humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
@Castle-Yankee54 found it, its the sr-17
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
huh?
i am pretty sure all the nazis where dead or hiding by 1947
it could be some HO-229 materializations done by the cosmic trickster
reminds me of a report where a witness saw various helicopters chasing a light ball UFO, however he later found that they had almost no helicopters active by then, the helicopters were just a illusion created by the entity behind the ufo phenomena
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CasualBystander
Celestial
That is a relatively low speed crash (under 200 knots) of a flying machine. It looks like something hit at slightly above car crash speeds.
My read is it was a twin engine design with one of the engines visible and only pieces of the other. This gives me a different opinion of the Roswell crash - it was a US jet prototype developed as a black project (or captured German prototype) and they didn't want the bad publicity.
Why isn't this photo better known?
A high speed crash of a flying machine looks like this:
Little scraps of metal everywhere.
nivek
As Above So Below
CasualBystander
Celestial
You mean SR-71.
You are claiming the photo is a crashed 70s/80s series blackbird or a 1960s A12.
That would mean we are looking at the tail end, possibly flipped over.
The thing was titanium and black so that is pretty much matches.
Not sure jet fuel can burn hot enough to start a titanium fire.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
huh i thought the SR-71 was the one they are developing right now
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
It was developed in the early 1960s.
CasualBystander
Celestial
A12 design was started by the CIA in 1959.
It was a CIA/Skunkworks project which is why the aircraft had some of the design compromises it did.
Was a response to the Powers shoot down.
In the 70s the Air force fielded a modification of the design - probably to make it more supportable.
Believe you can see the twin rectangular landing gear doors in the center of the winged portion of the fuselage which means it is upside down.
Successor is an unmanned UAV called the SR72.
Rick Hunter
Celestial
Anybody know if any examples of the Horton flying wing survived the war?
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
I remember hearing 6 were brought back to the US and flight tested.
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
I personalty believe that there was UFO crash in Roswell, but that photo is of an aircraft crash. There is one beam with hollows that is typical of beams used in aircraft. In top right corner clearly there is a turbine engine.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
hello
also i have never heard any convincing proof of the UFO crash, but i agree with the rest
USI Calgary
Adept
From what I recall, without digging into sources, the Air Force knew about the German wings, but said none were active at the time, and the illustration we see Arnold holding was an artist's impression which was based on the futuristic look of the flying wing. How he got that info I don't know for sure, but you are certainly right on the money with your comparison.
But is that what Arnold really saw? His early drawings for the file report were more like a spade ( shovel ), and from his distance details would not be visible. A lot is extrapolation and guesswork. Even the speed of the objects has been called into question and varies from possible speeds for the Ho229 to supersonic. Bottom line: If I had to put money on it one way or another, I'd admittedly ( if not a bit nervously ) have to go with your viewpoint.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
i have no idea who would be using them after the war ended and all wings were scrapped, so to me it remains a mistery, unless he saw a group of birds and filled the blanks later
wwkirk
Divine
Site of alleged 1947 UFO crash changes hands
The Hines Camp is part of the property northwest of Roswell where a mysterious object crashed in 1947. Some of the crash debris was stored in this structure. (John Dilmore Photo)
The 1947 UFO crash site is under new management.
Bogle Ltd. Co. of Dexter has sold the Lincoln County ranching property about 75 miles northwest of Roswell to Dinwiddie Cattle Co. LLC.
Something crashed in 1947 at what was then the J.B. Foster ranch, with the U.S. Army announcing it had recovered a “flying disc” but later saying the debris was merely the remnants of a high-altitude weather balloon. Speculation about extraterrestrials and government cover-ups has existed ever since, inspiring books, movies and TV shows as well as serious scholarship and research.
A deed filed with the Lincoln County Clerk’s Office shows that the crash-site property was transferred to the Dinwiddie Cattle Co. Nov. 26. The Lincoln County Assessor’s Office indicates the property is a bit larger than 78 acres.
Tommy Dinwiddie said the parcel happens to be part of a much larger land purchase for the cattle company’s ranching operations.
Without a strong personal interest in the UFO connection at this time, Dinwiddie said he can’t say for sure whether the crash-site property will be made available to the public.
“I just don’t know a whole lot about it,” Dinwiddie said. “The guy who is running the ranch over there for me knows quite a bit about it, and after we kind of get our feet on the ground running it, we will do some more talking about it and figuring out what we want to do.”
The Bogle family hosted tours of the site during the most recent UFO Festival in July, marking the first time that the group provided visitor access during its 66 years of ownership of the land. Prior to that, only researchers or documentary makers were given permission to be on the property.
The public’s fascination with the “Roswell Incident” and other UFO and extraterrestrial matters created a new tourism focus for the area, with numerous UFO-related businesses and events created as a result. The Roswell’s International UFO Museum Research Center now attracts more than 200,000 visitors worldwide each year, and the week-long UFO Festival brings in more than 30,000 tourists each summer.
The Hines Camp is part of the property northwest of Roswell where a mysterious object crashed in 1947. Some of the crash debris was stored in this structure. (John Dilmore Photo)
The 1947 UFO crash site is under new management.
Bogle Ltd. Co. of Dexter has sold the Lincoln County ranching property about 75 miles northwest of Roswell to Dinwiddie Cattle Co. LLC.
Something crashed in 1947 at what was then the J.B. Foster ranch, with the U.S. Army announcing it had recovered a “flying disc” but later saying the debris was merely the remnants of a high-altitude weather balloon. Speculation about extraterrestrials and government cover-ups has existed ever since, inspiring books, movies and TV shows as well as serious scholarship and research.
A deed filed with the Lincoln County Clerk’s Office shows that the crash-site property was transferred to the Dinwiddie Cattle Co. Nov. 26. The Lincoln County Assessor’s Office indicates the property is a bit larger than 78 acres.
Tommy Dinwiddie said the parcel happens to be part of a much larger land purchase for the cattle company’s ranching operations.
Without a strong personal interest in the UFO connection at this time, Dinwiddie said he can’t say for sure whether the crash-site property will be made available to the public.
“I just don’t know a whole lot about it,” Dinwiddie said. “The guy who is running the ranch over there for me knows quite a bit about it, and after we kind of get our feet on the ground running it, we will do some more talking about it and figuring out what we want to do.”
The Bogle family hosted tours of the site during the most recent UFO Festival in July, marking the first time that the group provided visitor access during its 66 years of ownership of the land. Prior to that, only researchers or documentary makers were given permission to be on the property.
The public’s fascination with the “Roswell Incident” and other UFO and extraterrestrial matters created a new tourism focus for the area, with numerous UFO-related businesses and events created as a result. The Roswell’s International UFO Museum Research Center now attracts more than 200,000 visitors worldwide each year, and the week-long UFO Festival brings in more than 30,000 tourists each summer.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Site of alleged 1947 UFO crash changes hands
The Hines Camp is part of the property northwest of Roswell where a mysterious object crashed in 1947. Some of the crash debris was stored in this structure. (John Dilmore Photo)
The 1947 UFO crash site is under new management.
Bogle Ltd. Co. of Dexter has sold the Lincoln County ranching property about 75 miles northwest of Roswell to Dinwiddie Cattle Co. LLC.
Something crashed in 1947 at what was then the J.B. Foster ranch, with the U.S. Army announcing it had recovered a “flying disc” but later saying the debris was merely the remnants of a high-altitude weather balloon. Speculation about extraterrestrials and government cover-ups has existed ever since, inspiring books, movies and TV shows as well as serious scholarship and research.
A deed filed with the Lincoln County Clerk’s Office shows that the crash-site property was transferred to the Dinwiddie Cattle Co. Nov. 26. The Lincoln County Assessor’s Office indicates the property is a bit larger than 78 acres.
Tommy Dinwiddie said the parcel happens to be part of a much larger land purchase for the cattle company’s ranching operations.
Without a strong personal interest in the UFO connection at this time, Dinwiddie said he can’t say for sure whether the crash-site property will be made available to the public.
“I just don’t know a whole lot about it,” Dinwiddie said. “The guy who is running the ranch over there for me knows quite a bit about it, and after we kind of get our feet on the ground running it, we will do some more talking about it and figuring out what we want to do.”
The Bogle family hosted tours of the site during the most recent UFO Festival in July, marking the first time that the group provided visitor access during its 66 years of ownership of the land. Prior to that, only researchers or documentary makers were given permission to be on the property.
The public’s fascination with the “Roswell Incident” and other UFO and extraterrestrial matters created a new tourism focus for the area, with numerous UFO-related businesses and events created as a result. The Roswell’s International UFO Museum Research Center now attracts more than 200,000 visitors worldwide each year, and the week-long UFO Festival brings in more than 30,000 tourists each summer.
It is a good place for cattle.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Here is a couple of pics i seen someplace, I dont know where, i tend to (prt sc) alot on good vids.
my guess is a movie prop,maybe?
I'd say the upper one is a prop for sure.....the lower one looks like a crashed missile.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
the first photo is a prop from the show "twilight zone" with the "roswell autopsy" alien photoshoped inHere is a couple of pics i seen someplace, I dont know where, i tend to (prt sc) alot on good vids.
my guess is a movie prop,maybe?
no idea what the second is but its definitely man-made
Rick Hunter
Celestial
The more I keep thinking about Roswell, I find there are too many interesting facts in the story to let it go. The most compelling one to me, is the undisputable fact that the USAF sent out a press release saying they had recovered a disc. Why in the hell would they do that, unless someone with fairly high level authority had decided that they really needed to? From what I can tell, the wreckage on the Foster ranch was not much of a news item until the disc story was released to the press. It's not like they suddenly needed a juicy cover story for a crashed top secret device that the press was clamoring over. In any event, a press release claiming that a saucer had been recovered was guaranteed to draw more not less attention.
The next day change of the story to a weather balloon complete with a photo of a bewildered Jesse Marcel looking at weather balloon pieces only makes the saucer angle look more compelling, as the USAF was obviously in full damage control mode. They painted themselves further into the same corner with the Project Mogul explanation 50 years later. One can only conclude that the USAF has lied about this incident at least two out of three times. It was either a disc, a weather balloon, a Mogul device, or an unnamed fourth option. It can't be all of the above.
The next day change of the story to a weather balloon complete with a photo of a bewildered Jesse Marcel looking at weather balloon pieces only makes the saucer angle look more compelling, as the USAF was obviously in full damage control mode. They painted themselves further into the same corner with the Project Mogul explanation 50 years later. One can only conclude that the USAF has lied about this incident at least two out of three times. It was either a disc, a weather balloon, a Mogul device, or an unnamed fourth option. It can't be all of the above.