Sekret History: A Critical Review of The Mysterious Tic-Tac UFO

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    Sekret History: A Critical Review of The Mysterious Tic-Tac UFO

    The Tic-Tac is currently the most important case report in the history of UFO research, meaning, we must be very careful about concluding on limited data when trying to assign possible origin. When we recently looked closely at both the Nimitz (2004) and Roosevelt (2014/15) case reports, one thing stuck out over most other elements of the cases, the strange apathy of interest from the general mainstream. In can be suggested that this arguably stems from unwarranted speculation, people ready and willing to assign origin towards terrestrial secret military planes and/or Space Aliens which are, in their own way, a precursor to shutting down interest.

    (As with the stealth bomber, peoples interest cools once they know it is just some military technology and not something exotic or mysterious)

    Most notably, the same unwarranted argument comes up in both the conspiracy outliers of Ufology as it does with the centralist perspective in our western society.

    But what do we really know about the Tic-Tac?

    Over the past 18 months we have of talked to the people who were actually there during the Nimitz encounter and looked back at the history to gain a better understanding as to what the seemingly unidentifiable object might be.

    One: Social Media and the Tic-Tac
    To begin with, we examined the comments sections from YouTube, Twitter and Facebook with regard to anything AATIP, AAWSAP, Roosevelt, Nimitz or UAP. Most notably, we found a wide variety of differing opinions and comments, however in particular, a fair few showed an overwhelming eagerness and readiness to specifically assign the Tic-Tac as a black military operation craft rather than ‘Alien’, despite no sourced link or evidence provided.

    The artist managed to get the ‘little legs’ under the craft correct. Political Cartoons: U.S. Navy admits holding secret tic tac UFO video. The Mercury News.
    Political Cartoons: U.S. Navy admits holding secret tic tac UFO video. The Mercury News.

    So what could be driving such premature conclusive thinking?

    Media Voices

    Bill Nye, the celebrity American scientist commented on CNN. His opinion on the Navy UFOs echoed what we were seeing across social media.

    “…it’s probably one part of the military not telling the other part of the military what they’re up to, for a good reason”

    – Bill Nye, CNN, 02/06/2019

    Astrophysicist Neil Degrasse Tyson was another voice which attempted to denounce the Tic-Tac encounter in 2017, this time suggesting there was nothing to the videos, inferring that the Alien hypothesis should be discarded.

    “….call me when you have a dinner invite from an alien”

    – Neil Degrasse Tyson, CNN, 20/12/2020

    Additionally, it seems like every week we have some new twitter user or tabloid story claiming that they invented the technology behind the Tic-Tac (without evidence of course).

    A few weeks back we had a report in the Daily Star, suggesting the Tic-Tac was an American military craft. Mike Turber claimed to have worked in the USAF (but hasn’t provided any documentation of his credentials or of his Tic-Tac claims- as far as I know), and also stated the white UFO craft was actually created by the US military as a submarine.

    “It (the tic-tac object) was travelling at 550mph. As far as I know, it was a Los Angeles-class submarine”

    – Mike Turber, Daily Star, 27.01.2020

    A criticism here, would be the lack of supporting evidence or data to back up Mike’s claim.

    And in yet another Daily Star Tic-Tac article, the one single source is UFO researcher, Diana Tessman, who claims to know the origin of the Tic-Tac.

    “My answer to the entire UFO puzzle is that it is us from the future rather than ETs and as far as the tic-tacs go I don’t think it can be anything of this Earth or of this time period that’s kind of the conclusion reached by experts”

    – Diana Tessman, Daily Star, 28/02/2020

    Again, the criticism comes from a lack of supporting testimony, data and documentation. (My opinion would be that experts wouldn’t be drawn into any conclusion, at least not with the limited data available).

    Various internet conspiracy theorists, such as Dark Journalist, have also tried to link the Tic-Tac to American military technology, unsuccessfully.

    Other equally bizarre claims suggested that the Tic-Tac technology originated from the University of Dundee, of all places. Again, we are faced with zero documentation or witness testimony for any of these claims, which is important when trying to verify what the truth is. The issue is when the tabloids speak, people listen, and certainly don’t question.

    Evidence of secret UAP military technology?

    Another interesting side note that we must also consider at this point, is that the CIA have in recent years took to social media to claim all those early UFO sightings belonged to them (the Blackbird and Stealth bomber probably did account for some sightings). However, the CIA ‘explain-away’ culture is disingenuously effective, ‘nothing to look into here, it was just us’, increases public apathy.

    Another interesting concept came from the 2013 film ‘Mirage Men’, and the claims of former government agents (Richard Doty, et al). They stated that extraterrestrial visitation was a cover for the United States secret advanced military technology that they wanted to keep secret.

    Then there was the testimony of Edward Fouche (alledged Area 51 worked), who has ingrained into Ufology folklore that the TR-3B flying triangle is a secret military technology, backdated from old ET crashes (he did have slides and a presentation).

    TR-3B is an hypothesised secret military craft.

    Additionally, Tom Delonge is sold on the same concept, with advanced UAP technology craft becoming a running theme throughout the Sekret Machines novels. Not to mention the questionable TR-3B Paris video from YouTube which Tom showed on Joe Rogan.

    How credible are the TR-3B claims, hhhmm, who knows, surely we don’t have conclusive data to make an effective claim.

    How much is counter intelligence?

    That being said, should we completely rule out that this UAP technology is in the hands of the military and SAP?
    Have they managed to back-engineer crashed flying saucer technology over the last 50 years in deep black programs?
    And, even if they have managed to do so, is that conclusive evidence that the fleet of Tic-Tacs belong to such deeply classified programs?

    Gimbal and Go Fast

    Interestingly, we also found in our research, that the objects in the ‘Gimbal’ and ‘Go Fast’ gun camera footage videos (‘Flying Disc’ and ‘Foo-Fighter Sphere’) were noted as being less attributed to ‘black opps’ in the comments section and throughout the wider social media at large, in general they received less speculative posts about their origin (….plenty of Alien jokes).

    But why is that?

    The Gimbal ‘Flying Disc’ is different to the ‘Tic-Tac’, the Pilot who recorded the video has yet to come forward.
    The famous Tic-Tac UFO caught on gun camera footage by Pilot Chad Underwood in 2004.

    Such limited association between Gimbal, Go Fast and black opps programs could be the result of a few historic factors.
    For one, they (Gimbal, Go Fast) are more difficult to explain-away due to their long standing reported cases in Ufology throughout history, going back to even 1945 and beyond. Foo Fighters (spheres, orbs) and the ensuing 1950s flying saucer wave are recognised as not being from any military at the time. (Or maybe we just didn’t have a wide enough sample of social media comments to gain a clearer picture).

    So what is actually different about the Gimbal – Flying Disc (with a fleet cubes, not radar reflectors), and the Go Fast – Sphere, from say the infamous white oval Tic-Tacs?

    What makes people so sure the Tic-Tac is from a special access program (SAP) operating as a deep black military craft, whilst, the Disc, Cubes and Spheres are not?

    Flying Saucers?

    Any mention of a flying disc/flying saucer is associated with the 1940s and 1950s, essentially the social narrative is conditioned as….‘extraterrestrials’…they are part of our pop culture and unofficial history.

    Additionally, the mainstream accepts that we as a species didn’t have this alleged ‘UAP (5 observables) technology’ operational in the early 1940s and 50s. So in a way, that already established link between the Gimbal flying disc and 1950s Flying Disc/Saucer could explain why people shy away from concluding that these objects are SAP. Maybe. But this is speculation.

    Do we have to ask the question here?

    Could the claims be actually right?

    Could the Tic-Tac really be an advanced craft from some special access black clandestine program? A breakaway civilisation? (Richard Dolan).

    We need to look more closely at the Tic-Tac itself for clues.

    Two: Recent History of the Tic-Tac
    Made famous through the USS Nimitz case (2004), the term ‘Tic-Tac’ was coined by Chad Underwood, the Navy fighter pilot who shot the infamous ‘FLIR1’ gun camera footage (The FLIR1, Go Fast and Gimbal are now all labelled real and unidentified by the DOD). Not clouds, or radar glitches or misidentified seagulls.

    Side note: Some of the Nimitz witnesses confirmed to Popular Mechanics that there is a longer video of FLIR1 gun camera footage first released by To The Stars Academy.

    The Tic-Tac was first reported in the New York Times in 2017, and observed during a week long encounter in the early-mid November of 2004. Initially, visual contact was made by four officially sourced Navy fighter pilots (Cmdr. Fravor, Lt. Slaight, Lt. Annonymous Female wing pilot and Lt. Underwood).

    – Watch Cmdr. Fravor on Joe Rogan discussing the Nimitz case

    – Read the official USS Nimitz case report for details (credit George Knapp).

    – Watch the Nimitz Encounter by Dave Beaty

    – Read the officially sourced Fighter Pilot testimony on record.

    The Tic-Tacs appearance and behaviour Roughly 40 ft long, white, no discernible rotors, exhaust, plumes or signatures. The object has two ‘legs’ or ‘antennas’ underneath the craft. The Tic-Tac was not aerodynamic in function, seemingly not using chemical thrust propulsion. When Cmdr. Fravor engaged the object, it mirrored him in behaviour.

    Additionally, the object was able to transverse the horizon in seconds and move erratically similar to a ping-pong ball being bounced off close walls. The object(s), 5-10 fleet were recorded on Radar appearing from 80’000ft (and above) 20’000, the objects could drop from 28’000ft to sea level 50ft in 0.78 seconds. Radar operator Kevin Day for the Princeton (Nimitz nuclear strike group) states there were multiple Tic-Tacs dropping from the sky, almost as if it was ‘raining UFOs’.
    Artist impression of the Tic-Tac.

    Another interesting point, the object was able to know the CAP sign of the next location for fighter pilot David Fravor and appeared there in seconds. Does this amount to pre-cognition or an advanced ability to read the military systems computer system that held the CAP location?

    The location

    To date, we have data which places the Tic-Tacs down the west coast of America, heading towards Mexico and a few remote islands. A strong association with upper atmosphere 80’000ft and above is reported and also over water (Pacific ocean, of the west coast of America). Remember when Luis Elizondo (fmr. AATIP Director) and Sean Cahill (Fmr. Chief master-at-arms for Princeton) travelled to Guadalupe in ‘Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO investigation’.

    “Allegedly, the Tic Tacs disappeared from radar near Campamento Militar Isla Guadalupe, Guadalupe Island, in Baja California, Mexico…”
    – Danny Silva, curtesy ofSilvaRecord, 2018

    “To The Stars Academy has interviewed many of my former shipmates who were involved and they have followed up ‘connected’ leads in Catalina Island (where the TIC TACs were detected on SPY radar)”
    – Kevin Day, curtesy of SilvaRecord, 2018

    Speaking to Kevin Day over social media last year in response to the Unidentified’s blog article ‘What is the radar data’s significance’, he made the following statement.

    “… as far as i know (was not in CIC 24/7) all of the TIC TACs faded from radar above this island .. intrigued .. I wrote down the LAT/LONG in my log book .. a small, seemingly insignificant attention to detail at the time .. but a potentially huge dealio today as we work at getting closer to the truth..”
    – Kevin Day to Andreas, Via Social Media, 2019

    Three: The Testimony of Advanced UAP Technology
    To get an idea of just how advanced and far beyond us this UAP technology actually is, we must explore what the testimony is telling us, therefore it becomes important to highlight some of the historic Pilot and Princeton Operator quotes since December 2017.

    “This is important, now we are looking at something that can stay stationary over a geographic point, against 120 knots of wind, can rotate around and accelerate above supersonic”
    – Commander David Fravor, Super Hornet F/A-18F Pilot, Squadron Black Aces, Tic-Tac case (Unidentified, Episode 4, History Channel).

    “I’m fascinated that over 60 people have seen these things and it’s become the accepted norm”
    – Commander David Fravor, Super Hornet F/A-18F Pilot, Squadron Black Aces, Tic-Tac case (Unidentified, Episode 4, History Channel).

    “It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen”
    – Commander David Fravor, Super Hornet F/A-18F Pilot, Squadron Black Aces, Tic-Tac case (2 Navy Airmen and an Object That ‘Accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen’, New York Times, 16.12.2017).

    “The objects appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up”
    – Commander David Fravor, Super Hornet F/A-18F Pilot, Squadron Black Aces, Tic-Tac case (2 Navy Airmen and an Object That ‘Accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen’, New York Times, 16.12.2017).

    “We were at least 40 miles away, and in less than a minute this thing was already at our cap point”
    – Commander David Fravor, Super Hornet F/A-18F Pilot, Squadron Black Aces, Tic-Tac case (2 Navy Airmen and an Object That ‘Accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen’, New York Times, 16.12.2017).

    “It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s”
    – Commander David Fravor, Super Hornet F/A-18F Pilot, Squadron Black Aces, Tic-Tac case (2 Navy Airmen and an Object That ‘Accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen’, New York Times, 16.12.2017).

    “It was so unpredictable, high G, rapid velocity, rapid acceleration. So, you’re wondering: How can I possibly fight this?”
    – Anonymous. Super Hornet, F/A-18 wing pilot. Tic-Tac case (Unidentified, Episode 1, History Channel, 2019).

    “The thing that stood out to me the most was how erratic it was behaving. And what I mean by “erratic” is that its changes in altitude, air speed, and aspect were just unlike things that I’ve ever encountered before flying against other air targets. It was just behaving in ways that aren’t physically normal. That’s what caught my eye. Because, aircraft, whether they’re manned or unmanned, still have to obey the laws of physics. They have to have some source of lift, some source of propulsion. The Tic Tac was not doing that. It was going from like 50,000 feet to, you know, a hundred feet in like seconds, which is not possible”
    – Lt. Chad Underwood. Super Hornet, F/A-18, Tic-Tac case (Intelligencer, 19/12/2019)

    “It (Tic-Tac) was 25’000 feet then coming down in no time, zero time at all, I mean you could blink and it was already there”
    – Gary Voorhis, Petty Officer, Fire control man, CG-59. USS. Princeton. The Nimitz encounters.

    “The reason why I say they’re weird [is] because they were appearing in groups of five to 10 at a time and they were pretty closely spaced to each other. And there were 28,000 feet going a hundred knots tracking south”
    – Kevin Day, Fmr. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer, a former Operations Specialist and TOPGUN Air Intercept Controller. The Nimitz encounters.

    “All of a sudden this object (Tic-Tac) that he was merged with fell out of the sky from 28’000 feet to the surface of the ocean, in what I found out later was 0.78 seconds”
    – Kevin Day. Fmr. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer, a former Operations Specialist and TOPGUN Air Intercept Controller. (Coast 2 Coast interview with George Knapp, 17.06.2018

    “Sometimes they’d be at an altitude of 80,000 or 60,000 feet. Other times they’d be around 30,000 feet, going like 100 knots. Their radar cross sections didn’t match any known aircraft; they were 100 percent red. No squawk, no IFF (Identification Friend or Foe).”
    – Garry Voorhis, Perry Officer, Fire control

    * For more in-depth reporting on the Nimitz Encounter witnesses, it is advised you read the Tim McMillan article from Popular Mechanics, ‘The Truth about the Navy’s UFOs’ (2019). There is an abundance of testimony from credible individuals upon the Nimitz strike group. (Also see Jason Turner’s account).

    Four: What is the American Government Saying about the Nimitz and other UAP Encounters?

    Firstly, the U.S. Navy are telling us despite having established new reporting protocols for military personnel to document UFO/UAP encounters, we as civilians, won’t be seeing them.

    Future UAP reports will be classified.

    Secondly, FOIA researcher, Roger Glassel got the DOD’s position on record (2019), it appears the Nimitz encounter is officially classified as ‘Unidentified’. That means the most sophisticated military grade tracking technology was unable to recognise the Tic-Tac.

    Thirdly, the Navy acknowledged that they have a classified video (FLIR1?) of the Tic-Tac encounter, however they are unable to release it due to grave implications to national security. The video was apparently used in the classified briefings given to the senate armed forces committee and to other branches of congress.

    Five: Sekret History. Tic-Tac existed prior to 2004?

    To address our initial question of whether the Tic-Tac is a deep black military craft or an Alien Spacecraft we might benefit from researching case reports from research reports. Something that might tell us if the Tic-Tac has been seen throughout history, as one might possibly expect.

    We literally scoured thousands of ‘MUFON‘ case reports, ‘UFOEvidence’ databases and the ‘National UFO Reporting Centre’ and Top Secret Research.

    *disclaimer, obviously we haven’t been able to check all case reports, so if any correlated case exists please let us know.

    We found, no direct matches that exactly fit the description of the Tic-Tac precisely. However, there are similar descriptions of various cylinder and cigar shaped objects. Here are a few cases we picked out and photos.

    1) Civilian cigar shaped objects
    Two white cigar shaped object, MUFON case Case 93708, July 18, 2018

    2) Astronomer Allen Epling films strange cigar-shaped UFO type object in sky above Kentucky. October 16, 2012 11:20am

    3) Cigar-shaped UFO spotted in skies above Barnes, U.K. Ministry of Defence files reveal. It was a large cigar shaped vehicle with big projectiles on each side like wings. It seemed to have two very bright lights at the front and a white light flashing round and round underneath.
    October, 1998, 12.15am

    4) White oval ‘egg shaped’ object landed, witnesses by police officer Lonnie Zamora in one of the best-documented UFO sightings of all time, occurred in Socorro, New Mexico. On April 24, 1964

    5) White oval ‘scout craft’ reported by Charles Hall in the Nevada desert. 1964/1965

    Artists impression of the Zamora White UFO
    Artists impression of the ‘Tall White’ scout ship as described by Charles Hall.
    The daytime footage shot by Mr Jerome B. Turner (, clearly shows an anomalous cigar shaped, structured craft moving from left to right and disappearing behind a nearby tree. Unable to verify shape exactly.
    This strange white cylinder object is unverifiable at such heights.

    Critical assessment of Ufology case reports

    There are a few issues that need to be addressed when examining the case reports for white cylinder, cigar, egg shaped or oval craft.
    Firstly, the high altitude of the reported craft makes it difficult to precisely identify the object as a ‘Tic-Tac’ (the little legs would help as a marker). Secondly, the lack of real in-depth case report details are very often vague, leaving us with unusable contrasting data, meaning that again we are without the means to specifically identify the reported objects as a ‘Tic-Tac’.
    Thirdly, The landed cases of Zamora and Hall for example, are not identical to the appearance of the Tic-Tac, although similar, and should be questioned for credibility, and how verifiable they are (the curse of Ufology).

    Generally, we struggled to precisely identify the ‘Tic-Tac’ exactly, as stated, we did find hundreds of variations of white cigars, eggs and ovals (almost as if anyone who witnesses a UFO projects/sees their own personal version).

    Yet another side note, the Nimitz Tic-Tac (2004) operated over water, and at high altitude and not (so far as we know) over the mainland where the majority of sightings that we looked at occurred. The other claim would be that the Tic-Tac was interested in the nuclear aspect of the strike group (but without more data on other instances, we can’t verify).

    We spoke to the Nimitz Encounter witness Garry Voorhis, now with the company UAPx, who has looked into the historical area by which the Tic-Tac operates.

    “Have you found the historical reports are a variation of objects? (Orbs, triangles, cylinders, oval shaped?)”

    – Andreas

    “Mostly orbs, tic tacs, and some other shapes, but some of them can be chalked up to known experimental aircraft over the years, but there is still a but a ton of locals with stories out the wazoo!”

    – Garry

    “What are the plans for UAPx this year (research into tic-tac)”


    “We will be heading out to the very area that we first tracked them (tic-tac) and doing a multiship expedition around the area doing everything from environmentals to testing of the area to try and determine what makes that area special. We have collected reports around that area that span over 100 years so it most definitely is a hotspot. Through breaking everything down and step by step analysis of test readings using some new tech not available to us back in 2004 we hope to get some real data to with out a doubt make this real for everyone not just our small community”

    – Garry

    The impressive historical research of UAPx seems to match that of what was investigated by Lue Elizondo and Sean Cahill when they also visited the islands of the west coast of Mexico and California. There does appear to be a hotspot for various Unidentified objects including the tic-tac (how significant are the two electromagnetic anomalies north of the Guadalupe island).

    Does any of this prove that the Tic-Tac objects are secret military tech or an Alien Spacecraft? No, unfortunately it is still inconclusive at this point, we need more data.

    Six: What do the Nimitz witnesses think of the Tic-Tac?

    Commander David Fravor claimed on the Joe Rogan podcast (2019) that he doesn’t believe we have UAP technology in 2004, he also suggested that the DOD doesn’t covertly test secret aircraft against its own nuclear strike groups.

    We casually spoke to a few other Nimitz witnesses who were present during the time of the Tic-Tac encounters, to see what the people involved think about the objects and possible origin.

    “But based upon my experience, my knowledge, projects I worked on and was read into, I lean towards it being our tech. I’m open to all the other possibilities. Overall, I am about 60/40 (in favour of terrestrial explanation)”
    – P.J. Hughes, speaking to the Unidentified, 28/02/2020

    “If this is Back project tech I honestly believe they would not care about breaking the law to test it. Since they probably broke laws to develop it. If it is not then wow we need to find and figure out what they are asap!
    I am about 60/40 that it is terrestrial tech. 40% that it could be unknown. But that is the very reason we formed UAPx a nonprofit enlisting some brilliant minds and people to find out”
    – Garry Voorhis, speaking to the Unidentified, 27/02/2020

    “The US Navy and US Military, in general, found out a long time ago that unannounced “red-cell” operations where we expose active conventional forces to friendly special forces (posing as the enemy) was a bad idea and therefore prohibited it. Further, it would be unprecedented and catastrophic for one service to “test” another. Operational risk management would prohibit such an exercise completely. Whoever was controlling the tic tac(s) during the 2004 encounter(s) certainly put the lives of the pilots, co-pilots and crew sent to intercept them at an unacceptable risk with it’s maneuvers and lack of navigational protocol or beacons. Given what we have learned via the five observables the tic-tac may have even put the thousands on board Nimitz and Princeton at risk due to the unknown parameters of it’s propulsion technology specifically as related to high frequency radiation. While it is not out of the absolute realm of possibility, the probability of the tic-tac being deployed in 2004 by any known ally or adversary seems incredibly low to me. It is my firm conviction that the tic-tacs represent an as yet unknown or at least unidentified actor or entity that possesses physics and technology that far outstrips our current state of the art even up to assumed advances that may remain in the black”
    – Sean Cahill, Speaking to the Unidentified, 27/02/2020

    Having spoke with a few witnesses and examined statements from Tim McMillan’s Popular Mechanics article, it would appear that the consensus is one of general uncertainty, there are indications that the Tic-Tac could in theory, be advanced military tech (although no documentation or credible testimony has yet been presented) however there are good arguments against this also. One thing is for certain, there is classified data which hasn’t been released, data which could influence how we approach the mystery.


    We don’t have
    enough data to conclude on the origin of the Tic-Tac. The classification of the Nimitz case and probably other similar encounters involving the Tic-Tacs would ensure that we are left guessing. The danger from this is tabloid speculation, which leads conspiracy theorists to unwarranted conclusions, it also has the danger of dismissing the need for engagement, whilst increasing apathy amongst the general public.
    The Princeton, part of the Nimitz Strike group.


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