more life after death

[pigfarmer]

This is the end of my broadcast day and I will pick this up another time, but wanted to throw this out there. Hopefully to kick around a little. Thought it might be worth a new thread.

If your belief is that the brain creates consciousness and when it fails we end, period, then this ain't the topic for you. Classical question really, nothing new in general but something I have given a lot of thought to recently. This is more about experiences, things we've seen and heard that can be quite startling.

Just got off the phone with a family friend. Been a practicing psychiatrist in Manhattan for 40+ years, maybe even more. Her partner is dying and brain tumors are part of it. She had been speaking to my wife last night about that and in the course of the conversation Mrs. Pigfarmer told her about my friend, his tumor and death and our secret message - our 'tell.' She had interest, so tonight we spoke for far longer than I had expected.

This did NOT go in the direction I had anticipated.

Here's the cliffhanger, such as it is. More when I can soon enough. In the meantime anyone had deathbed experiences, received a message or seen an apparition?

 

[pigfarmer]

Been thinking about what she had to say. Being a public forum I want to be a little circumspect so as to not reveal anyone's identity here. Medical professional with many decades of experience, much of which spent specifically related to death, the process of dying and hospice situations. Traveled extensively, encountered some people with surrising ability in South America.

Up to this point had I been asked what I thought her opinion was I would have put her in the 'click, off like a light' camp.

Nope

- Actually encountered a person unexpectedly that much to her surprise was partially transparent who vanished quickly.

- Multiple instances where patients of hers gratuitously offered information about friends and family that were totally unrelated and unknown to the 'messenger.' Out of the blue 'I have a message' or some variation.

- Non-local awareness of her mom. Instances in which she became aware of something with specifics well before the fact was known. Distance irrelevant.

- Witnessed unusual flashes of light, fleeting glimpses impossible to define at the moment of death

- She suggests people can die and not know it

Just off the top of my head. I am relating this here because it served to wash away my lingering doubt. Her only assessment is that there is far more going on than we think and that she has no idea how or when or why such things occur. She was fascinated by the 'tell' I had created with my friend and thought the possibility of confirming it slim but in her direct experience not impossible. Surprised me that I had one or two things to tell her, it wasn't a one way street.

I'm just using a fancy way of feeding my Belief system like we all do one way or another. I enjoyed this, it was unexpected and damned interesting to me.

 

[pigfarmer]

good book

 

[Rick Hunter]

Thanks! I've read a few of her books but never heard of this one, will check it out.

 

[pigfarmer]

Thanks! I've read a few of her books but never heard of this one, will check it out.

Post #2 in this thread was from last year after I had a long unexpected chat about all this with a family friend who has been a practicing shrink for 40+ years in NYC. She worked in various cancer centers and later with Hospice. Those were her personal observations. That woman has some interesting **** to say for sure.

Meanwhile, EKR is something I figure is required reading from an original source for this topic. I've hear her account of Mrs. Schwarz before - oddly enough from John B Alexander. His books, not like we have lunch together. He got his doctorate in Thanatology - ironic considering he began his career in the Army as an early slither-through-the-jungle Special Forces trooper practicing a very different and more direct interpretation of thanatology. She brought the concept of Hospice and palliative care to the US and was his mentor for his doctorate program. I know later in life she sort of went off into the weeds.

This book is a pamplet that took me 18.3 seconds to read, but is one of those I call a 'bookshelf keeper'

My mother-in-law just shrugged off the mortal coil. After you have racked up a few, and we all start to eventually, you start to see some similarities. Specifically I'm talking about knowing death is imminent, maybe even saying so or suggesting they are going away soon, speaking to dead invisible relatives, waiting to be alone to pass. Freaky and fascinating ****.

 

[Rick Hunter]

When my wife's grandparents went through hospice, the brochures plainly stated that patients often see and talk to people who you cannot see. I thought this was interesting, in the sense that- (a.) it happened often enough that they had to mention it in a brochure, and (b.) they didn't say the patients were hallucinating or reliving memories but were talking to people who you cannot see.

 

[pigfarmer]

When my wife's grandparents went through hospice, the brochures plainly stated that patients often see and talk to people who you cannot see. I thought this was interesting, in the sense that- (a.) it happened often enough that they had to mention it in a brochure, and (b.) they didn't say the patients were hallucinating or reliving memories but were talking to people who you cannot see.

My Mom passed in Hospice in '99 and did some disturbing things that really made me think but I don't recall any talk of that stuff. At that time I wasn't really paying much attention to paranormal topics, I had plenty enough normal ones on my plate at that time to keep me occupied.

 

[Todd Feinman]

When my wife's grandparents went through hospice, the brochures plainly stated that patients often see and talk to people who you cannot see. I thought this was interesting, in the sense that- (a.) it happened often enough that they had to mention it in a brochure, and (b.) they didn't say the patients were hallucinating or reliving memories but were talking to people who you cannot see.

That kind of thing certainly happens as people are getting ready to pass on.

 

[pigfarmer]

My wife and I took care of my aunt for several years after she had a stroke and couldn't speak anymore. The last time I saw her she told me 'go' several times and somehow I knew that was the last time I'd see her. Same for my mom, she died minutes after my brother and I left. Our pets seem to know too as I imagine you and I will - unless there's one of those big Acme safes dangling from a fraying rope out there somewhere