Syria

Toroid

Founding Member
The Russians have announced a no-fly zone over the Latakia province and their airbase in Syria.
BREAKING NEWS: RUSSIA IMPOSES 'NO-FLY' ZONE OVER LATAKIA SYRIA - INCLUDING U.S. AIRCRAFT!
The Russian military has established a no-fly zone over the Latakia province of western Syria, Russian Senator and former Air Force commander Viktor Bondarev stated on Monday.

“The establishment of a no-fly zone over the Russian military base in Latakia will prevent a repeat of the IL-20 aircraft tragedy,” Bondarev told the Russian Federation’s Council this evening.

“After creating a no-fly zone in Latakia, it is necessary to announce that any unauthorized objects in the sky over Hmeimim Airport will definitely be eliminated,” he added.

The Russian senator added that the S-300 will not only be deployed at the Hmeimim Airbase, but also, in several parts of the country.

Earlier this evening, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke on the phone to discuss the current situation in Syria.

Reports from Moscow indicated that Putin informed Netanyahu that Russia does not accept Israel’s version of the events that took place on the night of the September 17th.

Russia expects its relations with Israel to remain the same, despite the upcoming delivery of the S-300 air defense system to Syria.
Latakia is on the coast just above Lebanon
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Toroid

Founding Member
Russia plans to supply S-300 missile system to Syria marking an escalation.
Bolton Warns Russian Missile Sale To Syria Would Be "Significant Escalation"
Update: U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton said on Monday that the Russian plans to supply Syria with a S-300 missile system would be a “significant escalation” by Moscow and hopes it will reconsider. His statement follows the Russian announcement from early Monday that Russia will supply the surface-to-air missile system to Syria in two weeks, one week after Moscow blamed Israel for indirectly causing the downing of a Russian military plane in Syria, despite strong Israeli objections.

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It appears Israel has paid a huge price for last week's attack on Syria which led to the accidental "friendly" fire downing of a Russian reconnaissance plane with 15 personnel on board as the door could now be forever shut on striking targets in Syria with impunity. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) has announced plans to deliver its advanced S-300 air defense system to Damascus within two weeks.

Prior plans to deliver the system, which is considered vastly more effective and can strike at a greater range than Syria's current S-200 and others, were nixed after Israeli threats that delivery would constitute a "red line" for which Israel must act.

The Russian MoD acknowledged this and said the situation has "changed" upon announcing its intent to follow through on what Syria has already purchased: “In 2013 on a request from the Israeli side we suspended the delivery to Syria of the S-300 system, which was ready to be sent with its Syrian crews trained to use it,” the MoD statement said.



Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said early Monday, "A modern S-300 air defense missile system will be supplied to the Syrian Armed Forces within two weeks. It is capable of intercepting air assault weapons at a distance of more than 250 kilometers and hit simultaneously several air targets."

Significantly, Syria's systems will be integrated with Russian systems via the S-300, in order to prevent instances of "blind" firing (or failure to have friend or foe identification capabilities).

Russia had in previous statements blamed Israel for the last Tuesday incident in which a Russian Ilyushin-20 reconnaissance plane was accidentally brought down by an aging Syrian S-200 defense system after Russia had scrambled its jets to respond to an attack by four Israeli F-16s on Syrian government targets.

Shoigu said the S-300 system will prevent such future mishaps: "The command posts of Syrian air defense forces and units will be equipped with automated control systems only supplied to the Russian armed forces. This will facilitate centralized control over all forces and resources of the Syrian air defense, monitor the situation in the air, and ensure operative issuance of orders."

He added that, "Most importantly, we will guarantee the identification of all Russian aircrafts by the Syrian air defense systems," according to TASS.

The Russian-made S-300s are widely acknowledged to be far superior in their capability and reach than Syria's current S-200 system. If installed something which Russia has promised will happen in two weeks time Syria might very well become nearly untouchable.

Israel has long claimed to be acting primarily against Iran inside Syria, often firing from over "neutral" Lebanese airspace, but additional new electronic countermeasures to be erected along with the S-300 system will hinder this, per RT:

The third measure announced by the Russian defense ministry is a blanket of electronic countermeasures over Syrian coastline, which would “suppress satellite navigation, onboard radar systems and communications of warplanes attacking targets on Syrian territory.”
Shoigu said the measures are meant to “cool down ‘hotheads’ and prevent misjudged actions posing a risk to our service members.” He added that if such a development fails to materialize, the Russian military “would act in accordance to the situation.”

All of this is precisely the game-changer that Israel's leadership has long worried about as they've sought to maintain "freedom of action" in Syria, according to prior statements by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

As a Haaretz report noted previously, the range of the new defense system will give Damascus the ability to detect potentially hostile aircraft from point of origin: "With Putin's S-300, Assad's army could even 'lock-on' IAF aircraft as they take off from bases within Israel." And as one Israeli defense analyst put it, "Israel should be worried."
 

Standingstones

Celestial
This issue with Syria is one giant cluster f****. The US wants to eliminate Al-Assad and prevent Russia from maintaining a foothold in the Middle East. The US says it is backing “freedom fighters” in the area. These are basically Islamic factions who hate one another. Russia wants an oil pipeline passing through Syria. The US wants to prevent that from happening.

You certainly can’t read the nonsense being published these days. There are no “good guys” in this war, no matter what each side says. If the issue wasn’t about oil, no one would give a rat’s ass about Syria.
 
This issue with Syria is one giant cluster f****. The US wants to eliminate Al-Assad and prevent Russia from maintaining a foothold in the Middle East. The US says it is backing “freedom fighters” in the area. These are basically Islamic factions who hate one another. Russia wants an oil pipeline passing through Syria. The US wants to prevent that from happening.

You certainly can’t read the nonsense being published these days. There are no “good guys” in this war, no matter what each side says. If the issue wasn’t about oil, no one would give a rat’s ass about Syria.
Yeah we're arming and funding jihadist terrorists like al-Qaeda to overthrow Assad. It's the most sickening and morally repugnant military operation in American history, and frankly I think that everyone behind it should face international criminal charges.

Oil and natural gas are part of it, but I think the PetroDollar is a large factor as well. We've either destroyed or demonized every nation that has abandoned the PetroDollar system - Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, Iran, Russia, and Syria. It looks to me like the Federal Reserve uses our military as it's very own mercenary force to keep the world on the PetroDollar system because it makes them trillions of dollars for the simple service of printing and selling currency to every nation that buys oil.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
This issue with Syria is one giant cluster f****. The US wants to eliminate Al-Assad and prevent Russia from maintaining a foothold in the Middle East. The US says it is backing “freedom fighters” in the area. These are basically Islamic factions who hate one another. Russia wants an oil pipeline passing through Syria. The US wants to prevent that from happening.

You certainly can’t read the nonsense being published these days. There are no “good guys” in this war, no matter what each side says. If the issue wasn’t about oil, no one would give a rat’s ass about Syria.
Aeschylus - Wikipedia
Aeschylus said: "In war, truth is the first casualty." Do you agree with this?

Quote by Sun tzu: “All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when ...”
All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun tzu, The Art of War
 

AD1184

Celestial
The US military cannot legally fly over Syria anyway. I am sure that a Russian aircraft attempting to overfly a US airbase in Iraq would be similarly dealt with and that similar warnings to Russian military aircraft are in place.

Sadly I think that things are going to escalate in Syria this autumn with renewed calls for western military action. There will probably be another alleged chemical attack as the Russians and Syrian government encroach on the rebel holdout city of Idlib.

The Syrian war is a proxy war in what is replacing the Arab-Israeli conflict as the most important in the region (and by extension the world, because of the list of belligerents involved): the Saudi-Iranian conflict.

On the Saudi side we also have the US, the UK, France, NATO, Israel, Jordan and nominally Turkey, although the Turks might be doing their own thing. On the Iranian side we have Russia, Syria and Lebanon. Essentially any country were Sunni Muslims have power is on the Saudi side and any country where Shia Muslims have power is on the side of Iran.
Yemen is also an ongoing proxy war in this conflict being fought along the Sunni-Shia divide in that country.

The Assads of Syria are Alawites and are neither Sunni nor Shia, and might be analogous to the relationship between Mormons and Christianity. (Would you pigeon-hole a Mormon as a Protestant or a Catholic?) However, they are Iranian-aligned and so are on the other side to us, along with their close ally Russia, hence the current mess.

I am British, and do not see that Britain has any interests to uphold Syria. However, my country's leadership lacks the wisdom not to get involved and is itching to do so. The one advantage to a Trump presidency as an outsider seemed to be his lack of enthusiasm for getting further involved in the Syrian debacle. Unfortunately, Trump is one of the most inconsistent national leaders of all time and his stance on the Syrian war seems to follow his whim.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
. Unfortunately, Trump is one of the most inconsistent national leaders of all time

I do not see this at all...His consistency has been a driving force in America's domestic economy which is booming like we haven't seen in far too many years...Sorry, I don't want to derail this thread discussing Trump, I was just curious how you came to this conclusion...

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AD1184

Celestial
I do not see this at all...His consistency has been a driving force in America's domestic economy which is booming like we haven't seen in far too many years...Sorry, I don't want to derail this thread discussing Trump, I was just curious how you came to this conclusion...
I am not so interested in his domestic or economic policy, but I cannot see that Trump is consistent on anything. He is wildly unpredictable, and his stances on issues are in constant flux. This has been noted by many commenters and the facts of his recorded statements make it plain. Here is an article with many documented examples:

141 stances on 23 issues Donald Trump took during his White House bid

There are scores of other such articles, just Google something like 'trump inconsistencies' to find many of them.

I seem to recall that you were so incensed by Trump's Republican candidacy in 2016 that you were considering voting for an alternative. What caused you to change your mind about him?
 
I am not so interested in his domestic or economic policy, but I cannot see that Trump is consistent on anything. He is wildly unpredictable, and his stances on issues are in constant flux. This has been noted by many commenters and the facts of his recorded statements make it plain. Here is an article with many documented examples:

141 stances on 23 issues Donald Trump took during his White House bid

There are scores of other such articles, just Google something like 'trump inconsistencies' to find many of them.

I seem to recall that you were so incensed by Trump's Republican candidacy in 2016 that you were considering voting for an alternative. What caused you to change your mind about him?
Trump is a revolting and entitled man-child with the intellect of an autistic infant and the moral integrity of Vichy collaborator, but he campaigned to the left of Hillary Clinton on the illegal US war against Assad. But now he's bowing to the murderous Deep State by escalating tensions with Russia in Syria, so clearly he's just as spineless and complicit as Obama.

Both parties are mass murdering corporatists now. And nothing's going to change until we take to the streets with torches and pitchforks and scare the living hell out of the elitist billionaire psychopaths who stole our country.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I seem to recall that you were so incensed by Trump's Republican candidacy in 2016 that you were considering voting for an alternative. What caused you to change your mind about him?

I did vote for an alternative, the pot smoking Libertarian Gary Johnson, Trump did not get my vote...I like the Libertarian ideas to a point because many seem to be Constitution supporters, I still do not like Trump though and I cannot stand the Clintons although I voted for Bill Clinton for his first term, the alternatives to Bill Clinton were bottom of the barrel back then...My only small support I now have for Trump is purely domestic, because honestly it has affected my life and the businesses I own directly and in a positive way...Obama did nothing for the American economy except strangle it even more...Would I vote for Trump in two years for a second term?...I doubt it, I also doubt he will need my vote because it seems obvious to me he will be reelected...If I had to choose a President I liked the most it would be Ronald Reagan, his Presidency and his part in dissolving the Soviet Union and uniting Germany was impressive to me, if only on the surface...Reagan was also the first President I ever voted for...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I did vote for an alternative, the pot smoking Libertarian Gary Johnson, Trump did not get my vote...I like the Libertarian ideas to a point because many seem to be Constitution supporters, I still do not like Trump though and I cannot stand the Clintons although I voted for Bill Clinton for his first term, the alternatives to Bill Clinton were bottom of the barrel back then...My only small support I now have for Trump is purely domestic, because honestly it has affected my life and the businesses I own directly and in a positive way...Obama did nothing for the American economy except strangle it even more...Would I vote for Trump in two years for a second term?...I doubt it, I also doubt he will need my vote because it seems obvious to me he will be reelected...If I had to choose a President I liked the most it would be Ronald Reagan, his Presidency and his part in dissolving the Soviet Union and uniting Germany was impressive to me, if only on the surface...Reagan was also the first President I ever voted for...

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I did Vote, I'm not a very political person, I'm not strongly opinionated about politics really either, But I voted for trump. Yeah, I know everyone hates him and thinks he's dangerous and possibly insane. But I feel that's all propaganda,

My reasoning is, The man Is a multibillionaire business Mogle, he walked right into politics and proceeded to dominate the entire playfield, People think Trump is dangerous or insane, The man is a multimillionaire He can afford the best advisors on planet earth, It may not be trumps own mind that got him where he is, But By proxy, he can afford the best advice money can buy on planet earth from the brightest minds around, No one is going to outsmart him, He can literally buy the best counsel money has to offer. I'm not a trump Zealot, I don't defend him, I don't preach his words to others, I feel like Separating people from their children was a shitty thing to do,

I voted Republican, But, I'm not extreme about my views on that, All I want is for people to be paid what they have earned, And for people not to be given free rides to exploit the system, people should work and support themselves "If they can" That's what those systems are for, For those who can't, So I have republican views on some issues, however, To say I have republican views, I don't believe we should be deporting people in mass like we are, My reasoning is simple, We know what the biggest stresses are to our country, It's the war and the economy, America's biggest problem is certainly not Mexico, So, I don't agree with any of that stuff.

Also, As a Republican, I don't fully support abortion, However, I believe that under certain circumstances, Like if carrying the child full term will endanger the mother's life, so for health reasons, Some women should be allowed abortions, I don't believe in taking peoples food stamps away, here is why We all work and we all pay taxes, of all the problems I can bitch about, I don't want to take food away from people, Especially homes where there are children.
We spend billions of dollars on war and politicians take vacations on our tax dollars, So the People being Fed, That should come first, I think food stamps should be given to anyone who has ever held a job an paid taxes and simply askes for them. Because, Damn, This is America, If someone asks for food, Feed them, We aren't savages.

I'm not a hard republican, But I disagree with the Democrats, Because, Democrats are pussies.

They don't want to recognize that we are being attacked they don't want to label our foes as enemies. They are not leaders, The Democrats are hippies who want to hug everything out. You can't hug the hate out of an enemy that wants to kill us..

This isn't a mean post BTW, I'm in an awesome mood this morning, I'm simply relaying that Democrats are indeed pussies that want to stop every war with the care bear stare...

And I don't mean that as an insult toward the Dems. It's just, They don't seem to realize that in war situations, We don't always have the option not to fight. They are attacking us. We have to fight. The Dems, Need to realize this.

Meh.. lol
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Whether you voted for Trump or not it was something to watch him tear through experienced politicians like wet toilet paper. He's some kind of hellish buzzsaw
 
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