1963
Noble
Hi Nivek, hope you are well my old friend.
... That's the notorious "William Rhodes" [shoe-heel] UFO picture from back on 7th July1947.... believe they are genuine or not, the claim from Kenneth Arnold and especially 'Ray Palmer' that "all the copies of [the 1947 newspaper showing the Rhodes photos] were seized by the army, in a house-to-house canvass and all plates from the newspaper, plus the photo negatives and prints". was most certainly false and the figment of Palmer's creative imagination in order to sell more copies of his Fate Magazines and of the books that he and Arnold were to co create in the near future..... as even before they made this claim, 64,000 copies containing the pictures and story had been bought -- far beyond the number the could be feasibly seized. ... and in that first printing of Rhodes account The paper explained that Rhodes had voluntarily turned over the pictures to government authorities . [a fact that far too often magically alters as time and story-tellers change over a period of time]
I'm not saying that, I think that the pictures were 'faked' by Rhodes [or his account of them] ... nor am I saying that Rhodes' later claim that the pictures the authorities took away were altered is necessarily unbelievable [quite the contrary really] ... but when I see that blatant falsehoods such as "the pictures were censored" is still being bandied around 70-odd years later,.... it reminds me that "absolute rectitude" in this genre is still a very rare commodity. ... and the fact that the new students of this fascinating subject are bound to be still oblivious to the fact that "Sensationalism transcends authenticity every time" ... and that's a real shame.
Lets face it, ... the Rhodes pictures and even the chimeric Rhodes himself are interesting enough to study by their own merit, without the added click-bait-b.s added on to the story.
Cheers Buddy.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
It's been getting warm and nice and I have been outside a fair bit. A 747 was circling around, at one point with its landing gear down. You can barely tell what type of HUGE aircraft it is much less see the gear. Normally when I post photos I reduce them by 80%. Didn't do anything with these. Admittedly this is an iPhone 8 and the camera isn't the best but its what I have. I'd like to see what a current cell phone can do if anyone has one and the inclination to try this. Not as easy as you think - I wasn't particularly surprised by this and have plenty of practice. Something really weird does this all bets are off.
Point is - that's a 747 down very low in a landing pattern for SWF and yet see how it is in these pictures. The one thing Ray Stanford said I totally agree with is that if you're going to do this having dedicated gear on hand all the time is the way to go.
NO ZOOM
ALL THE ZOOM THE PHONE HAS
Point is - that's a 747 down very low in a landing pattern for SWF and yet see how it is in these pictures. The one thing Ray Stanford said I totally agree with is that if you're going to do this having dedicated gear on hand all the time is the way to go.
NO ZOOM
ALL THE ZOOM THE PHONE HAS
Dejan Corovic
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If you have about $1,500 you can get yourself a relatively small & portable camera with a huge telephoto zoom, I think either 400mm or 600mm. It would have at least 4 stops stabilisation, so you can shoot from hand. As a matter of a fact Nikon has a camera with built in 1,000mm zoom which actually can make daytime photos of planet Saturn! But one needs a massive tripod to stabilize the whole thing from wind influence etc. I've actually had seen a video on YouTube guy doing that. Pretty unbelevable.
Another reason for having telephoto camera is that, for whatever reason, UFOs have a habit of flying through airliner contrails. My theory is that UFO pilots are young guys, relatively speaking in any society that's rookie's job, and they are simply doing it for fun when their superiors can't see them.
But much bigger thing then having camera is to keep moving.
Once I read on MUFON's web site a testimony from a US guy who deliberately drove out in his car anytime he had time with a deliberate intent to catch UFO. Obviously he lived far from metropolitan areas. I think after about a year he actually managed to see one and as far as I remember he was under the impression that he had some missing time, so he might had even been abducted.
This "keep moving" strategy was done even better by British top urologist Margaret Fry. She registered herself with local police, south of London and each time police passed a witness onto her she went to investigate. Because UFOs have a slight tendency to revisit the same area more then once she ended having about 50 calls per year and out of that seeing about 2 UFOs per year over a long period of about 25 years.
Quite impressive.
That's what I plan doing anyway. Just need to get car soon.
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Actually, the idea of becoming some sort of grassroots local investigator appeals to me. I'm in my 'finally do what you want' frame of mind but have too many other things calling for my time and attention at the moment. I live in the right area for it, so says the UFO community.
Dejan Corovic
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Yeah, I'll do it as well, as soon as practically possible. Currently I live in London. I think it would be much better to live a bit out in the sticks.
Margaret Fry actually lived on the outskirts of London, in Croydon, and she covered an area of Sussex and Kent approximately 100 km in diameter. Her husband did all the car driving.
Important thing is to do multi-spectral recordings: visual, thermal, diffraction, gravitational ( with accelerometers ) and EM signature. Its a 2 person job.
Standingstones
Celestial
Does MUFON have presence in your area?
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I think they will once I pay them for membership
Don't think it's much though.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
London is full of things much, much older than we have here and sounds like a cool place to ghost hunt. That's the tourist in me talking. It's one of the very, very few places I'd like to go overseas right now. You really want a trip down fantasy lane, I'd love a transatlantic ocean crossing on a big liner. Hold the icebergs, please.
Todd Feinman
Show us the satellite pics...
I'd suggest investigating on your own. Even holding a meeting at a local community center --you could start your own group. Established groups like MUFON can be like a little clique or club and that's what happens when folks who have often never even seen a UFO take ownership of the UFO phenomenon --because they have always had a passionate interest in it and think the are the high priests, like so many bloggers, talking heads and Johnny-come-lately scientists. It is very weird for folks who have seen UFOs! It's like only they know your mother!
I used to attend meetings, but no longer.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
IDK what membership costs today but if it were inexpensive I'd get it just for a hoot. I always wanted to be a Doctor of Divinity - used to be $20 gets you a card but I never did it. Maybe now is the time for both - cover my bases. A Kentucky Colonel would be wonderful too but since I've never even been there that'll be more of a stretch. Hunter S Thompson referred to his friend Johnny as Colonel Depp. Jealous.
You're right about local groups. We have an excellent library system here that might be a good place to start. Pre COVID there were various groups that would meet there.
Wannabe UFO hunters became so pestiferous that over in Pine Bush a.k.a the wormhole to the Galactic Empire has road signs that tell you parking on the roadside for UFO hunting is strictly verboten. It's a safety issue - dark lonely windy roads. Next time I'm over that way I'll grab a photo of one.
You're right about local groups. We have an excellent library system here that might be a good place to start. Pre COVID there were various groups that would meet there.
Wannabe UFO hunters became so pestiferous that over in Pine Bush a.k.a the wormhole to the Galactic Empire has road signs that tell you parking on the roadside for UFO hunting is strictly verboten. It's a safety issue - dark lonely windy roads. Next time I'm over that way I'll grab a photo of one.
Dejan Corovic
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That's so funny.
Yeah, being a member of a large organisation like MUFON has its advantages and disadvantages. Advantage is that large percentage of witnesses know about them so lots of cases get reported to them. On the downside investigators do all the hard work and incur expenses out of their own pocket, but higher ups get all the credit. As well, all the research aspect of the investigations gets dumbed down, because there are few scientifically literary people so all reports end up being uncomplete and vague.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
What I won't be doing is developing any affectations; fedoras, waxed mustaches or any of the silly stuff I've seen. I heard an interview with someone - forget who - that said in paranormal investigations he brings a pad and pencil and actually listens to what witnesses have to say. Sound advice. You're right about a quality camera - I'd sooner spend the $$ on that than some of the pseudoscientific gadgetry. That's all on the back burner right now though - but it is on the stove ..........
I've seen the Pine Bush PD. Like, all of them - it's a wee little town and there's only a few. Sort of a quaint bulge in the road really. They'd be the ones to approach.
I'll bring donuts.
I've seen the Pine Bush PD. Like, all of them - it's a wee little town and there's only a few. Sort of a quaint bulge in the road really. They'd be the ones to approach.
I'll bring donuts.
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Todd Feinman
Show us the satellite pics...
Starting in about 2013 I began to make presentations at the local adult community center about UFOs, using the old articles I posted here in the 'Old Encounters" thread. It was amazing how many people would come up to me and tell me about the amazing UFO experiences they had --many were just as interesting as more well-known cases. You are in for some amazing times, Pigfarmer!! This book is the same kind of thing:
View: https://www.amazon.com/GRASSROOTS-UFOs-Reports-Center-Studies-ebook/dp/B00M9QVLXS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28ZAIQUDY9HC1&keywords=grassroots+ufos&qid=1680800606&sprefix=grassroots+ufos%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-1
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
Margaret Fry might be a little known UFO researcher, but, I dare say, learned quite a lot from her. I summarise some good points here:
- her source was police. She just went to a local police, and asked them to send her any people reporting sightings. Biggest advantage of police as a source is that one avoids hoaxers, because few people would dare taking mickey of police.
- police gave her about 50 leads per year, or about one per week. Out of 50 UFO leads per year, she had seen personally about 2 UFO per year, because UFOs have tendency to come back.
- UFO sightings are heavily under-reported and particularly more unbelievable ones, involving close proximity to ships and possibly seeing aliens.
Because of what I've learned so far existence of UFOs or aliens wouldn't surprise me that much or change my world view, but would be a heck of an experience, not to mention if I came to se 2 of them each year. Doubly so if I would manage to record some scientific data and develop some kind of communication with them.
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
As a matter of fact, if you fancy a first class UFO e-books, but ridiculously under-priced, here is a list of what Margaret Fry published on Amazon. You'll even find my reviews there.
Margaret-Ellen Fry: books, biography, latest update
Follow Margaret-Ellen Fry and explore their bibliography from Amazon.com's Margaret-Ellen Fry Author Page.
www.amazon.co.uk
Standingstones
Celestial
Sorry to say this. It looks like a poor Photoshop job in the first picture.
nivek
As Above So Below
UFOs are spotted flying on dark side of the Moon in video recorded in broad daylight - but not all viewers are convinced
Two unidentified flying objects have been 'spotted' over the dark side of the moon, a social media user has claimed. At least two white objects can apparently be seen floating over the moon in footage posted to TikTok last week. The TikTok video, posted by user Larry Loo, is captioned 'What is this object near the moon?' and has over 4.6million likes and 100,000 comments. But some users pointed out poster described himself as a 'computer graphics artist' in his bio before the description was removed. Some TikTok users speculated about the objects and one said the moon was a 'space station' used by aliens.(More on the link)
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