic book out there is now in danger, every college, University, science class for the last 300 years has sold this idea about gravity and the clockwork Universe and now it's all wrong?

 

[AlienView]

What I object to is the presentation of these ideas like they are facts. These ideas these guys are working off of are not facts. There's counter arguments equally valid and some of em are whole lot more logical than the ones these people are suggesting are real.

The way Universe works is highly debatable...............

True but the same could be said for Einstein and Relativity - A theory at first that wasn't proven to be fact
until experimental data did so - years later.

I say let them reach for the stars - Every crazy theory is worth something - If not proven as fact,
you then have the basis for a good sci-fi story.

 

[Thomas R. Morrison]

What I object to is the presentation of these ideas like they are facts. These ideas these guys are working off of are not facts. There's counter arguments equally valid and some of em are whole lot more logical than the ones these people are suggesting are real.

The way Universe works is highly debatable. It's a mistake to be reading stuff like this and not questioning it. This idea that just because someone is brilliant in one field makes them an expert all round is a bankrupt notion. There's more than one Mensa member sitting in a jail cell right now who thought they were smarter than some flat foot who probably had a high school degree and a couple semesters at a community college: OK? Just because the guy has got the title of senior scientist doesn't make him any more logical or rationale that anyone else, least of all people whose profession is entirely devoted to critical reasoning.

Dark matter and dark energy is a highly questionable proposition you would do well to question instead of gulping down, because among other things it's origins have to do with a black hole in the accepted ideas these same experts in this story are working off of.

This story about dark matter/energy had to be created don't ya see. This is cover story for science that doesn't work, because without doing that the entire officially approved versions of astrophysics along with some lesser subjects are in danger of collapsing.

We have a long established existing narrative of how Universe works, and suddenly someone comes along and say's hey, I just completed a study and did all the math and we don't have enough matter in the Universe for our theories to work. There's just not enough matter out there to explain how the Galaxy stays together: Meaning there's not enough matter to explain how gravity is the operative feature.

Now think about that because this is a crisis. It's like a cancer that suddenly was threatening everything. So a solution had to be found and like magic we now have a load of manure called dark matter and dark energy.

You have to understand what revising our knowledge means. Every astrophysicist who's employed in the corporate operated education systems would suddenly know no more than the freshman students signing up for a 101 course and that's a problem of mega proportions which extends far beyond these so called institutions of highly dubious learning. This is about maintaining a pay to know world where truth is disposable.

See, if we don't have enough matter in the Universe than what's keeping the Galaxy together because it cannot be gravity! You have a fricking problem on your hands and every academic book out there is now in danger, every college, University, science class for the last 300 years has sold this idea about gravity and the clockwork Universe and now it's all wrong?

Sure - it's true that the popular science press is sticking with the dark matter and dark energy models. But science isn't actually some monolithic institution that promotes one idea and ignores the rest - I think that's a common and erroneous idea that many people have.

In truth, many theoretical physicists are proposing all kinds of fascinating alternative explanations for both of these effects. Many of them are looking at modifications to the general theory of relativity (our current model of gravitation), and others are looking at new theories of gravitation. Some are looking at intriguing ideas about the quantum vacuum to explain one or both of these effects. Behind the scenes, which is to say, in the scientific literature - all hell is breaking loose. The brightest minds on the planet are scrambling to find the right explanation. It's awesome.

Both of these effects are very real. I prefer to call them the "dark matter effect": and the "dark energy effect," because that's what we're seeing: real physical phenomena...of an unknown cause and nature. Just calling them "dark energy" and "dark matter" gives the illusion that we've settled on these tacit explanations - and that's not at all true. It's all being hotly debated amid an on-going stream of credible peer-reviewed scientific papers.

It's unlikely that some plumber with a GED is going to find the solution before a brilliant PhD, but it is possible. But however the solution is found, with regard to either or both effects, it's probably going to be a game-changer for theoretical physics. The Nobel Committee is ready to hand out awards when that happens.

So I see this as something to be excited about, and so do most people within the academic physics and astrophysics communities. We'll all eager to learn about the correct solution.

 

[Gambeir]

Sure - it's true that the popular science press is sticking with the dark matter and dark energy models. But science isn't actually some monolithic institution that promotes one idea and ignores the rest - I think that's a common and erroneous idea that many people have.

In truth, many theoretical physicists are proposing all kinds of fascinating alternative explanations for both of these effects. Many of them are looking at modifications to the general theory of relativity (our current model of gravitation), and others are looking at new theories of gravitation. Some are looking at intriguing ideas about the quantum vacuum to explain one or both of these effects. Behind the scenes, which is to say, in the scientific literature - all hell is breaking loose. The brightest minds in the planet are scrambling to find the right explanation. It's awesome.

Both of these effects are very real. I prefer to call them the "dark matter effect": and the "dark energy effect," because that's what we're seeing: real physical phenomena...of an unknown cause and nature. Just calling them "dark energy" and "dark matter" gives the illusion that we've settled on these tacit explanations - and that's not at all true. It's all being hotly debated amid an on-going stream of credible peer-reviewed scientific papers.

It's unlikely that some plumber with a GED is going to find the solution before a brilliant PhD, but it is possible. But however the solution is found, with regard to either or both effects, it's probably going to be a game-changer for theoretical physics. The Nobel Committee is ready to hand out awards when that happens.

So I see this as something to be excited about, and so do most people within the academic physics and astrophysics communities. We'll all eager to learn about the correct solution.

If only the authors could write as well and diplomatically as you are able to do. We are really blessed to have you here to fill in and to correct the errors I make and those of so called science writers.

 

[Gambeir]

Universe works without having to resort to black magic. Black holes and dark matter/dark energy are semantics. From my perspective what someone say's tells a story: Words can be telltale signals telegraphing a creative story line typical of the creative inventions of the criminal mind.

It takes a very clever person who can both still recognize a corrupted system and still be able to survive inside that same system. Very few once trapped find ways of fulfill their own personal goals and dreams that first lead them to these systems. This is what many people find themselves entrapped in today. Ask any school teacher and you're likely have some sense of this.

Dark matter/energy are not just words, but are part of a constructed lexicon of descriptive words intended to form mind programming ideas. These words predominate the officially approved version of the way Universe works and that truth is reflected in the fact these exact phrases came from the senior scientist at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, who is also a professor at the University of Chicago, which is not an unknown University by any means.

Like everyone else in this world these people have to survive, to pay the bills, and it's very clear that many people hold two points of view, their own private ones, and the ones which they allowed to vocalize least they find themselves looking for work.

The way our world works, like it or not, is that it is now a criminally corrupted system by way of NGO's. Most if not all governments across the planet are operated as a for profit enterprises and as extensions of these organizations. This translates in to a controlled dielect of intellectual speak for many within academia, because for the real rulers truth is a valued substance they have forbidden to the public, and so false constructs are willfully designed and marketed. It doesn't take that much to telegraph down the totem pole within any paycheck controlled system what is permitted and what isn't permitted. Anyone whose ever had a job knows that. Recognize that fact is what I am saying.

Because of the internet there is now a liberation and this upsetting development has lead to the formation of steering committees, and other un~elected officialdooms whom attempt a work around to the problem of freedom of information, and one way they do this is by essentially speaking over the voices of others; this is done through the use of officially approved experts whom are themselves ruled over with what amount to terrorist tactics. March outside the drum beat you're soon marching to your own drum beat on the street. So that's one angle and the other is of course to use the corrupted political minions to pass illegal laws controlling freedoms, which includes controls and deceptive methods on the internet itself.

So again the issue isn't one of actual science seeking truth, rather it's one of maintaining a steering wheel over knowledge and hence all the benefits that come with that sort of criminal minded thought, and it is criminological thinking whenever you have truth impeded by an established power structure.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Well, lets not forget money. Probably we can move Sun if we wanted, but it would be just too expensive.

I mean, lets just throw few well timed nukes into Sun and create some black spots that spew solar wind. So solar wind would nudge Sun in a desired direction. Apparently, nukes are quite cheap and its a good way to get rid of them.

 

[nivek]

Well, lets not forget money. Probably we can move Sun if we wanted, but it would be just too expensive.

I mean, lets just throw few well timed nukes into Sun and create some black spots that spew solar wind. So solar wind would nudge Sun in a desired direction. Apparently, nukes are quite cheap and its a good way to get rid of them.

Hello and welcome to AE...

...

 

[Kchoo]

Universe works without having to resort to black magic. Black holes and dark matter/dark energy are semantics. From my perspective what someone say's tells a story: Words can be telltale signals telegraphing a creative story line typical of the creative inventions of the criminal mind.

It takes a very clever person who can both still recognize a corrupted system and still be able to survive inside that same system. Very few once trapped find ways of fulfill their own personal goals and dreams that first lead them to these systems. This is what many people find themselves entrapped in today. Ask any school teacher and you're likely have some sense of this.

Dark matter/energy are not just words, but are part of a constructed lexicon of descriptive words intended to form mind programming ideas. These words predominate the officially approved version of the way Universe works and that truth is reflected in the fact these exact phrases came from the senior scientist at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, who is also a professor at the University of Chicago, which is not an unknown University by any means.

Like everyone else in this world these people have to survive, to pay the bills, and it's very clear that many people hold two points of view, their own private ones, and the ones which they allowed to vocalize least they find themselves looking for work.

The way our world works, like it or not, is that it is now a criminally corrupted system by way of NGO's. Most if not all governments across the planet are operated as a for profit enterprises and as extensions of these organizations. This translates in to a controlled dielect of intellectual speak for many within academia, because for the real rulers truth is a valued substance they have forbidden to the public, and so false constructs are willfully designed and marketed. It doesn't take that much to telegraph down the totem pole within any paycheck controlled system what is permitted and what isn't permitted. Anyone whose ever had a job knows that. Recognize that fact is what I am saying.

Because of the internet there is now a liberation and this upsetting development has lead to the formation of steering committees, and other un~elected officialdooms whom attempt a work around to the problem of freedom of information, and one way they do this is by essentially speaking over the voices of others; this is done through the use of officially approved experts whom are themselves ruled over with what amount to terrorist tactics. March outside the drum beat you're soon marching to your own drum beat on the street. So that's one angle and the other is of course to use the corrupted political minions to pass illegal laws controlling freedoms, which includes controls and deceptive methods on the internet itself.

So again the issue isn't one of actual science seeking truth, rather it's one of maintaining a steering wheel over knowledge and hence all the benefits that come with that sort of criminal minded thought, and it is criminological thinking whenever you have truth impeded by an established power structure.

This is of course, nothing new, but, I really like your presentation of it.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

Throw a few well timed BBs at a bulldozer and see how far you move it.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Throw a few well timed BBs at a bulldozer and see how far you move it.

Exactly, it can be done even with a bulldozer. If you have a perfect understanding of how bulldozer works you can move it with few BBs. Just fire BBs into some power switch, turn it on and off goes the bulldozer.

What I meant with "few nukes", one can find few super-nova simulations on YouTube. And these sims are done with amazing accuracy. We understand Sun's internal structure very well. If we, say, had a real time X-ray picture of Sun's internals, 100 years hence, it would be possible with just few nukes to nudge some internal process and cause black spot to spring out at a desired location.

 

[Toroid]

Welcome to AE.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

Exactly, it can be done even with a bulldozer. If you have a perfect understanding of how bulldozer works you can move it with few BBs. Just fire BBs into some power switch, turn it on and off goes the bulldozer.

What I meant with "few nukes", one can find few super-nova simulations on YouTube. And these sims are done with amazing accuracy. We understand Sun's internal structure very well. If we, say, had a real time X-ray picture of Sun's internals, 100 years hence, it would be possible with just few nukes to nudge some internal process and cause black spot to spring out at a desired location.

Sorry, my bad. I didn't realize this was a science fiction thread.

Remember the time Superman moved the Earth? Just by pushing on it! He was such a badass fifty years ago. As I recall, he even did it one handed. He might have been on the phone or something, it was a long time ago, but anyway he had this understated panache back then. I miss that.

 

[Gambeir]

This is of course, nothing new, but, I really like your presentation of it.

Thanks Kchoo, and what this really is saying is that the Capitalist System has now evolved in to another totalitarian system. Just like the ones the Soviets labored under where what you privately thought was vastly different from what you well allowed to speak. You understand that, but there's still lot's of others whom haven't figured this out just yet, but we do have a number of News Casters that have either quit or come out to proclaim how they were basically being puppets spewing lies from a teleprompter instead of actually doing reporting. Notice we don't call it New's Reporting any longer? That Key Word of Reporting/Reporter has been removed from the lexicon of the public mind. News is now just propaganda and investigative journalists seeking the truth are now conspiracy theorists.

 

[Gambeir]

Throw a few well timed BBs at a bulldozer and see how far you move it.

To re~arrange the stars would involve some highly unlikely attitudes since any civilization capable of doing that would really have no need to do so that I can logically understand, but hell, what do I know, I'm just some dumb ape on a far flung mud ball no one gives a rats ass about.

Our Milky Way Galaxy is a Spider Galaxy. It's called a Spider Galaxy in honor of Pyotr Leonidovich Kapitsa Pyotr Kapitsa - Wikipedia

Paraphrased from:
Electrical Charged Superfluid Plasma Cosmology: Kapitza Superfluid Jet Powered Spider Galaxy Cosmology Model

Space is composed of Hydrogen and Helium atoms. Stars are created inside of rivers of pure hydrogen, which are super~fluid rivers of pure hydrogen flowing out from the galactic core of our own Milky Way Galaxy, and these rivers are super~fluids made from of pure hydrogen which are the basis for Star Formation.

(1) Galaxy jets have already been proven to be electromagnetic ~MHD driven without need of gravity.
(2) There are no picky eating black holes. Proven cold inflows to galaxy centers with hot gas outflows.

"Spin rates of galaxy centers are quantized in discrete increments, causing all stars in almost every galaxy to have a constant orbital velocity around the center. This is the dark matter galaxy rotation speed paradigm requiring different percentages of dark matter for all galaxies. Superfluid galaxy centers all have quantized spin velocity, with spiral arm filaments having two components: (1) The normal matter component like gas and dust. (2) The counterflow or reverse direction superflow component in a countervortice state, connecting all stars to the galaxy center, and making each star orbit at the same speed or constant velocity. Faster spinning galaxies have faster star formation rates."

Just a bullet is spun, just as an American football is thrown; it's is the imparted spin to the projectile which produces a stabilized flight path. This so~called gyroscopic action is now described as a quantized spin when applied to a flowing super~fluid.

Quantized spin velocity of superfluids explains the galaxy rotation curve

Magnetized Plasma Ring in Rotation.

Superfluid earth labs have discovered everything real that a black hole is supposed to be doing:
(1) Superfluids absorb, trap, capture, or slow light speed way down in what is called a "Bose Einstein Condensate" which is a misinterpretation term used exclusively in relativity for laboratory superfluids.
(2) Superfluids form an insulating double layered "concealing accretion disk" where originate bipolar jets that carry electric currents and form Birkeland currents that shape the spinning galaxy.
(3) Superfluid helium forms spiral arm Kapitza filaments where stars form inside.
(4) Spinning superfluids carry the angular momentum in quantized vortices that carry electric currents that produce associated cosmic scale magnetic fields and vice versa.

 

[Gambeir]

Source:
Electrical Charged Superfluid Plasma Cosmology: Kapitza Superfluid Jet Powered Spider Galaxy Cosmology Model


Orthovortex countervortices in MHD have all four vector fields perfectly aligned.

Superfluid helium counterflow animation shows a friction free zero viscosity superflow in the opposite direction of normal gaseous dusty matter (read as plasma filament arms extending from the galactic core).


This counter flow is comprised of pure helium in a super~fluid state. A high energy Z~pinch on the flowing dusty plasma spiral arm can/does result in a fission process and the subsequent formation of a Star.

The two fluid model with MHD countervortices explains observations of superfluid vortices surrounding supernovas, and all vortex structures in galaxies.