Would you like to make contact with an alien race? Why?

[SOUL-DRIFTER]

Sure I would enjoy meeting an off world species.
I have invited a contact with any visitor since about 1970. So it has been about 47 years now and zilch.
Not really bother by it none though.
Go ahead call me crazy...but I know I have meet other species in lives past. Some that would make the sight of, cause ones heart to stop with fear.
Looks are deceiving and it is important for us to remember that and not judge by appearances. The ugliest most terrifying looking entity could be the most honest and friendliest while the most appealing in appearances could be the total opposite.

 

[August]

Sure I would enjoy meeting an off world species.
I have invited a contact with any visitor since about 1970. So it has been about 47 years now and zilch.
Not really bother by it none though.
Go ahead call me crazy...but I know I have meet other species in lives past. Some that would make the sight of, cause ones heart to stop with fear.
Looks are deceiving and it is important for us to remember that and not judge by appearances. The ugliest most terrifying looking entity could be the most honest and friendliest while the most appealing in appearances could be the total opposite.

The sight of a Tarantula alien getting out of a spaceship would be enough to put most people off wanting to meet them. The saying from a lot of sci fi movies where the aliens state " you would be horrified by our appearance " may well ring true . That's why there has been no official contact.

 

[CasualBystander]

The sight of a Tarantula alien getting out of a spaceship would be enough to put most people off wanting to meet them. The saying from a lot of sci fi movies where the aliens state " you would be horrified by our appearance " may well ring true . That's why there has been no official contact.

Unless earth was seeded by Aliens there is little or no chance they would be remotely like us.

Too many branches on the evolution tree.

 

[nivek]

Unless earth was seeded by Aliens there is little or no chance they would be remotely like us.

Too many branches on the evolution tree.

If we were seeded here by others I would hazard to say there may be many human-like people around in the galaxy...

 

[SOUL-DRIFTER]

Unless earth was seeded by Aliens there is little or no chance they would be remotely like us.

Too many branches on the evolution tree.

Unless they come from a parallel universe, also.

 

[AlienView]

I still say evolving AI {artificial intelligence as we would call it} is more likely than biological existence
- In a universe composed of innate matter there is no logical reason why biological life should exist.

Man, and all biological life on Earth, may indeed be an anomaly?

Otherwise tell me why biological life exists, was created, and/or evolved into Man?

If the matter composing the universe were to possess the qualities of consciousness as we see life
- chances are {in my opinion} it would congregate mechanically and have a physical presence that is more
machine like than biological.

 

[nivek]

- In a universe composed of innate matter there is no logical reason why biological life should exist.

Irrational logic, innate matter is biological life...

 

[AlienView]

Irrational logic, innate matter is biological life...

Wrong word! - What I meant was:

- In a universe composed of "lifeless" matter there is no logical reason why biological life should exist.

Another words until they can prove the theory that given the right conditions, such as when life began
on Earth, life will arise spontaneously, and therefor many planets similar to Earth in the universe,
will have life - Until this is proven, why believe it?

 

[nivek]

Wrong word! - What I meant was:

- In a universe composed of "lifeless" matter there is no logical reason why biological life should exist.

Another words until they can prove the theory that given the right conditions, such as when life began
on Earth, life will arise spontaneously, and therefor many planets similar to Earth in the universe,
will have life - Until this is proven, why believe it?

Without biological life your machine aliens could not exist...

 

[AlienView]

Without biological life your machine aliens could not exist...

Maybe - But that is a Human point of view.

Remember my 'hypothetical' Boorg {sort of like the 'Borg' in Star Trek}
- You can call that sci-fi which it is - But the concepts, if nothing else, are logical.

We assume, as we keep developing and advancing AI, that we, biologicals, developed it.

Already we see how artificial intelligence can be expanded far beyond Human capabilities in many ways.

So why not assume at least the possibility that biological life is an experiment {I do often see it that way}
that was created by a more advanced, than we can yet imagine, machine like artificial intelligence?

Sure, this is purely hypothetical, but until someone can prove the origin of biological life in a
universe composed on non-living matter - the hypothesis is valid.

Or, are we being 'assimilated' {as the Borg would say in Star Trek} by the very AI we think we are
creating?

 

[nivek]

Explain how artificial intelligence can spark and evolve from nothing? How can refined machinery type robots can just evolve without something creating them?...

It's more plausible that biological life evolves more so than machine life or artificial intelligence...

 

[AlienView]

Explain how artificial intelligence can spark and evolve from nothing? How can refined machinery type robots can just evolve without something creating them?...

It's more plausible that biological life evolves more so than machine life or artificial intelligence...

Again, more plausible from the Human point of view - But is it really?

My argument is that the real anomaly here is biological life - Unless you believe in a creator, which I will not
comment on one way or the other - There is no reason why biological life should happen
- no logical, provable reason.

The fact that some theorists and even scientists keep speculating that given the same circumstances you
have on Earth, life would occur on other planets in the universe, is still just speculation.

Now, if you want to believe that the Universe itself possess some form of innate intelligence {I sometimes
believe this} and that biological life is just one form of its expression - Than why not believe that in some
other parts of the universe an intelligent electro mechanical form of intelligence may also be evolving?


"“We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos

 

[nivek]

Again, more plausible from the Human point of view - But is it really?

My argument is that the real anomaly here is biological life - Unless you believe in a creator, which I will not
comment on one way or the other - There is no reason why biological life should happen
- no logical, provable reason.

The fact that some theorists and even scientists keep speculating that given the same circumstances you
have on Earth, life would occur on other planets in the universe, is still just speculation.

Now, if you want to believe that the Universe itself possess some form of innate intelligence {I sometimes
believe this} and that biological life is just one form of its expression - Than why not believe that in some
other parts of the universe an intelligent electro mechanical form of intelligence may also be evolving?


"“We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos

Complex metal alloys, complex integrated circuitry and, complex processors cannot in any way evolve or develop on their own in nature...It is impossible...

 

[AlienView]

Complex metal alloys, complex integrated circuitry and, complex processors cannot in any way evolve or develop on their own in nature...It is impossible...

There is a theory in philosophy, and it has been around since the ancient Greeks
- It is called 'panpsychism' {the doctrine or belief that everything material, however small, has an element of individual consciousness.} It is now considered by even modern day philosophers and scientists.

See:

The Case For Panpsychism
"According to early 21st century Western common sense, the mental doesn’t take up very much of the universe. Most folk assume that it exists only in the biological realm, specifically, in creatures with brains and nervous systems. Panpsychists deny this bit of common sense, believing that mentality is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of the universe. Mind is everywhere (which is what ‘panpsychism’ translates as)............"
See whole article here:
The Case For Panpsychism | Issue 121 | Philosophy Now

I have been in debates on philosophy forums as to whether AI could ever be conscious
-- there are some philosophers who assume that consciousness is limited to biological life forms
such as Man - and Man possesses a monopoly on consciousness. But if you believe in theories such
as 'panpsychism' this is not true.

And then someone will say do you mean a rock is conscious? A hundred years ago that may have ended ths debate. But we now know that there is much going on {on a nuclear level} inside the rock
- doesn't prove consciousness you say.......But you see there is no absolute definition of consciousness
that all will agree upon - So the debate goes on.

If this consciousness is innate to all that exists - Anything is possible - And an evolving AI that
Gene Rodenberry showed us in Star Trek's Borg, is more than just possible - It may in fact be probable
in a universe that is as expansive as we now know it to be.

So somewhere in the future we 'may' find more alien lifeforms {accepting that you don't require a life form
to be biological} that are - more machine like.


"“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.”
― Max Planck, Where is Science Going?

"“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together.
We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”
― Max Planck

"“We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up to now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.”
― Max Planck, The Universe in the Light of Modern Physics

Max Planck was a Nobel Prize winning physicist in the 20th Century = One of the early founders Quantum Mechanics.
I sometimes wonder what he would have thought about 'Conscious AI" ?

 

[nivek]

See now your mixing fiction (star trek) with reality in this discussion and that deflates your entire argument and kills off meaningful discussion...

When discussing particulars of the realities of this universe, any analytical thinking to work out key principles should never include television fiction and fantasy...

Try again...

 

[AlienView]

""Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution."
-Albert Einstein, What Life Means to Einstein (1929)

Or:

"
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

― Albert Einstein

 

[nivek]

Imagination is one thing, it's quite another to introduce obvious television fiction into a discussion of reality...That only contributes to ufology being a laughing stock by mixing obvious fiction into these discussions...

Try again and in your own words, no quotes...

 

[AlienView]

My final statement on the issue - Fact not fiction - From Smithsonian.com:

Beware. Scientists are Creating Machines That Can Evolve on Their Own
Read more: Beware. Scientists are Creating Machines That Can Evolve on Their Own | Innovation | Smithsonian

 

[nivek]

My final statement on the issue - Fact not fiction - From Smithsonian.com:

Beware. Scientists are Creating Machines That Can Evolve on Their Own
Read more: Beware. Scientists are Creating Machines That Can Evolve on Their Own | Innovation | Smithsonian

How does this relate to meeting aliens from another planet or galaxy?...

 

[Kchoo]

I still say evolving AI {artificial intelligence as we would call it} is more likely than biological existence
- In a universe composed of innate matter there is no logical reason why biological life should exist.

Man, and all biological life on Earth, may indeed be an anomaly?

Otherwise tell me why biological life exists, was created, and/or evolved into Man?

If the matter composing the universe were to possess the qualities of consciousness as we see life
- chances are {in my opinion} it would congregate mechanically and have a physical presence that is more
machine like than biological.

Perhaps we are the TX-42000's, and we are in fact, the end result of many modules of ' improvements 'of many models of machines, and our model is the failed end product of AI evolution....