# What if gravity has Mass?

Discussion in 'Science, Tech, & Space Exploration' started by Shadowprophet, Mar 30, 2020.

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Had a Talk with Kchoo about This, And This Idea came to be.

I would go into greater detail with this But I believe I can Deliver this in a more efficient way.

As the universe expands we can see the Doppler effect in distant galaxies, somewhat like Sound light has a Doppler effect, Galaxies outside of our own, at least to our perception are perceived differently when they are further away as opposed the closer to us, We can tell where galaxies outside of the milky way are going and how fast they are moving, These observations fit within Einstein's theory of General relativity, The universe's expansion is one predicted outcome of GR. But, Correct me If I'm wrong, But The Acceleration of the Expansion of the universe, Doesn't really line up with relativity understanding of gravity.

You can check this, I will wait,

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I mean according to Einstien, The universe should be slowing down, Not accelerating. There are a number of theories about what could be the cause of the acceleration of the expansion of the universe, But a leading one Would be The theory of Dark energy, But if you really break out the tool kit on Dark energy, doesn't that just really mean, "Energy we don't understand so we call it Dark- Energy?"

But in the Standard Model, we have the four fundamental forces, Strong force, Electromagnetic force, Weak force, and Gravitational force, Each force has a carrier it interacts with, The Strong force has Gluons. Electromagnetic force has photons, The Weak force has Bosons,

But Gravity, Gravity doesn't have a carrier, But a carrier has been theorized, In Hypothesis, It's carrier would be a Graviton,, If we could find them, Which despite our efforts we haven't done so yet. The theory of relativity states if gravitons did exist, , They Should be massless, But If the Graviton, did possess mass, This could solve the mystery of the universes accelerating expansion, If Gravitons Had mass, Than Gravity, as a force wouldn't as easily be able to propagate over long distances, Mathematically, Gravity as a force, would be weaker on a cosmological scale, If it possessed mass. Gravity wouldn't be able to slow down the expansion of our universe if it possessed mass in this way, This could even Hints that Dark energy could have been Gravity this entire time, THis is a theory I've spoken about at length With Kchoo, But I'm just now getting around to posting about it. Kchoo knows more about science than he lets on, Trust in that...

If gravity itself is a particle with mass, It takes up space, if Gravity "possessed mass" Then It could be doing the Job we have assigned to The mysterious Dark energy this entire time.

Just a thought, Trash it if you absolutely need to, to make the current model make sense again... It changes nothing of the solidarity in this theory.

gone to smoke pot until the universe makes sense, SP.

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I think simple explainations come from simple observations first.

Do we actually see our Universe expanding? Hubble says yes.
And what properties of energy exist that we can observe? The flux of an atom, the glow of emitters in a vacuum tube, the proof of neutrinos bombarding and slipping through atoms...

So could the catalyst be
electromagnetic radiation?
(estimated to constitute from 0.005% to close to 0.01% of the total mass-energy of the Universe) and antimatter? So mass may not be as important as the properties. What effect does Electromagnetic radiation of the mass in the universe?

Could it be the microwaves of matter itself causing or at least contributing to acceleration?

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What effect does Electromagnetic radiation of the mass in the universe have on expansion?

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And there is this: it is a prior note I wrote in a 2019 PM, but I think it is worth sharing here as well.
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Here is a really interesting article. It makes me continue to ponder the possibility of surfing the very fabric of space for deeper travel.

According to this article, these waves travel at light speed... I can imagine that catching a wave is much like a surfer on a surfboard.

I can also infer that if waves do exist, then it may be possible to create thrust in this fabric of space with the right technology, using a type of gravity wave propulsion, much like a simple seado.

What do you think?

Einstein was right: Scientists detect gravitational waves