Did Steven Greer fake a UFO with flares?

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  1. nivek

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    Did Steven Greer fake a UFO with flares?

    Dr. Steven Greer likes to suggest that he is in regular contact with extraterrestrials who are visiting Earth. Kindly, if for a price, Greer offers to train others in his "close encounters of the fifth kind" contact "protocols." But is Greer really in contact with unidentified flying objects or what the military refers to as unidentified aerial phenomena?

    Well, like the U.S. military, I'm very confident that some UFOs are true unknowns not belonging to China, the United States, or Russia. That said, I'm not convinced these objects are what Greer is seeing or communicating with. A Jan. 27, 2015, Greer "contact" event in Florida offers a case in point.

    That date saw Greer leading an expedition at Vero Beach on Florida's east coast. Greer's website says that his weeklong expeditions come with a "tuition fee" of "$2,500-$3,500 depending on facility costs." The website explains that "all of the Ambassador to the Universe trainings are similar. All participants are expected to complete and return liability release, confidentiality agreement and Ambassador Agreement, which will be sent after they have paid and registered."

    Back to Jan. 27, 2015, when Greer's expedition claimed to have summoned two UFOs.

    Video of the sighting was posted to Greer's YouTube channel, and the incident is the first case listed on the "photographic and video evidence" page of Greer's website. The video introduction says the "event" occurred between 9:10 and 9:15 p.m. and "was a result of an invitation initiated by the members using coherent thought and meditation practices, also known as, CE-5 protocols." The video description states, "There were NO boats or ships seen anywhere in the area of the objects and there were no jets or planes or other airborne objects anywhere near the objects before, during or after the event."


    That's not true. But let's not jump the gun.

    The video starts with one bright orange light appearing off the coast. Greer is heard directing a participant to "please turn off your night scope." Note that a night scope would assist in detecting low visibility aircraft in the vicinity. Shortly thereafter, a second light appears off the coast, to the left of the first light. Greer confirms that these are indeed UFOs.

    "I'm looking with the night scopes. There's no smoke. There's no trails. These are not flares," he continues. "They were waiting for us to arrive." A few seconds later, Greer implores his group, "Let's welcome the beings on board to join us in meditation. That is such a beautiful color — see, you'll never forget that color," he says. "This is huge," one participant says. Greer agrees, "Yes, this is a major event." At the 3-minute, 32-second mark, the first light disappears. Ignoring the lights' slow but obvious altitude decline, Greer states that "they've stayed pretty much the same altitude, though. ... Let's invite them to come as close as they can." At the 4:11 mark, the second light dissipates. While the second light is quite obviously above the water as it fades out, Greer quickly states, "Oh, that's gone into the ocean. See what it did?" Greer concludes, "Now the way that you know that's not like something like a flare, first of all, it didn't shoot up and then come down." The video fades out. We then see a series of other photos and videos of the same event.

    But were these UFOs? Or were they something more terrestrial?

    Well, FlightAware flight tracking data attained by the Washington Examiner suggest the latter is true. At 9:11 p.m. on Jan. 27, 2015, a Beech 76 Duchess registered N110SU was recorded flying at 85 mph off Vero Beach. This is slower than the aircraft's normal cruising speed and would feasibly allow the aircrew to deploy parachute flares or some other illumination device. The aircraft took off and returned to the airport in Fort Pierce. The screenshot below shows the aircraft's location at the time of the "event."

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    The owner of the aircraft is listed by the Federal Aviation Administration as Ari Ben Aviator, Incorporated. The website of the Fort Pierce-based flight school, Aviator College of Aeronautical Science and Technology, lists Michael Cohen as its president and CEO, and "the Owner and only President of Air Ben Aviator, Inc. since its inception." The website explains that Cohen "has 33 years of experience with managing a successful flight training school in all areas including advertising and recruiting." The distinction between "Air Ben Aviator" and "Ari Ben Aviator" seems to be a spelling mistake. Florida state business records list Cohen as the owner of both the Aviator College and Ari Ben Aviator.

    When I reached out to the Aviator College to ask about the Jan. 27, 2015, flight, Director of Maintenance Christopher Speer told me that the college never does things like dropping flares. After sending Speer a copy of the flight record, he did not respond to any further emails. Incidentally, another aircraft listed to Ari Ben Aviator was forced to land on a section of Interstate 95 in Florida on Jan. 30, 2017, after running out of fuel. CNN has also reported that Ari Ben Aviator received a loan between $350,000 and $1,000,000 under the federal government's coronavirus relief Paycheck Protection Program.

    The top line, however, is that the flight was in the place and time that the witnesses saw the lights. I'd thus offer a pretty confident assessment that what was seen off Vero Beach that night were not UFOs but, in fact, flares of some kind. Watch the video recording of the Jan. 27, 2015, incident below.


     
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  2. Dejan Corovic

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    Uhhh, I was waiting for years for something like that to come out. They were so obviously flares, there is no shadow of a doubt.
     
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  3. nivek

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    Yeah obviously not alien space craft with ETs waving to the Greer spectators, those are flares in the sky and those gullible people are getting their money taken easily by Greer lol...

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  4. Kchoo

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    Lights in the sky may be UFO,'s but that doesn't mean E.T. visiting us. So far the only UFO's that have impressed me are the Ones Recorded by the Navy. Or anything that shoots away at impossible speed... Who knows what that is all about really... but it is amazing.

    Meanwhile... as oblivious as the public seems to be- if Aliens walked among us, would people even notice?
     
  5. Standingstones

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    I would tell Greer that I will pay the fee he is asking only if the UFO will land in front of the group of people who paying to see UFOs. I would never sign a confidentiality statement on something like this. Those people wanted to be taken and they were.
     
  6. pigfarmer

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    call it the tax on stupidity
     
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  7. Dejan Corovic

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    It's so abnormal that a person of his status, a highly respected medical surgeon, gets involved in shenanigans like those.

    He apparently inherited a large sum of money from his UFO group member, when she died. That money was what financed his website and disclosure project. So, he's not short on money.
     
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  8. pigfarmer

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    This is what I keep in mind when I hear eyewitness accounts of strange things. People do a lot of weird crap that makes no sense and would be so unexpected as to be considered irrational. Suppose Greer had remained an emergency room doctor and never became a flying saucer whisperer - or whatever the hell he is - but he retained his basic interest and apparent desire for attention. Then one day he makes a sensational UFO report. There are many within the UFO community who would be waving his credentials around to enhance the value of the report as if they were a big cross dispelling the stink of Mephistopheles from a room he just manifested in.

    Long way to go to call him an attention whore. He just figured out how to cash in on interest that was already there. You know. Like Jeremy Corbell, Tom DeLonge. Not popular to say it, but Stanton Friedman too in a different form.
     
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  9. Dejan Corovic

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    His need for attention is palpable.

    But that aside, I know a bit about internet marketing etc., and I am pretty sure there is no money in UFOs. Or at least big money. That's exactly why there is a thread here about Gene Steinberg's financial troubles. And one of the best UFO sites ever UFOEvidence.org went bust. UFOs are pretty much populated by people who follow their curiosity more than their business sense. But on the end of the day anybody who commits resources on a scale that Dr Greer had, must rationally seek some way to recover some of the money spent.

    Commiting oneself to ufology is really bargain with a devil.
     
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  10. pigfarmer

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    Big money for the individual probably no, some money maybe; but in that arena recognition, popularity, notoriety, the ability to create and direct a narrative are the stocks in trade. Phil Imbrogno, Bob Lazar, Richard Doty, George Knapp, Jeremy Corbell, Eric Davis. I really don't know enough about Deep Prasad to file him away in the same box as those others but on the surface it sounds like he got a little high off all the attention.

    It's unfortunate when you have people who appear to be sincere associating with those types, although sometimes you never really know what someone's motivations are.

    Actually making money off of it requires a professional effort and we have enough examples of that nonsense on TV, so in that sense the UFO interest - and in Ancient Aliens, Bigfoot, etc - must be lucrative enough.
     
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  11. Standingstones

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    You might as well throw Richard Dolan onto that list. In the last 10 years or so he has been trying to make a living from the UFO world. How much success he has seen is up for debate. I do remember him showing up at the “Roswell Alien” program in Mexico. He quickly realized that show was a fiasco and he removed himself from getting negative press by association.
     
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