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Why We Still Don’t Have the JFK Assassination Files

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“She withheld nothing,” he wrote. The interviews in Mrs. Kennedy’s home in Georgetown were bearable only because of the cocktails they drank throughout, he suggested. “Future historians may be puzzled by the odd clunking noises on the tapes,” Manchester wrote. “They were ice cubes. The only way we could get through those long evenings was with the aid of great containers of daiquiris.”

Why We Still Don’t Have the JFK Assassination Files

The FBI and the CIA are still protecting their sources from six decades ago.
John F. Kennedy waving from a car, with Jacqueline Kennedy sitting next to him.

President John F. Kennedy, with his wife Jacqueline Kennedy seated beside him, waves from his motorcade minutes before he was shot in Dallas, Texas on Nov. 22, 1963. | Jim Altgens/AP Photo
By PHILIP SHENON
11/15/2022 11:00 AM EST

Philip Shenon, a former Washington and foreign correspondent for the New York Times, is author of A Cruel and Shocking Act: The Secret History of the Kennedy Assassination.
Almost exactly 59 years after those rifle shots rang out in Dealey Plaza, left a president mortally wounded and changed the course of history, there are still secrets that the government admits it is determined to keep about the November 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. More than 14,000 classified documents somehow related to the president’s murder remain locked away, in part or in full, at the National Archives in clear violation of the spirit of a landmark 1992 transparency law that was supposed to force the release of virtually all of them years ago.
The fact that anything about the assassination is still classified — and that the CIA, FBI and other agencies have refused to provide the public with a detailed explanation of why — has convinced an army of conspiracy theorists that their cynicism has always been justified.

Newly released internal correspondence from the National Archives and Records Administration reveals that, behind the scenes, there has been a fierce bureaucratic war over the documents in recent years, pitting the Archives against the CIA, FBI and other agencies that want to keep them secret.

The correspondence, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, shows that the Archives has tried, and often failed, to insist that other agencies comply with the 1992 law by declassifying more documents. The struggle was especially fierce in 2017, when then-President Donald Trump sided with the CIA and FBI and agreed to waive a supposedly concrete legal deadline that year to release all classified documents related to the JFK assassination.
Last year, President Joe Biden ordered another review of the documents to allow more to be made public this December. Officials involved in the declassification process say they are optimistic that a large batch of documents will be made public next month.
The internal correspondence from the Archives helps resolve one lingering mystery about the documents: In their negotiations with the White House and the Archives in recent years, how have the CIA, FBI, the Pentagon and other agencies justified keeping any secrets about a turning point in American history that occurred decades ago — an event that has always inspired corrosive conspiracy theories about government complicity?
John. F. Kennedy in his limo, about a minute before his assassination.
WHITE HOUSE

‘An outrage against democracy’: JFK’s nephews urge Biden to reveal assassination records

BY MARC CAPUTO
In the past, those agencies have provided the public with only vague explanations about their reasoning, citing potential damage to national security and foreign policy.
The Archives correspondence reveals, for the first time, their detailed justifications, providing a rare window into reasoning inside the CIA and FBI. In many cases, it shows, the CIA and FBI pressed to keep documents secret because they contained the names and personal details of still-living intelligence and law-enforcement informants from the 1960’s and 1970’s who could be at risk of intimidation or even violence if they were publicly identified.
Many of those sources — now elderly, if not close to death — are foreigners living outside the United States, which means it would be more difficult for the American government to protect them from threats. The CIA has also withheld information in the documents that identifies the location of CIA stations and safehouses abroad, including several that have been in use continuously since Kennedy’s death in 1963.
The Archives correspondence shows that, while much of the still-classified information is only indirectly related to the assassination, some of it comes directly from the FBI’s “main investigative case files” about the president’s murder. That includes the all-important case files on Lee Harvey Oswald, Kennedy’s assassin, and Jack Ruby, the Dallas strip-club owner who murdered Oswald two days after Kennedy’s death.

The National Archives building.

The National Archives, shown above on Oct. 25, is facing a Dec. 15 deadline to release information drawn from thousands of long-classified documents related to President Kennedy's 1963 assassination. | Francis Chung/E&E News/POLITICO
The Archives paperwork shows that the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration have fought particularly hard to protect the identity of informants in organized-crime investigations — an argument that will intrigue conspiracy theorists who believe the Mafia was behind Kennedy’s death. Many assassination researchers argue that the assassination was blowback for the so-called war on organized crime waged by the president’s brother, then-Attorney General Robert Kennedy.
In fact, the correspondence shows the overwhelming majority of the documents that the FBI has withheld from the public in recent years somehow involved organized-crime investigations. Of the nearly 7,500 documents that the FBI kept classified at the time of the 2017 deadline, 6,000 were from “various files of members of organized crime or La Cosa Nostra.”
The DEA made a special plea to black out the names of six confidential informants identified in assassination-related files involving organized-crime investigations: “Given the well-documented propensity for violence by the Mafia, it is reasonable to expect the individuals, if alive, remain in significant danger of retaliation for their assistance,” the agency said in a 2018 letter to the Archives.
The internal correspondence and emails from the Archives were provided to POLITICO Magazine by Larry Schnapf, a New York lawyer who filed a federal lawsuit last month against President Biden and the National Archives, demanding release of all the still-classified assassination documents. Schnapf, whose clients in the lawsuit include the Mary Ferrell Foundation, an assassination-research group, obtained the internal correspondence from the Archives under a Freedom of Information Act request.
Even though he is now suing the National Archives, he said in an interview he was impressed by the aggressiveness of Archives officials in trying to force the CIA, FBI and other agencies to abide by the 1992 law, which called for the declassification of all assassination-related documents within 25 years — a deadline reached in October 2017. The fact that so much information remains classified today “only feeds a lot of the more bizarre conspiracy theories” about Kennedy’s death, he said.
The 1992 law, the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act, was adopted by Congress in hopes of controlling a firestorm of conspiracy theories whipped up the year before by the release of Oliver Stone’s popular, conspiracy-soaked film JFK, which suggested Kennedy was killed in a coup d’etat involving his successor, President Lyndon Johnson. Opinion polls have shown consistently since the late 1960’s that most Americans believe there was a conspiracy in Kennedy’s death — that Oswald, assuming he was the assassin in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, did not act alone.
As a result of the law, millions of pages of documents were made public in the 1990’s that rewrote elements of the history of the assassination. The declassified files did not offer conclusive proof of any sort of conspiracy in the president’s death. But they did reveal how much evidence — especially about Oswald — had been withheld by the CIA and FBI from the Warren Commission, the White House panel led by Chief Justice Earl Warren that concluded in 1964 that Oswald had almost certainly acted alone.
Some files declassified as a result of the 1992 law strongly suggested, for example, that the CIA’s Mexico City station covered up evidence of its aggressive surveillance of Oswald during his mysterious trip to the Mexican capital just several weeks before the assassination, including the fact that Oswald boasted there of his intention to kill Kennedy. The documents show that, if the CIA station in Mexico had acted quickly on what it learned in September and October 1963, Kennedy might have survived his trip to Dallas on Nov. 22. According to a bare-bones index at the Archives, several of the still-classified assassination documents are drawn from the files of the U.S. embassy in Mexico — the CIA station, in particular.
Lee Harvey Oswald sitting, while handcuffed, with a police officer standing over him in a doorway.

Lee Harvey Oswald sits in police custody shortly after being arrested for assassinating President Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, on Nov. 22, 1963. Oswald was shot and killed two days later by Jack Ruby, a local club owner, as he was being transferred to a city jail. | AP Photo
In 2013, the CIA’s in-house historian concluded that the spy agency had conducted a “benign cover-up” during the Warren Commission’s investigation in 1963 and 1964 in hopes of keeping the commission focused on “what the Agency believed was the ‘best truth’ — that Lee Harvey Oswald, for as yet undetermined motives, had acted alone in killing John Kennedy.”
Other government agencies have offered different justifications for withholding information in the still-classified assassination files, the newly disclosed Archives correspondence shows.
The Defense Department told the Archives in 2018 that it would continue to black out portions of 256 classified Pentagon documents since they identify “active U.S. war plans, foreign government information, sensitive nuclear weapons information and U.S. prisoner of war personal and debriefing information.” Even so, the Pentagon assured the Archives, “the records identified are not directly related to the assassination.”
In its 2018 correspondence with the Archives, the State Department requested that portions of 31 documents be kept secret because of “national security and foreign affairs concerns,” although it noted that “none of the department’s redactions relate directly to the JFK assassination.”
The correspondence shows that the Archives, which has housed the assassination records for decades, has long warned the CIA, FBI and other agencies that they are failing to abide by requirements of the 1992 law, which allowed JFK-assassination information to remain classified only if there was “clear and convincing evidence” of a “substantial risk of harm” to national security or foreign policy.
In a memo in August 2017, William J. Bosanko, chief operating officer of the National Archives, protested the FBI’s decision to continue to withhold the names of confidential sources from the 1960’s, especially those that came directly out of the case files on Oswald and Ruby. “These files clearly relate directly to the assassination,” he said. Besides, he noted, “it is difficult to imagine circumstances under which an individual could be harmed by the release of their name in a file in the JFK collection.”
But the protests by the Archives were overruled at the last minute by Trump. His decision in October 2017 to waive the deadline surprised many in the government since the former president has been an enthusiastic conspiracy theorist for decades, including about the Kennedy assassination, and had once promised “great transparency” in releasing the documents.
During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump repeatedly promoted a conspiracy theory that the father of one of his Republican opponents, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, was somehow tied to the assassination — a claim, denied by the Cruz family, based on a grainy 1963 photograph that showed Oswald standing next to a man who resembled Cruz’s father as both handed out fliers supporting Cuban leader Fidel Castro.
In deciding to withhold thousands of documents, Trump said he was convinced they contained information about national security and foreign policy “of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in immediate disclosure.” But he offered no specifics about his reasoning; nor did the CIA, the FBI and other agencies that urged him to block the release.
Under the 1992 law, only the sitting president of the United States has the power to withhold documents beyond the 2017 deadline, which means the power now rests entirely with President Biden. Last October, Biden ordered the archives to begin a comprehensive review of the still-classified records, with a goal of releasing as many as possible by a new deadline of this Dec. 15.

The flag-draped casket of President John F. Kennedy in the East Room of the White House, with military guards around it.

The flag-draped casket of President John F. Kennedy lies in state in the East Room of the White House on Nov. 23, 1963. | AP Photo
But his written order disappointed many historians and assassination researchers since Biden, like Trump, left open the possibility that some documents will remain classified forever. Biden’s order, drawing on the wording of the 1992 law, said he would allow documents to be withheld if their release might do “identifiable harm” to “military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or the condition of foreign relations that is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.”
The National Archives said in a statement to POLITICO Magazine that it had recently completed its review of the still-classified material and provided its recommendations to President Biden about which documents should be released on Dec. 15.
Bosanko, the Archives official overseeing the project, said in an interview that the recent interagency review of the JFK documents had been the most intensive in decades, involving a page-to-page inspection, with the CIA, FBI and other agencies pressed to justify why any information — including individual names and addresses — should continue to be withheld from the public: “We looked at every single redaction in these documents.” He said his team is continuing to negotiate with the CIA and other agencies this month in hopes of convincing them — before the Dec. 15 deadline set by the White House — to lift their opposition to releasing some of the still-classified material.
A spokeswoman for the CIA said the agency was working closely with the Archives with the goal of “releasing as much information in the public interest as possible, consistent with the need to prevent harm to intelligence operations.” At the time of the 2017 deadline, the CIA had withheld 250 records in full and redacted information from about 15,000 other documents – in some cases, just a few names or other words on a single page, in other cases, whole blocks of text. The CIA spokeswoman said that, as a result of declassification efforts since 2017, the agency is no longer withholding any documents in full.
The FBI did not respond to requests for comment about the status of its still-classified assassination records.
Archives officials and others in the government have cautioned for years that the public should not expect to find bombshells in the still-secret documents – at least no bombshells that can be easily detected. Many of the previously declassified CIA and FBI files were full of bureaucratic jargon, codenames and obscure foreign names and addresses that made them incomprehensible at first, even for experienced researchers.
And no matter what Biden decides, about 500 documents and other items in the collection will remain secret, since the 1992 law exempts them from public release. Among them are documents produced by federal grand juries and by the Internal Revenue Service, including the tax and employment records of Oswald, Ruby and many of their associates.
Photo collage of JFK giving a speech with audio waves in background.
HISTORY DEPT.

The Warning About Trump That JFK Never Got to Deliver

BY JEFF NUSSBAUM
It also includes tape recordings of six interviews conducted in 1964 with Jacqueline Kennedy and former Attorney General Robert Kennedy by the journalist William Manchester, who was authorized by the Kennedy family to write a history of the assassination. Those tapes were turned over to the Archives by the Kennedy family in exchange for an agreement they would not be made public until 2067 — the 100th anniversary of the publication of Manchester’s bestselling book The Death of a President. The law also exempted the public release of what the Archives index describes as five “very personal letters” that Mrs. Kennedy wrote to President Johnson, including at least three she sent to him in the week after the assassination.
What might be on Manchester’s tapes has long tantalized historians and assassination researchers. He later wrote in his memoirs that he recorded 10 hours of wrenching conversations with Mrs. Kennedy, in which she offered a detailed account of events in the days surrounding the assassination, including a description of the horrifying scene inside the president’s limousine as the shots rang out in Dealey Plaza. “She withheld nothing,” he wrote. The interviews in Mrs. Kennedy’s home in Georgetown were bearable only because of the cocktails they drank throughout, he suggested. “Future historians may be puzzled by the odd clunking noises on the tapes,” Manchester wrote. “They were ice cubes. The only way we could get through those long evenings was with the aid of great containers of daiquiris.”
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
LE and intelligence agencies hate releasing anything to the public, no matter how old it is. When I worked for a police department, we were not even allowed to provide copies of documents to defendants, even though the defendants had originally filled out the documents in their own writing and been provided a copy of at the time it was written. The pervading atmosphere of secrecy at any cost was not unlike that of a one percenter motorcycle club.

Here in Kentucky we had the 1977 Beverly Hills Supper Club fire that claimed around 150 lives. The state police hurriedly declared it was an accident, but it is a Herculean task to gain access to the investigation documents. The documents are supposed to be available for public inspection as it is a closed case, however every researcher has met pretty stiff resistance in gaining access.

Author Ron Webster reports it took several months for the agency to even reply to his request. When he was finally permitted to view them, he was given a strict time limit and a state trooper stared a hole through him the entire time. He wasn't allowed to photograph or copy anything himself. Anything he wanted a copy of, he was charged the full per document price for and the copies were only delivered near the end of the statutory time limit.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
When it comes to institutional arrogance the DB Cooper case showcases it. You're right, for whatever reason some agencies are tight lipped and unwilling to share info. I betcha that exists within virtually all of the organizations that have ever had to deal with UFO reports. You can almost literally hear it with John Greenwalde's FOIA requests when they strike a nerve.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Far as Cooper goes, I think the FBI concluded that McCoy probably was Cooper, however it would have been really embarrassing for them to admit that he pulled off the exact same heist twice before being caught. So, they took the easy way out and "cleared" him of the earlier case since he would get decades of prison time out of the second one anyway.
 

pigfarmer

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Far as Cooper goes, I think the FBI concluded that McCoy probably was Cooper, however it would have been really embarrassing for them to admit that he pulled off the exact same heist twice before being caught. So, they took the easy way out and "cleared" him of the earlier case since he would get decades of prison time out of the second one anyway.
I was referring to the internecine warfare between agencies, or different offices with agencies like the Cooper case. I imagine Lue Elizondo would have choice words on that, and so would others. That’s what I got from his arrival on scene
 

nivek

As Above So Below

National Archives releases more than 11,000 classified files related to JFK's assassination


The National Archives on Thursday released 11,000 unredacted documents related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, offering historians and conspiracy hunters a fresh trove of details. It came soon after President Joe Biden issued an executive order authorizing their publication, while keeping thousands more documents from public view. 'Pursuant to my direction, agencies have undertaken a comprehensive effort to review the full set of almost 16,000 records that had previously been released in redacted form and determined that more than 70 percent of those records may now be released in full,' said Biden.

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pigfarmer

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I'm not a horror fan but do like some of Stephen King's novels. Just finished this one and it's excellent ! No surprise there. You like this topic read the book. Incidentally, after far more genuine research than most his conclusion is that Oswald acted alone and that the 'stodgy old Warren Commission' as right. He also mentioned the fact that a rifle shot with a 4X scope at that range is no impressive feat, although I'm paraphrasing a bit on that. That's my opinion having seen it for myself, as I've said here ad nauseum.

I see that 11/22/63 was also made into a series. I'll have to check it out. Good book though
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
As a teenager I thought this case would be solved. I'm 51 yrs old now.

I'm hunter and I love rifles and I've spent years learning and practicing shooting rifles.

I can tell you one thing, as well anybody else who ever shot bolt action rifle with scope, like Oswald's. There is no way a human being can place 3 shots on human body sized target that is 450ft (150m) away, in a space of 5 seconds, while rotating bolt and crouching behind window sill in an uncomfortable body position that is straining on muscles, while being apprehensive that somebody will come along and discover him.

Rotation of the bolt on rifle with rifle-scope and rifle's recoil disrupt one's aim 100% with each single shot. Because of the narrow field of view of the rifle-scope, after each bolt rotation one completely looses target and needs good 4-5 seconds to find target and steady the aim again, It can be seen from footage that Kennedy's car moved so fast that Oswald simply didn't have time to do all this and be perfectly accurate on the top.

Another thing is, what is said in the above video, that Warren's commission deliberately altered statements of that those women gave, who stood in stairwell and would had seen Oswald coming down. That single thing would completely change the context of the investigation.
 

pigfarmer

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I've flogged this horse to death in this thread. And will do so again ..... :)

I collect and shoot old military surplus rifles, plus I've been to the Depository and looked out the window right next to the one Oswald used. The actual window is behind Plexiglas. It just isn't the impossible shot many claim, especially with a scoped rifle against a very large slow moving target. JFW was 6'4" tall and sitting on a raised seat right out in the open only 70-80 yards away.

The 6.5mm Carcano cartridge is respectable (and I wouldn't volunteer to stand in front of it) but isn't in quite the same league as full sized service cartridges like a .30-06, .303 or 7.62 by 54R. Meaning, the recoil isn't as bad and is probably quite controllable even in the carbine he used. Even the 'magic' and apparently undamaged bullet is unremarkable - weird **** happens when you shoot them.

There may well be a conspiracy but my guess it's to cover up departmental embarrassment or the like. If it hinges on the shot being impossible it just isn't.
 
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Feds hid JFK film that could prove ‘grassy knoll’ conspiracy: lawsuit

Feds hid JFK film that could prove ‘grassy knoll’ conspiracy: lawsuit​

By Mary Kay Linge
May 27, 2023 8:44am

A 60-year-old home movie could finally reveal whether multiple shooters, and not a lone gunman, assassinated President John F. Kennedy – but the federal government has been hiding it for decades, according to an explosive new lawsuit.
The heirs of Orville Nix, a Dallas maintenance man who recorded the moment of Kennedy’s death with his home-movie camera, have tried for years to get his original film back from the government’s clutches.
“It would be very significant if the original Nix film surfaced today,” said Jefferson Morley, author of “The Ghost” and other books about the CIA.
With recent advances in digital image processing, the original film “would essentially be a new piece of evidence,” Morley explained. “There’s a significant loss in quality between the first and second generation” of an analog film like Nix’s.
Nix’s clip, unlike the better known film shot by Abraham Zapruder, was taken from the center of Dealey Plaza as the presidential limousine drove into an ambush on Elm Street in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
suspicious area on the grassy knoll The Nix film also captured the picket fence at the top of the grassy knoll, where many witnesses thought the shots originated — but the HSCA’s photo experts never analyzed it.Orville Nix, Sr.
Kennedy assassination
Orville Nix’s film captured Jackie Kennedy’s frantic chase after a piece of her husband’s shattered skull after a bullet struck his head.Orville Nix, Sr.

It provides the only known unobstructed view of the infamous “grassy knoll” at the time of the fatal shot – the area where, some researchers claim, additional snipers were concealed.
Nix’s original film was last examined in 1978 by photo experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Based in part on that analysis, the panel concluded that Kennedy “was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy” and that “two gunmen” likely fired at him.
But the technology of the time left the experts in doubt about whether Nix’s movie captured those alleged marksmen — and the complete, original film disappeared without a trace. Only imperfect copies remain, including one that flashed on theater screens in Oliver Stone’s “JFK.”
JFK

An analysis of footage taken during President John F. Kennedy’s assassination found he may have been ambushed by multipleshooters.AP
Lee Harvey Oswald


Lee Harvey Oswald, who was declared Kennedy’s lone assassin by the government’s initial investigation, insisted he was “just a patsy” — a claim the original Nix film could potentially corroborate.AP
Forty-five years later, computer-enhanced analysis of the original frames could at last solve the mystery, spurring the Nixes back to court after their 2015 lawsuit was dismissed by a different tribunal that lacked jurisdiction in the matter.
The new suit, a 52-page filing in the US Court of Federal Claims in Washington, D.C., is loaded with dozens of documents that meticulously trace the winding path taken by the original film since Nix created it
In 1963, the UPI press agency paid Nix $5,000 – about $50,000 today – for a 25-year license. Nix handed over his reel, which UPI promised to return in 1988.
Orville Nix
Nix, a Dallas native who captured the Kennedy assassination with his home movie camera, died in 1972.Courtesy Nix family
When Nix died in 1972, the rights passed to his wife and son. They were never notified when the House Special Committee on Assassinations subpoenaed the original film from UPI in 1978.
The lawsuit details the government’s startlingly sloppy handling of the priceless piece of American history from that point on, chronicling patchy documentation and lax security.
It also alleges that officials at the National Archives and Records Administration have repeatedly lied to the family, claiming never to have had the “out-of-camera original” film in their possession.
But the filing presents newly uncovered evidence that the HSCA’s photo analysts delivered Nix’s original film directly to NARA in 1978, once their work on it was complete.
The Nixes are seeking $29.7 million in compensatory damages, along with the release of the film.
JFK motorcade in Dallas, Nov. 22, 1963
Kennedy, in the lead car of the presidential motorcade, passed the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas moments before his death.AP
But time could be running out, a prominent photo expert said.
“The Nix film is at or near the end of its lifespan,” said Kenneth Castleman, a former NASA senior scientist who analyzed photos for the official investigations of the Challenger and Columbia disasters and studied the Nix film in the early 1970s.
“Modern image processing should be done,” Castleman told The Post.
“Working directly from the original, assuming it’s still in good shape, might reveal data that is not visible on the copies,” he added. “There are new techniques to bring up detail in an image that might possibly bring out new information that was not visible previously.”
In 1973, Castleman conducted an extensive analysis of one element seen in Nix’s film, the Dealey Plaza pergola, that some believe shows a marksman with a raised rifle.
suspicious object on the grassy knoll
Assassination researchers point to three objects on the grassy knoll, all captured in the Nix film, that could show evidence of Kennedy’s real killers. Photo expert Kenneth Castleman, who analyzed this pattern in the early 1970s, found it to be a set of passing shadows.Orville Nix, Sr.
suspicious object on the grassy knoll
The House Select Committee on Assassinations, which dubbed this portion of the Nix film a “feature of interest,” could not rule out that it showed a hidden person.Orville Nix, Sr.
That element, dubbed a “controversial aspect” by the HSCA, “was definitely not a person. It was actually just three bright spots that appear in some frames,” Castleman said. He has “no expectation that further analysis of the Nix film will change that result.”
But researchers have pointed to two other locations — one at the edge of a retaining wall, and another behind the picket fence at the top of the grassy knoll — that remain suspicious.
“Digitizing the original film with modern equipment and analyzing the data with modern image processing techniques could possibly bring out interesting new detail,” Castleman said.
The original film could shed important light on other aspects of the assassination as well, Morley said.
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“It might tell us more about the impact of the shots on Kennedy’s body, both the first shots and the fatal shot,” he said. “And I think it would.”
The Kennedy assassination remains “an open wound for our country,” said a source familiar with the new lawsuit. “This film could finally prove – or disprove – the official government conclusion.”
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Feds hid JFK film that could prove ‘grassy knoll’ conspiracy: lawsuit

Feds hid JFK film that could prove ‘grassy knoll’ conspiracy: lawsuit​

By Mary Kay Linge
May 27, 2023 8:44am

A 60-year-old home movie could finally reveal whether multiple shooters, and not a lone gunman, assassinated President John F. Kennedy – but the federal government has been hiding it for decades, according to an explosive new lawsuit.
The heirs of Orville Nix, a Dallas maintenance man who recorded the moment of Kennedy’s death with his home-movie camera, have tried for years to get his original film back from the government’s clutches.
“It would be very significant if the original Nix film surfaced today,” said Jefferson Morley, author of “The Ghost” and other books about the CIA.
With recent advances in digital image processing, the original film “would essentially be a new piece of evidence,” Morley explained. “There’s a significant loss in quality between the first and second generation” of an analog film like Nix’s.
Nix’s clip, unlike the better known film shot by Abraham Zapruder, was taken from the center of Dealey Plaza as the presidential limousine drove into an ambush on Elm Street in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
suspicious area on the grassy knoll The Nix film also captured the picket fence at the top of the grassy knoll, where many witnesses thought the shots originated — but the HSCA’s photo experts never analyzed it.Orville Nix, Sr.
Kennedy assassination
Orville Nix’s film captured Jackie Kennedy’s frantic chase after a piece of her husband’s shattered skull after a bullet struck his head.Orville Nix, Sr.

It provides the only known unobstructed view of the infamous “grassy knoll” at the time of the fatal shot – the area where, some researchers claim, additional snipers were concealed.
Nix’s original film was last examined in 1978 by photo experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Based in part on that analysis, the panel concluded that Kennedy “was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy” and that “two gunmen” likely fired at him.
But the technology of the time left the experts in doubt about whether Nix’s movie captured those alleged marksmen — and the complete, original film disappeared without a trace. Only imperfect copies remain, including one that flashed on theater screens in Oliver Stone’s “JFK.”
JFK

An analysis of footage taken during President John F. Kennedy’s assassination found he may have been ambushed by multipleshooters.AP
Lee Harvey Oswald


Lee Harvey Oswald, who was declared Kennedy’s lone assassin by the government’s initial investigation, insisted he was “just a patsy” — a claim the original Nix film could potentially corroborate.AP
Forty-five years later, computer-enhanced analysis of the original frames could at last solve the mystery, spurring the Nixes back to court after their 2015 lawsuit was dismissed by a different tribunal that lacked jurisdiction in the matter.
The new suit, a 52-page filing in the US Court of Federal Claims in Washington, D.C., is loaded with dozens of documents that meticulously trace the winding path taken by the original film since Nix created it
In 1963, the UPI press agency paid Nix $5,000 – about $50,000 today – for a 25-year license. Nix handed over his reel, which UPI promised to return in 1988.
Orville Nix
Nix, a Dallas native who captured the Kennedy assassination with his home movie camera, died in 1972.Courtesy Nix family
When Nix died in 1972, the rights passed to his wife and son. They were never notified when the House Special Committee on Assassinations subpoenaed the original film from UPI in 1978.
The lawsuit details the government’s startlingly sloppy handling of the priceless piece of American history from that point on, chronicling patchy documentation and lax security.
It also alleges that officials at the National Archives and Records Administration have repeatedly lied to the family, claiming never to have had the “out-of-camera original” film in their possession.
But the filing presents newly uncovered evidence that the HSCA’s photo analysts delivered Nix’s original film directly to NARA in 1978, once their work on it was complete.
The Nixes are seeking $29.7 million in compensatory damages, along with the release of the film.
JFK motorcade in Dallas, Nov. 22, 1963
Kennedy, in the lead car of the presidential motorcade, passed the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas moments before his death.AP
But time could be running out, a prominent photo expert said.
“The Nix film is at or near the end of its lifespan,” said Kenneth Castleman, a former NASA senior scientist who analyzed photos for the official investigations of the Challenger and Columbia disasters and studied the Nix film in the early 1970s.
“Modern image processing should be done,” Castleman told The Post.
“Working directly from the original, assuming it’s still in good shape, might reveal data that is not visible on the copies,” he added. “There are new techniques to bring up detail in an image that might possibly bring out new information that was not visible previously.”
In 1973, Castleman conducted an extensive analysis of one element seen in Nix’s film, the Dealey Plaza pergola, that some believe shows a marksman with a raised rifle.
suspicious object on the grassy knoll
Assassination researchers point to three objects on the grassy knoll, all captured in the Nix film, that could show evidence of Kennedy’s real killers. Photo expert Kenneth Castleman, who analyzed this pattern in the early 1970s, found it to be a set of passing shadows.Orville Nix, Sr.
suspicious object on the grassy knoll
The House Select Committee on Assassinations, which dubbed this portion of the Nix film a “feature of interest,” could not rule out that it showed a hidden person.Orville Nix, Sr.
That element, dubbed a “controversial aspect” by the HSCA, “was definitely not a person. It was actually just three bright spots that appear in some frames,” Castleman said. He has “no expectation that further analysis of the Nix film will change that result.”
But researchers have pointed to two other locations — one at the edge of a retaining wall, and another behind the picket fence at the top of the grassy knoll — that remain suspicious.
“Digitizing the original film with modern equipment and analyzing the data with modern image processing techniques could possibly bring out interesting new detail,” Castleman said.
The original film could shed important light on other aspects of the assassination as well, Morley said.
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“It might tell us more about the impact of the shots on Kennedy’s body, both the first shots and the fatal shot,” he said. “And I think it would.”
The Kennedy assassination remains “an open wound for our country,” said a source familiar with the new lawsuit. “This film could finally prove – or disprove – the official government conclusion.”

I don't claim to be photo expert, but to me all the highlighted areas look like regular shadows, not different from other surrounding ones. One marked with red rectangle is just a flat roof or top surface of something far behind the picket.

Once I watched a very one hour and half long video ( I very rarely watch such a long videos in one go ) with that "grassy knoll" theory and for a life of me I wasn't able to see human like shadow behind the picket wall. It was just drab shadow without any contrasting outline of anything in it.

But, since you said that you were in the book warehouse and stood at the window next to the Oswald's and said that it was an easy 80 yards shot, I would tend to go with that.

For me its just a question can one reload three bullets and aim three times within five seconds. I would say no. But what do you think @pigfarmer ?
 
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wwkirk

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Feds hid JFK film that could prove ‘grassy knoll’ conspiracy: lawsuit

Feds hid JFK film that could prove ‘grassy knoll’ conspiracy: lawsuit​

By Mary Kay Linge
May 27, 2023 8:44am

A 60-year-old home movie could finally reveal whether multiple shooters, and not a lone gunman, assassinated President John F. Kennedy – but the federal government has been hiding it for decades, according to an explosive new lawsuit.
The heirs of Orville Nix, a Dallas maintenance man who recorded the moment of Kennedy’s death with his home-movie camera, have tried for years to get his original film back from the government’s clutches.
“It would be very significant if the original Nix film surfaced today,” said Jefferson Morley, author of “The Ghost” and other books about the CIA.
With recent advances in digital image processing, the original film “would essentially be a new piece of evidence,” Morley explained. “There’s a significant loss in quality between the first and second generation” of an analog film like Nix’s.
Nix’s clip, unlike the better known film shot by Abraham Zapruder, was taken from the center of Dealey Plaza as the presidential limousine drove into an ambush on Elm Street in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
suspicious area on the grassy knoll The Nix film also captured the picket fence at the top of the grassy knoll, where many witnesses thought the shots originated — but the HSCA’s photo experts never analyzed it.Orville Nix, Sr.
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Orville Nix’s film captured Jackie Kennedy’s frantic chase after a piece of her husband’s shattered skull after a bullet struck his head.Orville Nix, Sr.

It provides the only known unobstructed view of the infamous “grassy knoll” at the time of the fatal shot – the area where, some researchers claim, additional snipers were concealed.
Nix’s original film was last examined in 1978 by photo experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Based in part on that analysis, the panel concluded that Kennedy “was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy” and that “two gunmen” likely fired at him.
But the technology of the time left the experts in doubt about whether Nix’s movie captured those alleged marksmen — and the complete, original film disappeared without a trace. Only imperfect copies remain, including one that flashed on theater screens in Oliver Stone’s “JFK.”
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An analysis of footage taken during President John F. Kennedy’s assassination found he may have been ambushed by multipleshooters.AP
Lee Harvey Oswald


Lee Harvey Oswald, who was declared Kennedy’s lone assassin by the government’s initial investigation, insisted he was “just a patsy” — a claim the original Nix film could potentially corroborate.AP
Forty-five years later, computer-enhanced analysis of the original frames could at last solve the mystery, spurring the Nixes back to court after their 2015 lawsuit was dismissed by a different tribunal that lacked jurisdiction in the matter.
The new suit, a 52-page filing in the US Court of Federal Claims in Washington, D.C., is loaded with dozens of documents that meticulously trace the winding path taken by the original film since Nix created it
In 1963, the UPI press agency paid Nix $5,000 – about $50,000 today – for a 25-year license. Nix handed over his reel, which UPI promised to return in 1988.
Orville Nix
Nix, a Dallas native who captured the Kennedy assassination with his home movie camera, died in 1972.Courtesy Nix family
When Nix died in 1972, the rights passed to his wife and son. They were never notified when the House Special Committee on Assassinations subpoenaed the original film from UPI in 1978.
The lawsuit details the government’s startlingly sloppy handling of the priceless piece of American history from that point on, chronicling patchy documentation and lax security.
It also alleges that officials at the National Archives and Records Administration have repeatedly lied to the family, claiming never to have had the “out-of-camera original” film in their possession.
But the filing presents newly uncovered evidence that the HSCA’s photo analysts delivered Nix’s original film directly to NARA in 1978, once their work on it was complete.
The Nixes are seeking $29.7 million in compensatory damages, along with the release of the film.
JFK motorcade in Dallas, Nov. 22, 1963
Kennedy, in the lead car of the presidential motorcade, passed the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas moments before his death.AP
But time could be running out, a prominent photo expert said.
“The Nix film is at or near the end of its lifespan,” said Kenneth Castleman, a former NASA senior scientist who analyzed photos for the official investigations of the Challenger and Columbia disasters and studied the Nix film in the early 1970s.
“Modern image processing should be done,” Castleman told The Post.
“Working directly from the original, assuming it’s still in good shape, might reveal data that is not visible on the copies,” he added. “There are new techniques to bring up detail in an image that might possibly bring out new information that was not visible previously.”
In 1973, Castleman conducted an extensive analysis of one element seen in Nix’s film, the Dealey Plaza pergola, that some believe shows a marksman with a raised rifle.
suspicious object on the grassy knoll
Assassination researchers point to three objects on the grassy knoll, all captured in the Nix film, that could show evidence of Kennedy’s real killers. Photo expert Kenneth Castleman, who analyzed this pattern in the early 1970s, found it to be a set of passing shadows.Orville Nix, Sr.
suspicious object on the grassy knoll
The House Select Committee on Assassinations, which dubbed this portion of the Nix film a “feature of interest,” could not rule out that it showed a hidden person.Orville Nix, Sr.
That element, dubbed a “controversial aspect” by the HSCA, “was definitely not a person. It was actually just three bright spots that appear in some frames,” Castleman said. He has “no expectation that further analysis of the Nix film will change that result.”
But researchers have pointed to two other locations — one at the edge of a retaining wall, and another behind the picket fence at the top of the grassy knoll — that remain suspicious.
“Digitizing the original film with modern equipment and analyzing the data with modern image processing techniques could possibly bring out interesting new detail,” Castleman said.
The original film could shed important light on other aspects of the assassination as well, Morley said.
What do you think? Be the first to comment.
“It might tell us more about the impact of the shots on Kennedy’s body, both the first shots and the fatal shot,” he said. “And I think it would.”
The Kennedy assassination remains “an open wound for our country,” said a source familiar with the new lawsuit. “This film could finally prove – or disprove – the official government conclusion.”
Glad to see the "JFK truthers" haven't run out of steam. :dry8:
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Glad to see the "JFK truthers" haven't run out of steam. :dry8:
yeah, that very long "grassy knoll" video was promotion one free extra conspiracy theory that there was yet another shooter inside rain drain grill on the right hand side of the road. Apparently rain drain was big enough that a person can walk in.

You see, truth is never simple :)
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
For me its just a question can one reload three bullets and aim three times within five seconds. I would say no. But what do you think @pigfarmer ?

Yup, quite possible. 5 seconds is a longer period of time than you'd think. Hold your hand on a stove burner that long ....... :) Depends on the individual rifle too, some are slicker than others. Some cock on opening, some on closing. Don't know what that Carcano carbine was like but again, the cartridge it uses is not strictly a full power service rifle round. Even in a full house round like a British .303 my friend had a well worn and accurate SMLE from 1915 that could easily pull that shot off - or four. That rifle's action was slick as whale snot. Old milsurp shoots regularly put targets out to 100 & 250 yards, so 80 is no big deal.

What is a bit ticklish about the shot is that it's oriented for a leftie. Meaning, a right handed shooter would have to turn a bit out the window to make the shot to the extreme right, which is what that was. But it's a big window and yup, still well within the realm of possibilities.

The grassy Knoll is within handgun range, like 25-30 yards. A B27 target is a human torso and head. Even at 50 yards it's still the size of a billboard compared to the targets I normally post. A rifle shot at that range would be insanely easy and IMO stood a good chance of doing far more immediate damage than what we saw. Splat.
 

wwkirk

Divine
"They" need to look deeper into Fred Crisman. Significant involvement with both the Maury Island incident and the JFK assassination. From Wiki:
In 1946, Crisman claimed to have battled with non-humans in caves during the second World War. The following year, he attempted to convince two early flying saucer witnesses that lava rocks were in fact debris dropped from a flying saucer. In 1968, Crisman was subpoenaed by a New Orleans grand jury in the prosecution of a local man for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy—a prosecution that would later be dramatized in the 1991 Oliver Stone film JFK. Conspiracy authors consider Crisman "a nexus point for a number of conspiracies and cover-ups from the late 1940s until [his] death in 1975"
Sweet!
 
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