Is dark energy, dark Gravity?

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  1. Shadowprophet

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    Normally, I would really soup this up, Engage the reader and Drop Subtle hints to Thomas for his input.
    Which I am still doing. But I really feel strange today, Don't worry, whatever it is will pass, It's not a mental thing, It's like a sinus/allergy almost pass outtie feeling.

    Anyway,

    picture an infinite box inside this box is our universe, you can shape that universe any way you would like the only rule is, There is a negative pressure inside the box affecting our universe. If you wish you can picture it as a vacuum chamber affecting a marshmallow. Dark Matter is a form of matter that can't be seen with the naked eye or microscopes but it accounts for most of the Matter in the universe. The properties of Dark matter are observed from its gravitational pull on visible matter, radiation, and the larger cosmos itself.

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    Now, I won't debate that Dark matter is Hypothetical, It surely is, But in recent times it's being taken "Seriously" There is a lot of peer review for Dark matter. The assumption is, Dark energy, is a property of dark matter,

    Define Dark Energy.

    dark en·er·gy
    noun, a theoretical repulsive force that counteracts gravity and causes the universe to expand at an accelerating rate.
    1. "Einstein's theories allow for the possible existence of dark energy"

    So My question is, Would not Dark Energy Just Be the Gravity That Dark matter produces? And if that's so, What Else is in our Box with our universe? What Massive object is pulling on our universe. See in my theory, The energy is just the Expression of Gravity created by Matter, So, Dark matter has its gravitation, Which would be Dark energy. Since we can not see Dark matter, Looking for it with our eyes would be pointless. I assert that Our universe is much larger than the cosmic microwave background. I think, Our universe may contain Many Locations where many "Big bangs" occur, And the expansive force pulling on our "universe" Is simply the gravitational pull of other "Universes" on ours.

    Now, I put Universe in parenthesize because, In my mind, It's All One Universe. Not just our bubble, But all the bubbles. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm sorry this post wasn't better, I'm not 100% today guys, Any input would be appreciated on this.

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  2. Thomas R. Morrison

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    The Baryon Oscillation Spectroscopic Survey found that our universe is topologically "flat," meaning that it's indistinguishable from infinite in extent. This argues against the notion that our universe is only one of many "bubbles" in a larger context, imo.

    This paper from late last year is rather provocative and controversial, and reflects many of the ideas you've raised here:

    "A unifying theory of dark energy and dark matter: Negative masses and matter creation within a modified ΛCDM framework," J. S. Farnes, Astronomy & Astrophysics, 2018.
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.07962.pdf
     
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  3. Shadowprophet

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    Thank you brother, I need to read that, Yes, it is true that the universe is most likely flat.
    You know, A person gets so caught up in the theoretical sometimes they leave the ground lol.
     
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    I saw this interesting program years ago of this facility (I don't remember where) running the operations of a galaxy in a super computer. Before they added the dark matter the galaxies would fly apart and after they were held together. I believe they referred to that type of programming as fuzzy logic. There must be numerous examples of that in creation.

    I saw an episode of How the Universe Works recently and in computer modeling they couldn't get a star to explode into a supernova. They said that when the star collapses the electrons become neutrons and create neutrinos. The particle and/or atom is essentially giving up the ghost as we would upon death. In this video Mark Richards talks about how aliens will jump to a star as it's going through the supernova process and collect the neutrinos. I believe they're used as a form of propulsion.
    Kerry Cassidy Interviewing Capt. Mark Richards
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBZjr1E6dgs
     
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    was it called the Aquarius Simulation, by any chance?

     
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    It was a woman sitting at a keyboard that no one else was allowed to touch. I presume it was a research facility that has government contracts.
     
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    Thomas, I need to ask your opinion if you don't mind.

    I've been processing the flat universe model, Dark matter may be an extra-dimensional space interacting with us, Okay, Thought experiment, A pane of glass. This glass represents our two dimensional kind of flat expansion to the universe. sure, we experience the third dimension, but, here me out, The universe is Flat because of Dark energy. It's not just accelerating its expansion, It's guiding it. Imagin in this pain of glass, Gravity or, Dark energy was only able to function in two dimensions, Surely whichever way it expanded it would have to be flat.

    What if Another dimension is pulling at our universe?
     
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    I have deeper dimensional theories since dark energy could be theorized as gravity then it's effects on space-time. could be calculated properly.

    My question is, What dimensional force, would interact with only two dimensions of a four-dimensional universe? Right at this moment, I'm at the part in my theory where I'm thinking It' not, Dark energy would have to be affecting the other dimensions we just haven't observed it yet. Dark energy would have to affect time, I would assume.

    I mean it's obvious that it affects time, It's pulling on the universe. I dunno, I think it's time to maybe smoke some bud and chill lol

    How knows, Maybe Dark energy guides time or Dark energy is the reason we experience time in the way we do. Either way, It's time to break and give this theory some pot, I mean thought.
     
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    Okay okay okay, One last one, Then I promise I will leave you guys alone lol.

    What is, Now follow me on this one Guys because this is theoretical to the point of Wizzard school here. So grab your magic wands, No wait, I forgot this is the internet, DO not grab your magic wands. Look, What if matter exists in multiple states at once?, We can see by splitting the atom that Yeah, Why the holy hell was that much energy inside a single atom? Like wow right?

    What if, What we experience as physical matter, isn't all there is to matter, What if a great portion of the matter we experience is Virtual? or not in Phase? Let me explain, A virtual particle, Virtual particle - Wikipedia Is a Quantum theorized particle, It's a particle that can exist in two or more states at once, Yes, That literally means, Existing or not existing, at the same time.

    Because of the Quantum wave function, This particle Vibrates and does function in a quantum manner, meaning, It's exiting in multiple states at once. So, What if there is a Quantum aspect to physical matter? What if the part of physical matter that we see, Is just a very small part of it? Okay, I promised I would leave you guys alone, So, I'm gone to smoke pot and play fallout 4.

    I still love this topic and if anyone has any thoughts I'd appreciate them.
     
  10. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Dimensions don't exert forces on other dimensions - just think of them as coordinate systems.

    One exception to this is the possibility that gravity propagates across branes; an idea that Dr. Lisa Randall and many other theorists have been exploring to explain the bizarre weakness of the gravitational field. For the record, I don't buy it - I want to see any compelling empirical or theoretical reason to presume the existence of higher dimensions before I jump on that bandwagon.

    You've misunderstood the use of the word "flat" in this context. When astrophysicists say that the universe is flat, they mean that the overall curvature of the 4D universe that we observe, does not appear to be curved positively like a sphere (which would limit its size) under the influence of gravity, nor curved in the inverse manner under the influence of dark energy. Another and perhaps even better way of saying this is that the net energy of the universe is indistinguishable from zero: the positive and negative energies are exactly equal in the maximum cosmological scale.

    Dark energy exhibits negative gravity (or "antigravity" in the popular but incorrect vernacular). This has been confirmed via the late-time integrated Sachs-Wolfe effect.

    Electrical and magnetic fields and nuclear fields manifest in 3d, and gravity manifests in 4D. So no observed fundamental force manifests in 2D only.

    Yes - just as positive mass-energy produces gravitational redshift (via gravitational time dilation), dark energy produces the opposite effect, "gravitational blueshift" because regions dominated by dark energy experience time at a faster rate than flat spacetime.

    That's rather a jumble so I can only make two uncorrelated pints:

    1.) physical matter is coupled to its gravitational field which is apparently infinite in extent, so that's one way that a particle doesn't actually exist as a simple localized object. But every particle is also defined by its wavefunction, which is not entirely observable, so aspects of a particle are unobservable in quantum field theory also.

    2.) virtual particles aren't actually particles; they're named improperly. Virtual particles are actually a form of minimum energy noise in every field (fields aren't perfectly stable as they were described previously by classical theory). So virtual particles aren't actually physical particles. They're a bit more like phonons, quasiparticles of vibration, but for fields rather than matter.
     
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    Thank you so much, bro, You always give me a perspective that allows me to study in a more informed way :) Thank you :D

    The part that I found extra helpful was how Electrical and magnetic fields and nuclear fields manifest in 3d, and gravity manifests in 4D. So no observed force manifests in 2D only.

    This is what I fully admit, I lack understanding in, Can you please direct me to some reading That will give me a deeper understanding of how dimensions interact with one another?
     
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