UFO Disclosure: Why Hasn’t it Happened? Is Something, or Someone, Preventing It?

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  1. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    UFO Disclosure: Why Hasn’t it Happened? Is Something, or Someone, Preventing It?
    By Nick Redfern

    Those are questions I’ve been getting in the last few months. The sheer level of UFO activity that has been mentioned online and in other media (the only one for me being CNN) has clearly demonstrated that. Frankly, in my view if, tomorrow, the U.S. Government chose to reveal a bunch of dead, mangled, rotted alien bodies before the world, I don’t think that anyone would be worried, scared or even terrified. I think most people would be amazed, and eager to see what aliens really look like. That’s how I feel. But, it hasn’t happened. And, as I see it, there are only two options: (a) there will be disclosure; or (b) there won’t be disclosure. But you knew that, right? Right! So, here’s how I see it: the reason why we aren’t getting full disclosure is because there’s something that is so monumentally bizarre or terrifying that no-one wants to reveal it. And because no-one in government wants to reveal it. The approach of the government may simply be: “We don’t know how to say it, or how reveal it, so let’s just hide it. Forever. ” I sometimes think that really is why we don’t have disclosure and may never will. Possibly, it can’t be told without fucking up all of human civilization.

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    I should stress I don’t have any new, secret rumors to support what I’m about to say now. None, at all. But, there is one picture that I believe could be the one that ensures we never get to know the complete, full picture. I’ll say this: I’m not a religious person. I have no particular stance on life after death, deities, gods, Hell, Heaven, reincarnation, and so on. Although, dogs just have to have souls. A greater animal was never created. Far better than us. Like most people, I occasionally wonder about it all, but that hardly makes things any clearer. It just means I occasionally have opinions on such controversies. There is however, one issue – directly related to all that Heaven and Hell stuff – that I think would be the key issue that would prevent us (all of us) from being informed. It’s a story that revolves around the human soul. Now and again, I’ve been told of tales concerning the human soul and its supposed links to the UFO subject. I started to get a lot of information on this issue in 2007 when I was researching my book, Final Events, and interviewing a few people from the so-called Collins Elite group.

    Some of the C.E. members told me of a belief (not proof) in their ranks that the human soul was suspected of being a form of “fuel” for the black-eyed Grays of Ufology. In simple terms, the scenario was very similar to the picture in The Matrix: that our souls are nothing less than fodder to the aliens. Rather than being reliant on electricity, as is the picture. And, that’s why we can never be told, so it goes for some. Because it’s too terrifying: kind of like the classic words of Charles Fort: “We are someone else’s property.” I didn’t have long and lengthy conversations with the Collins Elite about all of this (I wish I did), but I can say that most of them had bought into that angle of soul-stealing ETs. And, when I did bring it up, it caused a lot of awkwardness. In some cases, fear. I’m hardly religious, but it even made me feel a bit clammy and cold when it was first shared with me.

    Of course, there’s nothing new about this theory of aliens really being demons. When, however, you get the picture of it from a guy in his seventies, who worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency, and who was talking, in serious tones, about how the story cannot be told – and while leafing through the pages of Kurt Seligmann’s 1948 book, The Mirror Magic – things start to get a bit serious – and surreal. With that said, let’s take a look at what sounds eerily similar to some of the things I was told from 2007 to 2010. Probably the one person, more than any other, who concludes that the alien presence on our planet is driven by the “soul-scenario” is Nigel Kerner. He has written two books on the subject. They are The Song of the Greys and Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls. Combined, they make a worryingly persuasive argument for the theory that aliens somehow “use” the human soul. Danielle Silverman, Kerner’s assistant, prepared the following for me on his theories and conclusions. She stated that Kerner, “…went on to delineate a fascinating concept, explaining that a ‘soul’ might be a derivational information field that comes out of a natural cadence that came into the Universe with the big bang. This field holds the power to maintain information in what he called a morphogenetic electro-spatial field with an eternal scope of existence in whatever form circumstance allows. The soul is thus an ancestrally contiguous and coherent mechanism for holding information.”

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    My copy of the Seligmann book

    It’s also worth noting the experience of Sergeant John Healey, of the U.S. Army Reserve. On the night of October 18, 1973, he encountered a brightly-lit UFO, as he and his colleagues were on-board a UH-1H helicopter, rapidly closing in on Cleveland Hopkins, Airport, Ohio. In the aftermath of the encounter – which, in essence, was a near-collision between the two craft – Healey had several weird out-of-body experiences, as he told to UFO investigator, Jennie Zeidman. It was, he explained, as if he was dead in his bed, and that his spirit was above him, staring down at his sleeping form in the bed. That Sergeant Healey’s experiences occurred not in relation to the abduction phenomenon, but to a UFO sighting, suggests that other components of the UFO issue come into play when it comes to the relationship between UFOs, life after death, and our souls. Notably, several members of the helicopter crew were later contacted by representatives of the Department of Defense, who exhibited interest in – and deep concerns about – the UFO / soul-ingestion angle. This suggests a disturbing scenario: that certain elements of the U.S. Government may know something of the origins and agenda of the paranormal parasites.

    It’s a fact that most people who have studied the claims of Bob Lazar focus their attentions on what he had to say about the UFOs allegedly held at S-4, as well as his statements concerning Element 115. There is one issue that doesn’t get the attention that it really should. It’s a part of Lazar’s story which takes things down a path that is filled with disturbing revelations involving the afterlife. One of the many briefing papers that Lazar said he read at S-4 stated that the aliens refer to us, the human race, as what we would call “Containers.” But, containers of what? Well, that’s where things get really controversial. Lazar told KLAS-TV’s George Knapp “religion was created so we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose of not damaging the containers.” As for the “Containers,” the Knapp-Lazar discussion then went into the matter of human souls and their importance. How much of all this (some of it, all of it, none of it) is true, I have to say I don’t know. What I do know for sure, though, is that there are a lot of people in the U.S. government, and in the U.S. intelligence community, who do believe this is the real picture. And, from their perspective, that’s why we won’t get full disclosure. We’ll get a sanitized-type disclosure. Because, they say, it’s much easier on everyone. A case of what we don’t get won’t hurt us. Until, possibly, it eventually does.


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  2. Spaceman spiff

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    Meaningless BS without any evidence. When you start mixing up Ufology with the bible, mysticism and the occult, were in trouble. Vallee has already gone way too deep this route, making too many unneccesary jumps. Time of demons, ghosts and goblins should be in the past, in the dark ages, yet we still see people slipping back into there. It is deeply troubling if beliefs like these stand in the way of any genuine first contact scenario, or start hampering them.

    "Collins elite" seem to be a group of religious nuts, and im not listening to anything a fraud like Lazar says.
     
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  3. Spaceman spiff

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    The fact that were even talking about demons in regards to all of this is just embarrasing. No wonder no one wants to contact our species.
     
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  4. nivek

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    That's pretty much why I don't subscribe to Vallee's ideas and theories in a nut shell...The idea of alien visitations originating in other dimensions and realities when there's a whole visible universe in our sights as an obvious origin of ETs is illogical...Its logical to assume that our space neighbors would be the first ones to find and visit our planet, not some remote aliens who don't even reside in our universe...

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  5. SOUL-DRIFTER

    SOUL-DRIFTER Life Long Researcher

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    I do not agree with Vallee either. But only because he did not see other universes with a scope of possible reality...IMHO.
    World near our own but in some neighboring universe may be effected when we detonated the atomic bomb. It was shortly after this that the UFO reports started surging...and many encounters with the UFO occupants had reports of their claiming to come from another universe.

    I too do not agree with the demon/religious hokus pokus about UFOs or any of their occupants.
    I have felt the lack of disclosure has much to do the state of the world as it is today AND the volume and caliber of that disclosure. I think to lay it all out would be more than they are willing to do just yet. Their UFO secrets predate Roswell by decades and involves much including some Cryptids as well.
    ...IMHO
     
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  6. 1963

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    Hi Spiff, hope you are well mate. :Thumbsup: ... I think that you are on the right track with that statement my friend. ... But then I go a lot [boringly] further and could point out examples of the general inadequacy of the human race as a whole to be included in ...[ for want of a better description ] ... the intergalactic community . [Yes, it sounds a bit silly, but I believe it possible , or even logical for there to be something not too unlike the Star Trek Federation. ... laugh if you like, but it makes perfect sense to me. ] ... To put it the short way, ... as a species, humans do not have the required amount of humanity and empathy for 'even our own kind' let alone any empathy toward other life forms! Our greed and ambitions vastly outweigh our needs and there can be no doubts that our obsessive compulsion to prove that we are destined to populate the universe [because of our 'higher intelligence'] would compel us to trample-on, pillage and destroy anything/one that we perceive to be of lesser importance. .... All in all, we just aren't mentally advanced enough to be allowed to roam the cosmic wilderness unchecked. ... And I don't know if we ever will be? To a truly advanced species of extraterrestrials, I imagine that we could be compared to Chimpanzees. ....All very cute and could be taught a few technical-parlour-tricks and maybe even used in the odd low-tech menial jobs. ... But when all's said and done , no matter the new sophisticated appearance that we adopt, beneath the veneer we are still Chimpanzees and are just as likely to revert to type and simply bite the hand that feeds us whenever we feel aggrieved or it is the right time to make a move of dominance! it's in our nature, and can only be tempered by time... and judging by the state of this world that we consider "ours" ... that is obviously a great amount of time yet.
    And this is my answer to the main question of "Why No Disclosure?"... the ones that have taken the decision to 'not disclose and cover up the UFO/ET-truth' , the ones that we refer to as the top-brass, MIB, majestic 12 or whatever are necessarily the elite minds of our species and easily recognise these facts, and therefore are would be acting in the correct manner in their obfuscation and above-top-level-secrecy [until the time is right] ... but then that's where i'm personally confused? ... if they are the guardians of the truth and are simply sheltering the rest of us plebs from the idea that we are a long way from being as 'sophisticated' as we believe we are until we advance enough to accept our many failings, then why do we see no evidence of their forceful guidance? ... why are they not pushing us toward ending the third world at all? ... Why are they allowing slavery to exist today? ... Why are we still pumping all of the Earth-destroying-shit into the atmosphere constantly when there are alternatives? etc, etc!
    As for the subject of this thread from Nick Redfern? ... Well, I can just say that Nick is Nick, and while I have nothing against him personally, and would willingly consent that the guy has been doing this long enough to be able to make a crust out of his knowledge, I get the impression that Nick would print anything to make that decent living, whether he believes a bar of it himself or not. ... And to Jacques Vallee , John Keel and all of that ilk , well i've spouted my belief that such men are far too intelligent to believe in any of that 'cosmic-joker-shite' that they have made many millions out of, and therefore the only logical reason for such drivel is that they are obfuscatory-agents intentionally and skilfully using the art of misdirection to cloudy the waters of real UFO/ETH research. :Sneaky:
    ... btw... Out of body experience or not, the Coyne Incident of 1973 is in my honest opinion , one of the top 10 pukka events in this genre and should not even be mentioned in the rest of Nick Redfern's frivolous thread.

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  7. Sheltie

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    I believe intelligent life is discreetly monitoring us, keeping their distance in order to allow us to evolve independently, much like the prime directive in Star Trek. Certainly they do not wish to destroy us or enslave us as they could have done so long ago. That being said, however, their motives may not be entirely altruistic.
     
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  8. Skepticide123

    Skepticide123 Asymmetric Contact From Hyperdimensional Aliens.

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    Though I am not a believer in ancient astronaut theories, I do think UFOs (non-human technologies / devices) have been here for a very long time. It's not that UFOs are demons, but that UFOs of the past would have been interpreted as gods, angels, spirits or demons. The RAND report suggest as much:
    • UFOs: What To Do? 1968
      George Kocher

      Since World War II, there seems to have been a drastic increase in the number of UFO sightings. UFOs are unambiguously extraordinary and clearly inexplicable in modern terms. The author examines the UFO phenomenon and suggests the need for more standardized reporting to obtain more objective data.

    • Sightings of unidentified foreign objects (UFOs) have been reported throughout the centuries—most of them given a religious interpretation. Since World War II, however, there seems to have been a drastic increase in the number of sightings. We have enough data—both visual and photographic—on some of these sightings to know that the phenomenon is unambiguously extraordinary and clearly inexplicable in modern terms. The author examines UFO brightness, size, and maneuvers, and discusses the frequency and location of sightings. He ends by suggesting the need for more standardized reporting on UFOs, so that times and locations of appearances may be anticipated and badly needed objective data may be obtained.
    If I was a person living in ancient times, I would ABSOLUTELY have interpreted my experience with UFOs to be something "supernatural"....

    Imagine if THIS had happened to an ancient army:
    The 1958 MONON UFO Incident


    OR this:
    https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...-newspaper-articles.65811/page-3#post-1859029


     
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  9. Sheltie

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    If we accept the theory that intelligent visitors have been here all along then there probably have been opportunities where alien technology has been found/captured. Reverse engineering can be much more complicated than people realize. Analyzing technology that is possibly thousands of years ahead of our own takes a tremendous amount of time. In many cases we may never fully understand the mechanics involved.

    New technological advancements based on reverse engineering may be upon us very soon. Many discoveries may advance things exponentially.
     
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