Travis Walton paycheck

[Creepy Green Light]

Not new news of course but I wish I had known this in 1979 yet any documentary on the case omits any information about the National Enquirer that happened to be having a UFO contest with a cash prize (that the won) & other things (like he was a UFO enthusiast, he was convicted of bank fraud, the made for TV movie "The UFO Incident" about Betty and Barney Hill was aired on television Oct 20, 1975 & Walton's incident happened 16 days later on Nov 5, 1975 etc.)

 

[Double Nought Spy]

 

[Double Nought Spy]

This always seemed like a pretty solid case to me, with a few loose ends that looked like they were easily within the chaos and freaked out behavior the crew would have surely shown if it was real. Lately, though, important parts of it seem to be coming unraveled.

One aspect of what appears to be the story's major strength is the one thing that keeps me from writing it off, though. I may have mentioned this before, but I have worked on crews very much like this outfit, in a number of ways. My experience in such circumstances is mostly in construction crews, occupying various positions that are similar to these guys, at different times. You might have a couple of brothers, the older one being the guy who can land the gig, a second cousin, a brother-in-law, one guy nobody really likes but he has a good truck and some tools necessary to pull off the job. The guy who moved to the area a few months ago and seems legit, at least. A motley crew, in other words, with widely varying degrees of trust, loyalty, tolerance. I just have a very hard time imagining that outfit pulling off such an outrageous hoax, if that's what it was.

As I recall, this case was "solved" again recently by someone who figured out there was a fire watch tower in the general vicinity of the spot where Walton disappeared. That the core group of Walton and his bro-in-law was able to trick the others into believing they saw a flying saucer. This may just almost be plausible, but I doubt it. That would have required a level of planning and competence and extra work that I don't think was in the capacity of the crew that was behind on their logging contract. I don't believe there is any actual evidence that the tower was used or even accessible to the suspects. I could be wrong, and I have not been following any UFO stuff in any detail. At any rate, if that was possible, it sure doesn't mean that's what happened.

Over forty years on, and yes there have been tensions within the group but even with the animosity between Walton and Bro-in-law, it hasn't fallen apart.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

This always seemed like a pretty solid case to me, with a few loose ends that looked like they were easily within the chaos and freaked out behavior the crew would have surely shown if it was real. Lately, though, important parts of it seem to be coming unraveled.

One aspect of what appears to be the story's major strength is the one thing that keeps me from writing it off, though. I may have mentioned this before, but I have worked on crews very much like this outfit, in a number of ways. My experience in such circumstances is mostly in construction crews, occupying various positions that are similar to these guys, at different times. You might have a couple of brothers, the older one being the guy who can land the gig, a second cousin, a brother-in-law, one guy nobody really likes but he has a good truck and some tools necessary to pull off the job. The guy who moved to the area a few months ago and seems legit, at least. A motley crew, in other words, with widely varying degrees of trust, loyalty, tolerance. I just have a very hard time imagining that outfit pulling off such an outrageous hoax, if that's what it was.

As I recall, this case was "solved" again recently by someone who figured out there was a fire watch tower in the general vicinity of the spot where Walton disappeared. That the core group of Walton and his bro-in-law was able to trick the others into believing they saw a flying saucer. This may just almost be plausible, but I doubt it. That would have required a level of planning and competence and extra work that I don't think was in the capacity of the crew that was behind on their logging contract. I don't believe there is any actual evidence that the tower was used or even accessible to the suspects. I could be wrong, and I have not been following any UFO stuff in any detail. At any rate, if that was possible, it sure doesn't mean that's what happened.

Over forty years on, and yes there have been tensions within the group but even with the animosity between Walton and Bro-in-law, it hasn't fallen apart.

I thought it was real decades ago until I learned of all the other things that Travis never mentions nor does any narrator to a documentary. The final few nails in the coffin for me was; that it happened 16 days after The UFO Incident aired on television (what a great idea getting abducted by aliens!), The National Enquirer UFO contest that just happened at the right time and the human/muscular looking male alien with longer hair that could speak perfect English & wore a clear fish bowl helmet.

 

[pigfarmer]

.....and his mom wasn't worried that he was missing, and the first people that got to him were ufo investigators who took a jar of his urine for some reason, and supposedly he was about to fail on a contract he had taken to clear land. His version of what happened have nothing to do with the movie. No sorry, too many flies buzzing around this turd for my satisfaction.

You want to go hang your hat on witness credibility try Calvin Parker

 

[Creepy Green Light]

.....and his mom wasn't worried that he was missing, and the first people that got to him were ufo investigators who took a jar of his urine for some reason, and supposedly he was about to fail on a contract he had taken to clear land. His version of what happened have nothing to do with the movie. No sorry, too many flies buzzing around this turd for my satisfaction.

You want to go hang your hat on witness credibility try Calvin Parker

You're exactly right. When I step back and look at it from a different angle it's amazing that Travis trippled down on his story and has made somewhat of a living off of it (maybe an entire living?). All the conventions, talk shows, movie deals, documentaries, speaker appearances etc. Pretty scary seeing someone lie to your face especially with a whopper like struck by an energy beam then taken into the saucer which in turn flies into a bigger flying saucer and interactions with different races of aliens. Then them bringing him back.

One of the other things that nobody ever questions is; so the flying saucer reemerges into the Earth's atmosphere back to Snowflake, AZ while Travis is unconscious. But after the aliens dropped him off in his state of unconsciousness they said "Let's at least hover until he wakes up. That's the least we can do for him." If they just dropped him off in that state they're just going to leave. What if it took him 6 hours to regain consciousness? They would just have to waste energy by hovering the entire time? That's a little detail that is overlooked because Travis claims he saw the craft afterwards & it zipped away. Lie.

 

[pigfarmer]

Problem with this case is the same as many - far too many people have taken a leap of faith and have convinced themselves of the reality of their particular favorite, or favorite theory, and stop looking at facts. Not those 'alternative facts' kind but the ones you can explain to your grandmother.

I look at a lot of this stuff like panning for gold, you gotta throw away a lot of **** to get what you want. What do you really have left in the pan you can point to? In Travis' case not much.

 

[Shadowprophet]

Well, One has to look at this from all the different angles.

Point one, Anyone who has ever seen or experienced anything is absolutely dying to prove the claim with photographic or metaphoric evidence.

Point Two, anyone who has a Valid experience is beyond welcomed, One Could almost say, Summoned to Duty to report their experience to others who need that input to satisfy or justify their own biases. To simplify, If someone had experienced something, We all realize there is a genuine value in that experience, Because a great many of us seek that golden apple, That one piece of proof that solidifies it for them, So they know they haven't been out chasing the wild geese with their own biases.

In the end, if you had some sort of experience that you could share with the world, a great many people will be willing to pay top dollar to get their hands on that story to either retain the rights to the stories content or to get exclusive details that other sources wont, or simply to be the first to report it.


I understand the altruistic nature of the majority of people, they think to themselves, if I had "the goods" I'd give it freely to the public, they would feel it's their duty to science or to bold morality.

But when the times comes to get that story out, you would just be throwing away money by not picking the guy offering two million dollars for the story.

I know which choice I would make. I know which choice most people would make. History, and culture and virtue and scientific enlightenment doesn't put grandkids through college.

 

[pigfarmer]

good to see you back @Shadowprophet !

 

[Shadowprophet]

good to see you back @Shadowprophet !

Hey bro, long time no see, I've been thinking about coming back for a while now, it's been really hard to find any time.. I've been so busy weeks begin to run Into one a another lol

 

[pigfarmer]

I've been so busy weeks begin to run Into one a another

Yeah, I switched gears a few weeks back and have been home a lot but working on stuff. I poke at AE here idly during the day - mental bubble gum. Gotta throw some weird **** into the mix.

 

[pigfarmer]

Well, One has to look at this from all the different angles.

Point one, Anyone who has ever seen or experienced anything is absolutely dying to prove the claim with photographic or metaphoric evidence.

Point Two, anyone who has a Valid experience is beyond welcomed, One Could almost say, Summoned to Duty to report their experience to others who need that input to satisfy or justify their own biases. To simplify, If someone had experienced something, We all realize there is a genuine value in that experience, Because a great many of us seek that golden apple, That one piece of proof that solidifies it for them, So they know they haven't been out chasing the wild geese with their own biases.

In the end, if you had some sort of experience that you could share with the world, a great many people will be willing to pay top dollar to get their hands on that story to either retain the rights to the stories content or to get exclusive details that other sources wont, or simply to be the first to report it.


I understand the altruistic nature of the majority of people, they think to themselves, if I had "the goods" I'd give it freely to the public, they would feel it's their duty to science or to bold morality.

But when the times comes to get that story out, you would just be throwing away money by not picking the guy offering two million dollars for the story.

I know which choice I would make. I know which choice most people would make. History, and culture and virtue and scientific enlightenment doesn't put grandkids through college.

I can't speak to Travis' motives but what I can say is that if you have a genuine experience don't make Step One a trip to a UFO group with a jar of your piss.

Also, do not underestimate Attention Seeking Behavior. There might not be any financial incentive but people do like to be the center of attention. In this arena even the most ridiculous nonsense will be accepted by a certain percentage. Works in politics, works in ufology. I put Col. Corso and Walter Haut into that category.