Death: Is it A Finality...

[Shadowprophet]

I've thought Long and hard about posting this thread, In the end, I need to post this thread, Because I need peoples thoughts on these subjects I'm about to lay on the table. Firstly, I did post this in the Science Forums, Which means, I'm looking for peoples real thoughts and opinions on these things, I don't want someone humoring me with the ideas they think I might want to hear.

When I ask about these things, I want your real thoughts, Because, I can't get a better grasp of the situation if people are telling me what they think I may want to hear. Death, It's a powerful dread that Haunts us all, At times, We all think about it, Dread it, and even fear it. But, I want to ask a concise question, What exactly is death? Is it the same for everyone?

We could Talk about NDE'S Or people who have spoken with Ghosts, Psychics, Witches, People who have actually flatlined and been brought back. But the Truth is, Nobody that lives really knows what Death is.
Now, Here is where I want to throw some personal theories about Death at you, And I want your real thoughts on these. What If, This Energy inside us, That makes us live, That makes us unique to one another literally is an energy?

I mean, From a scientific standpoint, Our brains consume 15 watts of power, That's enough to power a small light bulb, And they function at a frequency of 80 to 95 Mhz. What I'm saying is, Everything we are, is caught up in this Concesness we have, Which seems to be supported by an electrical system. Since, By these measures, I'm considering us as Energy, I submit, That when we Die, That energy can't be destroyed, it would have to be converted into another form of energy. But what could this be? Could it be an inert form of energy that just returns to the Cosmos Or could it be, Something more intricate, Like an Afterlife?

Another thought I had about the afterlife was, If Time is only an illusion, And the only thing that separates Tomorrow from yesterday is the curvature of spacetime, Then isn't Death and Dying, More of an Illusion as well? I mean, If the curvature of space-time is all that separates us from our lost loved ones, Then they are still very much alive in that time period, and we are only separated from them by space times curvature. So to ever be alive, Is to in a way, Be alive forever.

I realize, Some of my Ideas are out there, But at this same time, I ask you, If my thoughts were as boring as buttermilk, Would they even be worth reading?

 

[nivek]

Firstly, I did post this in the Science Forums, Which means, I'm looking for peoples real thoughts and opinions on these things

Well, you did cut out a huge amount of real thoughts and opinions because of that, death and the afterlife isn't exactly science or tech related...I suppose you just want science related answers then?...

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[Ron67]

I've thought Long and hard about posting this thread, In the end, I need to post this thread, Because I need peoples thoughts on these subjects I'm about to lay on the table. Firstly, I did post this in the Science Forums, Which means, I'm looking for peoples real thoughts and opinions on these things, I don't want someone humoring me with the ideas they think I might want to hear.

When I ask about these things, I want your real thoughts, Because, I can't get a better grasp of the situation if people are telling me what they think I may want to hear. Death, It's a powerful dread that Haunts us all, At times, We all think about it, Dread it, and even fear it. But, I want to ask a concise question, What exactly is death? Is it the same for everyone?

We could Talk about NDE'S Or people who have spoken with Ghosts, Psychics, Witches, People who have actually flatlined and been brought back. But the Truth is, Nobody that lives really knows what Death is.
Now, Here is where I want to throw some personal theories about Death at you, And I want your real thoughts on these. What If, This Energy inside us, That makes us live, That makes us unique to one another literally is an energy?

I mean, From a scientific standpoint, Our brains consume 15 watts of power, That's enough to power a small light bulb, And they function at a frequency of 80 to 95 Mhz. What I'm saying is, Everything we are, is caught up in this Concesness we have, Which seems to be supported by an electrical system. Since, By these measures, I'm considering us as Energy, I submit, That when we Die, That energy can't be destroyed, it would have to be converted into another form of energy. But what could this be? Could it be an inert form of energy that just returns to the Cosmos Or could it be, Something more intricate, Like an Afterlife?

Another thought I had about the afterlife was, If Time is only an illusion, And the only thing that separates Tomorrow from yesterday is the curvature of spacetime, Then isn't Death and Dying, More of an Illusion as well? I mean, If the curvature of space-time is all that separates us from our lost loved ones, Then they are still very much alive in that time period, and we are only separated from them by space times curvature. So to ever be alive, Is to in a way, Be alive forever.

I realize, Some of my Ideas are out there, But at this same time, I ask you, If my thoughts were as boring as buttermilk, Would they even be worth reading?

Unless I see evidence otherwise I think being dead is the same as before you were born.An eternity of nothingness.I wish I could believe in life after death but I can’t.

 

[Shadowprophet]

Well, you did cut out a huge amount of real thoughts and opinions because of that, death and the afterlife isn't exactly science or tech related...I suppose you just want science related answers then?...

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We can move and edit that, It really wasn't my intention to cut peoples thoughts out on this, That was an oversite it seems.

 

[pigfarmer]

I have also been interested in this and am just grinding through Evidence of the Afterlife: The Science of Near-Death Experiences by Jeffrey Long, M.D. and Paul Perry. He seems to be a credentialed and respected oncologist who created a website years ago to collect stories of NDEs. I haven't finished it yet but he takes a statistical look at the data gathered via that website and has created several common characteristics of NDEs. NDERF Home Page

Very methodical approach, using forms to collect and mine information. Works for quite a number of far more mundane things. Basically, some of the experiences found in NDEs can be reproduced but not all of them and not with the clarity and cohesion reported - which (so he says) have quite a bit in common across age and cultural lines. Long uses his NDERF survey not entirely unsuccessfully to parry and counter skeptics, some of whom are other respected and credentialed physicians. My only criticism about the book is that it does get repetitive and the answer is always 'the NDERF study refutes that', yet he isn't citing particularly large statistical samples. From what little I remember about statistics (that I haven't purged) the bigger the sample the more accurate, or rather the more likely it is to weed out the anomalies. In short, to pinch off the kooks.

This is worth a read too: The Science of Near-Death Experiences More skeptical but valid theories should be able to weather that, and the thing is, I believe Long's are doing exactly that.

My niece has been a surgical nurse for years, her husband too and a combat medic prior to that. They have zero opinion on this and say they have never seen anything to make them think about it one way or the other. They don't have much interaction with the patient though either before or after surgery. So what do I personally believe? Crap. I am skeptical and more literal minded but still interested in topics like this, which is why I was looking for something to read with a more scientific bent. I can provide nothing but my personal feeling that there is something else that is just slightly out of reach; sometimes I laugh at weird little synchronicities and wonder they represent a curtain flapping that allows a peek.

We'll all find out and I can't say I fear death - its always with us. I have a Grim Reaper tattooed on my right shoulder because of this. It's the dying part that worries me. I'd prefer to be squashed unexpectedly by a safe falling from a great height if given the chance to decide.

The only time I have issue with anyone's belief is if it drives them so profoundly that their convictions affect my life negatively, which applies to a lot of things. Think about the misguided kids who have strapped on suicide vests, convinced of the purity of their actions and the Great Reward they will receive in the afterlife. Most often the people who do the convincing apparently have sent their explosive vests out for dry cleaning or they would do it themselves.

And because I don't want to run the risk of getting too serious, let's talk about that particular reward. 72 virgins? Really? Sounds like a lot of work to me. If nooky is part of the reward then give me just a couple of seasoned commuters on the F train. I wouldn't mind if I wound up in the final scene of This is the End, although my soundtrack would probably be better. More Motown.

 

[Toroid]

There's the story that when the Annunaki created us they needed a power source and used the Atlanteans via trickery. I heard souls are etheric matter and I'm sure they contain a form of energy.

Read post #19.
Alien Interferences

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FCHiaY6VEM

 

[humanoidlord]

I've thought Long and hard about posting this thread, In the end, I need to post this thread, Because I need peoples thoughts on these subjects I'm about to lay on the table. Firstly, I did post this in the Science Forums, Which means, I'm looking for peoples real thoughts and opinions on these things, I don't want someone humoring me with the ideas they think I might want to hear.

When I ask about these things, I want your real thoughts, Because, I can't get a better grasp of the situation if people are telling me what they think I may want to hear. Death, It's a powerful dread that Haunts us all, At times, We all think about it, Dread it, and even fear it. But, I want to ask a concise question, What exactly is death? Is it the same for everyone?

We could Talk about NDE'S Or people who have spoken with Ghosts, Psychics, Witches, People who have actually flatlined and been brought back. But the Truth is, Nobody that lives really knows what Death is.
Now, Here is where I want to throw some personal theories about Death at you, And I want your real thoughts on these. What If, This Energy inside us, That makes us live, That makes us unique to one another literally is an energy?

I mean, From a scientific standpoint, Our brains consume 15 watts of power, That's enough to power a small light bulb, And they function at a frequency of 80 to 95 Mhz. What I'm saying is, Everything we are, is caught up in this Concesness we have, Which seems to be supported by an electrical system. Since, By these measures, I'm considering us as Energy, I submit, That when we Die, That energy can't be destroyed, it would have to be converted into another form of energy. But what could this be? Could it be an inert form of energy that just returns to the Cosmos Or could it be, Something more intricate, Like an Afterlife?

Another thought I had about the afterlife was, If Time is only an illusion, And the only thing that separates Tomorrow from yesterday is the curvature of spacetime, Then isn't Death and Dying, More of an Illusion as well? I mean, If the curvature of space-time is all that separates us from our lost loved ones, Then they are still very much alive in that time period, and we are only separated from them by space times curvature. So to ever be alive, Is to in a way, Be alive forever.

I realize, Some of my Ideas are out there, But at this same time, I ask you, If my thoughts were as boring as buttermilk, Would they even be worth reading?

when we die we are able to see everthing that has ever happened is going to happen and is happening, we have acess to all knowledge, we are basically everthing

 

[pigfarmer]

I think we're saying the same thing it's the terms we are using. Dr.John B. Alexander is an extremely precise speaker and I like his approach to these topics. "Survival of consciousness after physical death" and "transition". It isn't that he doesn't have his opinions it's how he quantifies them, and that's how I look at many of these topics, death included.

In Reality Denied which is not exactly a page turner, he mentioned being in a 'haunted house' years ago and something gave him a shove. Rather than speculate on the nature of discarnate entities he wanted to know exactly what they physical force was that affected him. Isaac Newton would probably ask the same question.

 

[pepe]

I'm lucky/mad enough to truly believe that i'm off to see the farmers. The ones who set this all up, they are growing us to their spec. Light travelers with the task of further seeding.

Continuum hides the truth.

 

[pigfarmer]

I'm lucky/mad enough to truly believe that i'm off to see the farmers. The ones who set this all up, they are growing us to their spec. Light travelers with the task of further seeding.

Continuum hides the truth.

F'ing deep. May be my next tattoo. Just have to find the right font ....