The Divided State of Europe

Discussion in 'Present & Current Events' started by nivek, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. nivek

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    It was early last year when I was first reading in depth about Catalonia and it's desire for independence, I knew there would be bloody violence during my research last year, Spain needs Catalonia more than Catalonia needs Spain...I for one am all for them gaining the independence they deserve, after all, they are an occupied territory and not legitimately part of Spain...Catalonia is a rich region too and helps support the poorer regions of Spain...

    There's other regions who are seeking independence, France, Italy, Britian amongst other EU countries are facing separatist movements and referendums for independence...Are we going to see similar violence of resistance to this call for independence as we've seen in Spain and Catalonia?...Perhaps if these centralized socialist governments had governed more balanced and fairly to all regions and protected their people's interest more we would not see so much division in Europe...

    Here's a short list of calls for independence:

    The divided states of Europe: Independence movements across the continent
     
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  2. OLP

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    Here is a video of a thousand years of border changes in Europe.



    The police violence that´s been organized from Madrid has sure been no help to stabilize the situation. While the majority of Catalonians would have voted to stay with Spain, this sure is not the end of the story.





    I´d be surprised if the european borders would maintain the way they are for any longer than 20 years. For the european continent is one packed with different languages, cultures, desires..

    Could be a very positive attribute actually to have so much diversity here. The EU would like to see all diversity (true cultural diversity, not what A. Merkel propagates) pass and to replace it with a faceless socialist economic monstrum.
     
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  3. nivek

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    At least some of these independence desires are economically motivated and what added fuel to this is the great movement of Merkel's migrants...Threatening to change the very core of Europe there are some countries who have banded together to slow or stop this madness the German government has brought upon Europe...Countries like the Czech Republic and Poland have agreed to send police and military officers to Hungary's border with Serbia to help reinforce that border and thereby helping to protect their own...
     
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  4. OLP

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    In retrospective (there are many other reasons aswell, (EU!)) I would go so far and say that Merkel kicked out the UK of GB with here unlawful behaviour.
    What Merkel did was against european law and she refuses to admit it.

    The Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland now resemble the backbone of European Civilization as within a few generations, there won´t be any left in Germany and France..
     
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  5. 3FEL9

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    E.U has become a very sick and nasty thing, and should be dismantled into its original states ASAP!

    We could still make interstate agreements and keep *some* parts of the free trade.
    But as it is now,, Complete political hubris - No way !
     
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  6. OLP

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    Agreed, while we get a bit Off Topic don´t we?

    When I see that green and leftist youth having a say at Brussels it makes me v...

    Idealistic to the bone, as good old German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt said " If you have visions, go to the doctor..".
     
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  7. nivek

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    Smaller countries like Sweden are taking their licks because of the poor decisions of Merkel...Its already showing that the German people are getting fed up with Merkel and her policies, it's about time too...

    You're right though, some countries are too far gone and will lose all identity and culture and with terrorism on the rise, it will become more and more deadly to live in Europe...Countries like France, UK, and Germany are nurturing and harbouring the radical islamists unwittingly...

    I think this has helped motivate the separatist movement, and it's understandable, these regions want to safeguard their 'countries and their culture...Unfortunately it most likely is going to get violent as these regions have their referendums and calls for independence...
     
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  8. Toroid

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    In the video it appears the area now occupied by Germany had the most change over the last thousand years.
     
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  9. August

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    Europa is going down the plughole, thanks to a self hating anti German leader like Angela Merkel.
     
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  10. nivek

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  11. 3FEL9

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    ^^ Only fistfights and stabbing allowed ? like it was here 20 years ago ?
     
  12. nivek

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    Catalonia's cry for independence is the inevitable response to 'European identity'

     
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  13. nivek

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    So Spain has responded to Catalonia's calls for dialog comcerning independence by announcing today with conveniently minimal press coverage to remove Catalonia's President and Cabinet and to take over ALL its institutions BY FORCE, effectively taking total control of Catalonia...So much for Democracy and Liberty...
     
  14. Captain Tinkle

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    Pass this over to Mr. Farage. Totally agree with him.

     
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  15. nivek

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    He is absolutely correct...Europe is falling hard and the UK must get out, I worry about Poland too, they are trapped between an ever increasingly aggressive Russia and an insane European governance...I have friends in Poland too...
     
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  16. August

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  17. 3FEL9

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    Thats good,, should teach them not to mess with Madrid and try to break the country apart
     
  18. nivek

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    The Catalonians are not Spanish, they have their own land, culture, language and was taken by Spain by force in the early years...They are a occupied country technically...They have the right to express themselves because the EU is supposed to be a democracy, so why are the member States ignoring this breach of liberty by the Spanish government?...Why aren't the Germans outraged? What say the French? Are their backs broken already?...
     
  19. 3FEL9

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    Well after 500 years they are spanish enough..

    They should behave and stop crying like little children.. Its already an autonomous region
     
  20. nivek

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    "Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to liberty; it is a blessing that must be earned before it can be enjoyed."
     
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