Clinton rigged the Election

[nivek]

Claims are out now the Hillary rigged the DC election against Sanders to ensure she would win...

Donna Brazile: Team Hillary rigged the DNC to deny Bernie fair shot in primary.

Last year's presidential primary between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders was rigged - just as Sanders' supporters suspected - to hand the nomination to Clinton, according to a bombshell claim by Donna Brazile.

 

[dr wu]

If it's on FOX ...it must be true, and not fake news.

 

[nivek]

If it's on FOX ...it must be true, and not fake news.

I guess you can't Google to see for yourself this report is on just about every news source but disregard the CNN links because yes now there's fake news....

 

[August]

I wouldn't trust the Clintons as far as I could throw them.

 

[dr wu]

And the other half (or more ) wouldn't trust Trump as far as they could throw him.....looks like our two choices that ran for Pres are both sleazy self serving people.

btw..,,,,Clinton didn't rig the 'election ', she 'rigged' (she had some in the DNC committed to her before they voted on the DNC candidate) the Dem party congress so Sanders would be cut out as a potential candidate against Trump and this is not news....Sanders was shouting foul about this before the actual election.

 

[3FEL9]

And the other half (or more ) wouldn't trust Trump as far as they could throw him.....looks like our two choices that ran for Pres are both sleazy self serving people.

btw..,,,,Clinton didn't rig the 'election ', she 'rigged' (she had some in the DNC committed to her before they voted on the DNC candidate) the Dem party congress so Sanders would be cut out as a potential candidate against Trump and this is not news....Sanders was shouting foul about this before the actual election.

Perhaps its time to turn US into a monarchy.. King or Emperor ? Let the powers be inherited instead. No phony elections no more.

^^ Hillary given the news. Democrazy cancelled.

 

[dr wu]

^ The elections aren't 'phony' but they are bought and paid for in the sense that far too much money is spent to sway the voters. It would be a good start to put a cap on how much money can be spent and a limit on corporate donations to the parties. ..or none at all from corps. And lobbying should be outlawed or severely restricted. Let the candidates sink or swim based on what they can actually tell us about themselves without all the money hype and ads.
And we should probably allow the popular vote....it's time to get rid of the electoral college ; with all the media and cable tv etc people are well informed if they want to be and the college is no longer relevant. Clinton won the popular vote yet lost.....does that really make sense? (not an endorsement btw) And the same goes for Trump if he had won the actual vote. The college is supposed to make sure that those in less populous non urban states get represented but how is that fair if the majority don't vote that way..? So the candidate with the most votes loses so some one in Montana doesn't feel left out ?

Maybe we should let computers run the country...they certainly would be more logical.

 

[nivek]

The electoral college is important and must not be abolished or this country would be one step closer to mob rules and socialism...President Trump isn't the first one to win without winning the most popular votes, and it shows our system works...

 

[dr wu]

The electoral college is important and must not be abolished or this country would be one step closer to mob rules and socialism...President Trump isn't the first one to win without winning the most popular votes, and it shows our system works...

That's simply not correct....it would not be 'mob rules'...it would actually be true democracy. All state and local elections are by popular vote as they really should be.
The electoral college was originally instituted because the 'Founding Father's didn't really trust the people (education levels and other factors...) to elect someone that might be a bad person....or someone they didn't think should be in office. This was sort of a fail safe but it was never intended to thwart the will of the people and true democracy. We no longer need it and in fact it doesn't represent the people as we saw in Trump's case, who was not liked by the majority that voted across the nation yet the 'college' elected him....btw those on the college can change their vote against the popular vote for that state. What this tells us is that the people did not truly elect Trump (or any others in the past ) but that the so-called electoral college did and those people really decided the fate of the presidential election even t hough the majority in the country voted for someone else.

BTW..this has nothing to do with Clinton or Trump per se.....but the fact that either the people truly elect the President or we just use let the college do it from now on since it can overrule popular vote.
This becomes a philosophical discussion on whether or not it was a good idea from day one in 1787 to implement this.
There was also talk of Congress electing the President, the governors of the states, state legislators, a special Congress group, or the people at large. They decided on the people but with oversight from the electoral college to make sure that the people didn't elect a tyrant or heavily favor one candidate since the people might be poorly informed.
As I said earlier with today's media and news the people know a great deal about what's going on so the college becomes a moot point imho.

 

[nivek]

This country is not a democracy, we are a Republic, democracy is mob rules, most (mob) votes wins...

 

[dr wu]

This country is not a democracy, we are a Republic, democracy is mob rules, most (mob) votes wins...

Yes we are a democracy...we are a Republic with democratic voting and principles....which is why we are represented in Congress ,etc...but that has nothing to do with the electoral college and why it was originally formed. If we did not have a democracy....you and I would not be voting at all...period. The fact that you keep crying 'mob votes indicates your lack of understanding of this (as well as the definition of the word mob), and I recall your misunderstanding on this before in another thread.
All Congressmen, Governors, State reps , mayors are elected by popular vote..... what you inaccurately call mob rules.
The only place any type of electoral college exists is at the Fed level for President.
And again it was done for different reasons than what the people might think.....the Founding Fathers at the time simply did not trust the people to completely make the right decision due to the volatile nature of things then in an early country. Do some reading.

 

[nivek]

Electoral college is a reflection of a Republic style government, not a democracy...You seem to know little to nothing about Republic governments, perhaps that's why you're at odds about this country's voting system...Voting is a Republic way of electing people into government positions, a democracy style government isn't the only type of government that can vote people into office...

 

[dr wu]

Electoral college is a reflection of a Republic style government, not a democracy...You seem to know little to nothing about Republic governments, perhaps that's why you're at odds about this country's voting system...Voting is a Republic way of electing people into government positions, a democracy style government isn't the only type of government that can vote people into office...

You are completely bonkers...... I would try to correct your mistakes but you obviously are a waste of time.

 

[nivek]

You are completely bonkers...... I would try to correct your mistakes but you obviously are a waste of time.

You obviously need to do some reading...Stop watching that fake news like CNN, they even fake crap about the President feeding fish...

 

[Shadowprophet]

You obviously need to do some reading...Stop watching that fake news like CNN, they even fake crap about the President feeding fish...

You can't trust any news. While CNN is fake and they twist facts fox is very much the same way. The media is as corrupted as the politics it covers. sure there is news to be had. But how much non biased factual truth is in any of it ?

 

[3FEL9]

News and factual reporting has become so complicated recent years. Its time to let the universities establish a 6 year degree programme. Masters in news or News Ph.D .. Everyone "producing" news must be certified with diploma.

And all news peer reviewed in advance. Sure there will be some delays,, a few months,, but rest assured, what comes out the other end Will be pure unbiased facts..

 

[nivek]

 

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