Suggestion: Believe it or not Thread.

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
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So, I had this Idea, There are a lot of awesome stories we miss out on Because of one or a few people taking up the cause to Debunk someone's claims, and this usually ends the discussion on that particular topic, It's sad because, Other people may want to openly and earnestly discuss those issues, but they can't because the Topics been destroyed as far as discussion is concerned because said thread has devolved into A pissing match between a claimant and a skeptic, And don't get me wrong, That's all fine and good, nothing is wrong with that.

I believe though, If people were magically given a choice, They would innately choose to not be criticized.


I was Just wondering, How Awesome, Would it be, If there was one Thread, Just one, Where The Going Rule was, Skepticisms and criticisms wouldn't be part of that Thread. Yes, It's a lot to ask, But, It also Holds true to something We all believe in, And that is, that everyone should have a welcoming accepting place to tell a story or claim or an event, With the assurance that they won't, have to argue with people about these things they have stated.

And that Thread is this. The, Believe it or not, Thread, If you see a story you like here, That's great, If you see a story you don't like here, That's great, Because That's what this is, It's a place where You can Believe It, Or not.


So, the floor is open, This is a Skepticism free Zone, Power to the people, Have your Say.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I for one, Believe.
I agree I've been around paranormal communities for literal years, I've even made claims myself in the past, And, that's why I don't today, It feels like If I did make a claim, I would have to argue with people about it, So, I just don't' anymore, But, I do feel people should have a safe outlet, here is why, In some cases the Experience has distressed the experiencer even traumatized them, those people wouldn't necessarily need the extra stress of having to fend themselves. So, Yeah, I think at least one Safe space, Is a fair thing to initiate.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
I agree I've been around paranormal communities for literal years, I've even made claims myself in the past, And, that's why I don't today, It feels like If I did make a claim, I would have to argue with people about it, So, I just don't' anymore, But, I do feel people should have a safe outlet, here is why, In some cases the Experience has distressed the experiencer even traumatized them, those people wouldn't necessarily need the extra stress of having to fend themselves. So, Yeah, I think at least one Safe space, Is a fair thing to initiate.

Agreed.

Even positive experiences have traumatic implications. Maybe just as bad...

Wrapping your head around “We are not alone” Is not easy even in the best circumstances.

Trying to tell so much, and it all sounds too much to be true... and some of it may not be... (we even have doubts ourselves about trusting ourselves)

It is good to have a place to simply say... “I believe.”
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Believe all you want, it doesn't make it so....

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nivek

As Above So Below
Dang Nivek...

Dang what, just stating a fact, not debunking anything nor being skeptical, just being honest and truthful...If by belief you mean leave the facts out as well as honesty and truthfulness, then forget what I said...

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Kchoo

At Peace.
Dang what, just stating a fact, not debunking anything nor being skeptical, just being honest and truthful...If by belief you mean leave the facts out as well as honesty and truthfulness, then forget what I said...

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I thought it was criticicsm.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
No, you 'believed' it was criticism lol...:tongue8:

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Lol, I believe that you may believe that to ask for a safe space is an unfair advantage in lieu that it does limit free speech, And that to boot this that the entire forums are safe, so why should there be a single thread dedicated to this? You would be right in most cases,

I or you, or Thomas, Or any number of well-known people here could literally Spin a tale about anything, And I doubt they would receive any skepticism, Some people just don't receive a lot of skepticism. And that's true, but it's not that way for everyone, Some people do receive a lot, I feel like, having a place with the pretense of, "You may not believe this But" May be handy and reassuring to some people. At worst it's an experimental thread that gets out of hand and needs to be removed, a Failed attempt, At it's best though, It could be a place where the crown jewel of the Weird and fascinating coalesce into something greater.

And besides brother, I let you off easy on this whole Topic you know lol, My original intention was to suggest a Believe it or not Subsection to the forums, I even had a campaign and pitch worked out to send to you for consideration lol.

However, I didn't have any facts, figures or data to predict how a topic like this would actually progress, SO, I figured, Why not just be experimental and see how it plays out. At worst, I've called a few people Skeptical doo doo heads, At best, This could literally be a happening Tabloid section to the forums.

I mean sure, Skepticism is important, Fair honest scrutiny subjecting something to facts and data, That's all part of the fair scientific process, but hear me out brother, When you open a tabloid paper and see the story about Bigfoot aliens driving monster trucks across Saturn for charity, You don't' usually see an ocean of supporting facts and evidence there either.

The nature of a paranormal story, Isn't to prove it's validity, That's a concept that Evolved later, Out of peoples "need" for answers, And It's unfair to subject the claimant to conditions like, "Prove it" in most cases.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
I think reading too deep into the tea leaves will make one's perception blurry, but then again unknowns generally create its own skepticism...When people read the tabloids most know up front that the stories must be taken with a grain of salt, and the same goes with this part of the forum, "Around the campfire", I guess you could call this section of the forum the Tabloid section lol...I'm just poking fun anyway, so don't take offense to anything I may say because I'm not the pulse of the forum, we all are together, every viewpoint, aspect, and perspective from everyone sets the tone, not me and not any one person individually...At least that's what I believe...:)

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I think reading too deep into the tea leaves will make one's perception blurry, but then again unknowns generally create its own skepticism...When people read the tabloids most know up front that the stories must be taken with a grain of salt, and the same goes with this part of the forum, "Around the campfire", I guess you could call this section of the forum the Tabloid section lol...I'm just poking fun anyway, so don't take offense to anything I may say because I'm not the pulse of the forum, we all are together, every viewpoint, aspect, and perspective from everyone sets the tone, not me and not any one person individually...At least that's what I believe...:)

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Oh never, I admit sometimes, I am known to take offense, but that's a side of me that's always needed work, I've always known, that when a person takes offense they are already on the defensive and losing ground. I'm not perfect, who is lol, But, yeah, I've known for literally ever now, that taking offense to things is just no solution to anything. :)
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
As a First story, To get Things rolling, let's Call this Kid Jackson,

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Actual picture of Jackson admits his experience :Whistle:

Anyway, Jackson's Story Goes on to say.

I was first “abducted” in 1987. I was 12 years old. I say “abducted”, but it’s not like that. Actually, you go willingly. It’s scary but it’s exciting, too, and they are somehow able to make you feel ok about things. It’s not until later that you feel bad or like you’ve been violated. And they don’t do a lot of probing, like raping, or anything like that. That’s Hollywood nonsense. They look inside of people sometimes, but they have machines that do it. Not really “machines”, but it’s like a room where things get done and the walls are…It’s hard to explain, so just imagine that all the walls are kind of like x-ray machines? That’s the easiest way to describe it.

Sometimes there would be others there and they would be looking into them or they’d put them under and cut them open, but not usually. They took tissue samples from all of us, I think, and they never put your under or give you any anesthetic or anything. They just poke you. With like those things they take samples of the ocean floor? Like that, but really small. They pull out chunks of you. It’s usually done on the butt or on the lower back.

Mostly they talked with me. Just questions and they’d show me things, like television shows and things, and they’d ask me questions about them. I think the walls measure our reaction to things, too, same as they take x-rays. I don’t know that, but it’s the feeling that I got. They NEVER let you ask questions about what they are doing. Even once I got friendly with a few of them, they just do not like it when you ask them questions. They hate it.

You can’t understand their language. It just sounds like “hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”. I’m positive that we’ll never be able to communicate with them in their language. I should mention that these are the “grays” that you hear about, except they aren’t gray. They are sort of beige, and it’s clothing anyway. They aren’t naked. I don’t know if there are others. People say there are, but I’ve only ever met these. Anyway, you cannot understand them but they can understand you. And they can put thoughts into your head but they can’t hear your thoughts. You have to speak to them. They cannot hear very well, or else they are not good understanding English so you have to speak loudly and slowly. I don’t know if they understand other languages, but I’m pretty sure they would. They are interested in all of us, in everything that goes on. They like a lot of things about our culture, too. They like some of our music. Bluegrass is their favorite so far as I’ve seen. They like it a lot. They LOVE that African instrument that looks like a gourd with 13 strings. LOVE IT. But they cannot stand horns or horn music, so they hate classical music and jazz. I think trumpets sort of sound like their language? It’s a feeling that I get, but I’ve never been able to ask them.

They’ve taken me up just about every two years, I’d say, since 1987. Just about. Sometimes it’s more often, and I didn’t go up at all between 1995 and 2000. They usually keep me for what feels like a day, but it turns out to be about four hours. Usually. The longest I stayed with them was three weeks. During that time, they made me make phone calls and “keep up appearances”. They aren’t really bad…well, I was going to say “people”. But they’re not really bad people. Or whatever.

The two that I got sort of close with told me to call them Jack and Gina. I don’t know if they are male or female or even if they have different sexes. But I know that those aren’t their real names. Those are just names that they told me.

They will make contact with Earth on a wide scale in 2021. That’s the year when they’ll land here, or colonize, or whatever. I’m not exactly sure what their plan is. They don’t seem to be evil or dangerous. Their planet is, so they told me anyway, a very long way away. They couldn’t explain to me how far, they said because it was too far for me to understand and it was also “close to the side”. I have no idea what that meant, but it’s always stuck with me. Home is “Too far away for you to understand, but also close to the side.” We don’t have anything that they want, so they told me. So I don’t really know why they come here or why they’ve taken so many of us up or why they’ve gotten to be friends with me. They do not have any religion and they don’t need oxygen or water or trees or anything, I don’t think. They don’t eat people. I don’t think they want to breed with us or genetically engineer us. I don’t know what they want. But they’ve been coming here for I’d guess at least 10 or 20,000 years. I’m not very good about the history and “upper paleolithic” and all that. But they’ve got a video of all sorts of stuff and they showed me a video of neanderthals and Cro-Magnon (which really were JUST like us humans except they all had black skin, way less diversity) and all sorts of other human-like things, Us’s, or whatever. And they showed me a video of the pyramids being built and this HUGE stone building that I guess is lost somewhere or was destroyed but it was in Europe, I could tell from the video. They have video of them talking with all sorts of people all throughout the history of Earth. They showed me some of them and asked me questions about them but I couldn’t understand any of it because I only speak English and even English from 200 or 300 years ago is so different that I could hardly understand it. So I told them that they probably knew more about it all than I did.

I was up three weeks ago. That was the last time. I’m pretty sure that I’ll go up again in a couple of years, but I’m not sure after that. The whole “program” or whatever they call it is going to change in July 2021. I think they said 8th, but it could also have been 18th, I wasn’t hearing very well. They weren’t trying to intimidate me or even to warn me, so I don’t think we have anything to worry about. I hope they don’t show the videos they took of me when they first started taking me up because I was so scared and young and they are embarrassing.




If you Have had or Know of a paranormal experience you would like to share, Consider Posting it here in the Believe it or not thread. A place where you too can Drop a story and Not have to defend a damned thing about it.. Because People can either Believe it.. Or not.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
So, I've got the stage set, and I know people want something more, Something not ripped randomly from the internet from some stranger. To any New readers, My Name is Shadowprophet, People call me SP, I'm mostly known for possessing a great almost obsessive love for Science theory and an interest in the paranormal. People often Mistake My Great love for the Subject as intelligence on the subject. But, people respond positively to positive output. As such, I tend to get Graded way above my curriculum Just possessing a profound love and curiosity for the matter.

The Truth is, The reason I have an interest in the paranormal is a cover, A safety blanket, I am only searching for answers about one particular topic, That is Alien Abduction. There are those who believe and those who do not believe, But, I never wanted my own experiences out there because, Why? I don't seek to claim Fame or recognition, I don't seek Scrutiny or skepticism. I only seek more information. There can never be enough.. So, I've beat around the bush long enough, I may as well come out with it. My family has a history of abduction. it began with my Grandfather. They would always happen at random, Sometimes Years apart.

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Beings who looked like Shadows or even Ghosts would come to my grandfather always when he was alone, He asserted till his passing late last year, They were Demons. My Father Had several experiences of his own, With What some people would call Abductions, But in every case, My father willingly would enter the craft. To sum up my father's experiences. He is certain He met Pleiadians, His stories are intricate and involved there are so many I honestly could never relate them all to you.

Then there is me, To me, I have what seems like experiences I can remember many details about them. These, Shadow like figures, There were always three of them, I was a small child, but even as a small child, Their tone of speaking was so, I don't know, " Serious and authoritative" I remember being frightened and passing out a lot, And this wasn't them putting me to sleep, This was me not able to deal with the fear and fainting.

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There is a lot about me People don't know, And a lot that I don't commonly share, But, Some Questions Need answeres, Because, I sit here as a 42-year-old man, With Vivid memories of things that Did factually happen to me as a child, And I don't know why, And I can't explain it. This is why I have a strong belief in the paranormal, Some things can't be explained, but does that make those things, Not things? We all seek answers I suppose That's why many of us are here.

But, As always, you can Believe it, Or not...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Believe it or not, two nights ago when it was all misty in the evening around my house and in the forest, I saw little shadow creatures coming in and out of the forest, I don't know if they could see me or my dog but I saw them, short little creatures about 14 to 20 inches tall, some were fatter than others...They seemed to move through and around the plant life, I'd see one straight on and watch it move a few feet then slip behind some foliage or go back into the mist whilst in my peripheral vision seeing four or more moving about, my dog got within 10 feet of one but it was indifferent towards him...I didn't approach them at all, I was on my deck sitting and facing towards the forest, about 150 feet away, I've seen these types before, once before a thunderstorm came in which was strange...

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Toroid

Founding Member
James Gilliland said the Bigfoots can phase out and end up somewhere else. I've also heard this about the Pleiadians. They'll just start walking in a direction then slowly fade away. Maybe these little creatures can do the same thing. You could find their little town and enjoy a thimble of ale. I heard the Telosians/Lemurians raised the frequencies of so-called nature creatures rendering them invisible because they were being hunted to near extinction.
 
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