wwkirk
Divine
I'm talking about the search function built into this forum.
nivek
As Above So Below
I changed the minimum word length to search keywords, it comes up fine now, 49 pages of results actually lol...
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Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
nivek
As Above So Below
In the past I used to think Oswald did it on his own or with help of one or two individuals, but in recent times I've changed from that conclusion and think the government had JFK taken out of the picture...Your posts and links in this thread assisted in changing my opinion of this case...
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
I went the other way.....once I found that there was no magic in the bullet it was easy for me to see Oswald did it all by himself.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
If Nick Pope says it it has to be true, right?
https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-415-nick-pope
FF to about 41:00 and he starts talking about JFK. He made the same two points I did much more succinctly.
He said the place isn't as big as you might think and the shot(s) ain't that hard,
and when a bullet strikes something the result isn't always predictable.
https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-415-nick-pope
FF to about 41:00 and he starts talking about JFK. He made the same two points I did much more succinctly.
He said the place isn't as big as you might think and the shot(s) ain't that hard,
and when a bullet strikes something the result isn't always predictable.
ImmortalLegend527
The Messenger Of All Gods old and new
The ones that really rule this earth, understand certain things that humans will never find out or basically understand even if told.
Some time in history.. spells were cast and programs were being downloaded to the new earth. Some were evil spell and programmers and some had sympathy for the creations down here on earth.
All it took was a clock, a calendar,and the false program of the sun and earth to change humans lifespan.There was a time in which magic carpets and flying chariots did exist.
The people that run this world sole religion is coveted by the zodiac.Every sign was giving a secret gift that someday could be used to disable or evolve with the spells that go on today.
JFK was killed because he was a gemini.The one gift that geminis have is the gift of the future..far seeing.Tts 3 things that man wants to one day control.Time,gravity,everlasting life.
'THEY' see geminis as a threat because they can see the future and for a human to see the future is an enemy to them.If a human can see the future then a human can control the destinies of not just ones self but for humanity..they are not having it!
Thinking of going to space scared them because the biggest secrets start from the beginning..space.Geminis are very hard to program because of far seeing and if they cant program you then you are basically a threat to their existence.
Geminis are the most loved and hated sign in the zodiac.Take for instance Trump the Gemini.Trump and Space Force the 6th Branch of military for the USA.
JFK going to the moon.
George Bush The star wars programm.
Muammar Gaddafi Gemini.Education and medical treatment was free.If any Libyan wanted to start a farm they were given a house, farm land and live stock and seeds all free of charge.When a Libyan woman gave birth she was given 5000 (US dollars) for herself and the child.Electricity was free in Libya meaning absolutely no electric bills!Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.
Before the fall of Tripoli and his untimely demise, Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold. Following in the foot steps of the late great pioneer Marcus Garvey who first coined the term ”United States of Africa”. Gaddafi wanted to introduce and only trade in the African gold Dinar – a move which would have thrown the world economy into chaos.
The Dinar was widely opposed by the ‘elite’ of today’s society and who could blame them. African nations would have finally had the power to bring itself out of debt and poverty and only trade in this precious commodity. They would have been able to finally say ‘no’ to external exploitation and charge whatever they felt suitable for precious resources. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion, in a bid to oust the outspoken leader.
If you can see the future then you can change the present for a better future..they don't want change.
Greatest Secret ever told Was copy written by iml527 2019.Every event back then a 'FLASH CUBE' was always present really cant say no more.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Well THAT certainly clears things up ..................
So either you're one of the ruling class who understands this, or you're some poor schmuck like me who can't and never will. Hmmm.
I'm having some trouble coordinating that ....
So either you're one of the ruling class who understands this, or you're some poor schmuck like me who can't and never will. Hmmm.
I'm having some trouble coordinating that ....
ImmortalLegend527
The Messenger Of All Gods old and new
You can't imagine what went on in the solar system before life was even a thought of...on yet..another planet.A time in which no one talked or wrote a word..a time in which the stars were the map the teacher and hope.The others gave you mortals a gift to one day fight the spells that program you.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
a couple of factoids I recently acquired.
JFK was wearing a tight elastic corset because of his bad back that held him upright longer than he would have otherwise. Set himself himself for the head shot - from whoever or wherever that came from.
I knew that Oswald tried to kill an Army general with a shot through the window and they didn't figure out it was him until much later after they had the rifle.
What I didn't know was that Major General Edwin Walker was a uber right wing racist nutcase.
JFK was wearing a tight elastic corset because of his bad back that held him upright longer than he would have otherwise. Set himself himself for the head shot - from whoever or wherever that came from.
I knew that Oswald tried to kill an Army general with a shot through the window and they didn't figure out it was him until much later after they had the rifle.
What I didn't know was that Major General Edwin Walker was a uber right wing racist nutcase.
Dejan Corovic
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
OK, this is a must hear.
Don't know what to make of all this yet but according to the boys:
Walker was closeted and much later was charged with soliciting a cop for a valve job.
The Secret Service agents had been on an epic drunk that only ended before sunrise
Jack Ruby was Jewish, with an impulsively bad temper and was taking some sort of diet aid that had him completely jacked up.
Hmmmm.
Episode 400: JFK / Lee Harvey Oswald Part I - Lone Nut — LAST PODCAST ON THE LEFT
Don't know what to make of all this yet but according to the boys:
Walker was closeted and much later was charged with soliciting a cop for a valve job.
The Secret Service agents had been on an epic drunk that only ended before sunrise
Jack Ruby was Jewish, with an impulsively bad temper and was taking some sort of diet aid that had him completely jacked up.
Hmmmm.
Episode 400: JFK / Lee Harvey Oswald Part I - Lone Nut — LAST PODCAST ON THE LEFT
nivek
As Above So Below
JFK, John Keel and the Controversial “Umbrella Man” – A Strange Saga
By Nick Redfern
In an article titled “The Mysterious Umbrella Man Who Conspiracy Theorists Think Signaled JFK’s Assassination,” Katie Serena wrote: “As Kennedy’s presidential limousine passed by, carrying driver Agent Bill Greer, Agent Roy Kellerman, Governor John Connally, Nellie Connally, President Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy, onlookers waved and attempted to get the president’s attention. Some had small flags, some had handkerchiefs, but most waved their own hands or hats. One onlooker, however, had something far more interesting. As Kennedy’s limo rolled past, the onlooker opened a black umbrella and lifted it into the air.” The theory among a number of JFK assassination researchers is that the man was using the umbrella to signal someone – possibly a gunman, or even several – that the assassination was a definitive “Go.”
Business Insider, in 2011, said in an online feature titled “NY Times’ Umbrella Man Exposed”: “There was even the September 1975 Senate intelligence committee testimony by Charles Senseney, a contract weapons designer for the CIA, that the agency had perfected an umbrella that shoots undetectable poison darts that can immobilize and kill, raising questions about whether this was in play that day.” A lot of mystery surrounded the “Umbrella Man.” That is, until 1978 when he came forward. Out of the shadows, we might say. He was identified as Louie Steven Witt. It turns out that 1978 was also the year in which a special House Select Committee on Assassinations dug deep into the matter of who killed JFK. As a result, Witt agreed to be interviewed. The interview was undertaken by Robert Genzman, the staff counsel to the committee.
The Umbrella Man
At howstuffworks, there’s this: “Witt disliked JFK’s father, former U.S. ambassador to the United Kingdom Joseph P. Kennedy, whom he faulted for supporting British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement policies toward Hitler. Chamberlain’s trademark was his ever-present umbrella, and Witt chose that day to brandish a big, conspicuous one in an effort to needle the president. He brought along a visual aid to the hearing — a battered black umbrella that he claimed was the one he’d used that day. A committee staffer popped it open, to reveal that it didn’t contain a weapon.” Let’s now take a look at some of Witt’s words:
“Actually, I was going to use this umbrella to heckle the President’s motorcade…Being a conservative-type fellow, I sort of placed him in the liberal camp and I was just going to kind of do a little heckling.” Witt continued: “…every day I walk someplace, and looking back the only reason I can account for my going that direction as opposed to the other direction would be since I was carrying that stupid umbrella, intent to heckling the President, and not being a person who was given to – prior to this time – doing things that would bring myself into notice, the only thing I can say is that I went down the street where I assumed there would be fewer people, because the buildings on the west end of the street, or the lower end, were either low buildings or low buildings where there were not a lot of people. I ended up turning left and going down into what is known as Dealey Plaza. The only reason I can think that I ended up down there was possibly I looked down there and saw an area where there were not a large group of people. There were people in that area but there was also in this area which later became known as the grassy knoll, there was no one out in that area in any great number.”
The Q&A between Witt and Genzman continued:
GENZMAN: “Did President Kennedy see your umbrella?”
WITT: “I have no way of knowing. I really don’t.”
GENZMAN: “What do you next recall happening?”
WITT: “Let me go back a minute. As I was moving forward I apparently had this umbrella in front of me for some few steps. Whereas other people I understand saw the President shot and his movements; I did not see this because of this thing in front of me, The next thing I saw after I saw the car coming down the street, down the hill to my left, the car was just about at a position like this [indicating] at this angle here. At this time there was the car stopping, the screeching of tires, the jamming on of brakes, motorcycle patrolman right there beside one of the cars. One car ran upon the President’s car and a man jumped off and jumped on the back. These were the scenes that unfolded as I reached the point to where I was seeing things.”
GENZMAN: “What did you hear at that time? Did you hear voices?”
WITT: “I don’t recall any voices at that particular time. After I finally became aware that something had happened, you know, something terrible had happened, I just sat down. I was standing on the retaining wall, and I just sat down, just right straight down, and apparently – I don’t know if I had laid the umbrella down or dropped it or what I did. Nevertheless, I think it ended up on the sidewalk and I just sat there. Some of the things that I recall, one of the things I remember seeing while standing, there was a couple, I looked down to the right and there was a man and a woman, and they were covering some children, they were lying down and they were covering the children with their bodies and this may have caused me to sit down or I may have just sat down because I was stunned. Because there for a few minutes or for a few seconds at least I didn’t seem to be able to collect my thoughts. Sometime later after the cars moved out, this is when all this activity in the cars stopping and the cars moved out, I recall a man sitting down to my right and he said something like: They done shot them folks. He repeated it two or three times but it was repetitious of him saying the same thing.”
The story gets weirder. Surreal, even. As Doug Skinner notes at JohnKeel.com: “One of John’s more intriguing abandoned projects is ‘The Return of the Umbrella Man,’ a proposal for a novel. The Umbrella Man, of course, was the mysterious man with the umbrella at Kennedy’s assassination, long an object of speculation by assassination researchers. In 1978, he was identified as Louie Steven Witt, who had simply picked a particularly bad time to protest Joseph Kennedy’s support of Neville Chamberlain.”
Doug adds: “In 1977, however, John cooked up an idea for a novel, making him a spirit who was repeatedly killed, only to walk in to other host bodies. The premise allowed John to have some fun with a plot brimming with sex, violence, conspiracy, poltergeists, walk-ins, organized crime, mysterious cartels, the Elks, and the Kennedy assassination. And, for good measure, funny underwear. In later years, he often lamented that fictionalized forteana was more commercial than reportage; and that ‘The X-Files’ and ‘Men In Black’ were lifting plot points from his books. ‘The Return of the Umbrella Man’ was an attempt to create an entertainment using some of the same paranormal material.”
To be sure, a very strange saga!
.
By Nick Redfern
In an article titled “The Mysterious Umbrella Man Who Conspiracy Theorists Think Signaled JFK’s Assassination,” Katie Serena wrote: “As Kennedy’s presidential limousine passed by, carrying driver Agent Bill Greer, Agent Roy Kellerman, Governor John Connally, Nellie Connally, President Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy, onlookers waved and attempted to get the president’s attention. Some had small flags, some had handkerchiefs, but most waved their own hands or hats. One onlooker, however, had something far more interesting. As Kennedy’s limo rolled past, the onlooker opened a black umbrella and lifted it into the air.” The theory among a number of JFK assassination researchers is that the man was using the umbrella to signal someone – possibly a gunman, or even several – that the assassination was a definitive “Go.”
Business Insider, in 2011, said in an online feature titled “NY Times’ Umbrella Man Exposed”: “There was even the September 1975 Senate intelligence committee testimony by Charles Senseney, a contract weapons designer for the CIA, that the agency had perfected an umbrella that shoots undetectable poison darts that can immobilize and kill, raising questions about whether this was in play that day.” A lot of mystery surrounded the “Umbrella Man.” That is, until 1978 when he came forward. Out of the shadows, we might say. He was identified as Louie Steven Witt. It turns out that 1978 was also the year in which a special House Select Committee on Assassinations dug deep into the matter of who killed JFK. As a result, Witt agreed to be interviewed. The interview was undertaken by Robert Genzman, the staff counsel to the committee.
The Umbrella Man
At howstuffworks, there’s this: “Witt disliked JFK’s father, former U.S. ambassador to the United Kingdom Joseph P. Kennedy, whom he faulted for supporting British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement policies toward Hitler. Chamberlain’s trademark was his ever-present umbrella, and Witt chose that day to brandish a big, conspicuous one in an effort to needle the president. He brought along a visual aid to the hearing — a battered black umbrella that he claimed was the one he’d used that day. A committee staffer popped it open, to reveal that it didn’t contain a weapon.” Let’s now take a look at some of Witt’s words:
“Actually, I was going to use this umbrella to heckle the President’s motorcade…Being a conservative-type fellow, I sort of placed him in the liberal camp and I was just going to kind of do a little heckling.” Witt continued: “…every day I walk someplace, and looking back the only reason I can account for my going that direction as opposed to the other direction would be since I was carrying that stupid umbrella, intent to heckling the President, and not being a person who was given to – prior to this time – doing things that would bring myself into notice, the only thing I can say is that I went down the street where I assumed there would be fewer people, because the buildings on the west end of the street, or the lower end, were either low buildings or low buildings where there were not a lot of people. I ended up turning left and going down into what is known as Dealey Plaza. The only reason I can think that I ended up down there was possibly I looked down there and saw an area where there were not a large group of people. There were people in that area but there was also in this area which later became known as the grassy knoll, there was no one out in that area in any great number.”
The Q&A between Witt and Genzman continued:
GENZMAN: “Did President Kennedy see your umbrella?”
WITT: “I have no way of knowing. I really don’t.”
GENZMAN: “What do you next recall happening?”
WITT: “Let me go back a minute. As I was moving forward I apparently had this umbrella in front of me for some few steps. Whereas other people I understand saw the President shot and his movements; I did not see this because of this thing in front of me, The next thing I saw after I saw the car coming down the street, down the hill to my left, the car was just about at a position like this [indicating] at this angle here. At this time there was the car stopping, the screeching of tires, the jamming on of brakes, motorcycle patrolman right there beside one of the cars. One car ran upon the President’s car and a man jumped off and jumped on the back. These were the scenes that unfolded as I reached the point to where I was seeing things.”
GENZMAN: “What did you hear at that time? Did you hear voices?”
WITT: “I don’t recall any voices at that particular time. After I finally became aware that something had happened, you know, something terrible had happened, I just sat down. I was standing on the retaining wall, and I just sat down, just right straight down, and apparently – I don’t know if I had laid the umbrella down or dropped it or what I did. Nevertheless, I think it ended up on the sidewalk and I just sat there. Some of the things that I recall, one of the things I remember seeing while standing, there was a couple, I looked down to the right and there was a man and a woman, and they were covering some children, they were lying down and they were covering the children with their bodies and this may have caused me to sit down or I may have just sat down because I was stunned. Because there for a few minutes or for a few seconds at least I didn’t seem to be able to collect my thoughts. Sometime later after the cars moved out, this is when all this activity in the cars stopping and the cars moved out, I recall a man sitting down to my right and he said something like: They done shot them folks. He repeated it two or three times but it was repetitious of him saying the same thing.”
The story gets weirder. Surreal, even. As Doug Skinner notes at JohnKeel.com: “One of John’s more intriguing abandoned projects is ‘The Return of the Umbrella Man,’ a proposal for a novel. The Umbrella Man, of course, was the mysterious man with the umbrella at Kennedy’s assassination, long an object of speculation by assassination researchers. In 1978, he was identified as Louie Steven Witt, who had simply picked a particularly bad time to protest Joseph Kennedy’s support of Neville Chamberlain.”
Doug adds: “In 1977, however, John cooked up an idea for a novel, making him a spirit who was repeatedly killed, only to walk in to other host bodies. The premise allowed John to have some fun with a plot brimming with sex, violence, conspiracy, poltergeists, walk-ins, organized crime, mysterious cartels, the Elks, and the Kennedy assassination. And, for good measure, funny underwear. In later years, he often lamented that fictionalized forteana was more commercial than reportage; and that ‘The X-Files’ and ‘Men In Black’ were lifting plot points from his books. ‘The Return of the Umbrella Man’ was an attempt to create an entertainment using some of the same paranormal material.”
To be sure, a very strange saga!
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Toroid
Founding Member
That umbrella had to be some kind of go code. I recall hearing of a mafia guy who said on his death bed that they had four shooters.JFK, John Keel and the Controversial “Umbrella Man” – A Strange Saga
By Nick Redfern
In an article titled “The Mysterious Umbrella Man Who Conspiracy Theorists Think Signaled JFK’s Assassination,” Katie Serena wrote: “As Kennedy’s presidential limousine passed by, carrying driver Agent Bill Greer, Agent Roy Kellerman, Governor John Connally, Nellie Connally, President Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy, onlookers waved and attempted to get the president’s attention. Some had small flags, some had handkerchiefs, but most waved their own hands or hats. One onlooker, however, had something far more interesting. As Kennedy’s limo rolled past, the onlooker opened a black umbrella and lifted it into the air.” The theory among a number of JFK assassination researchers is that the man was using the umbrella to signal someone – possibly a gunman, or even several – that the assassination was a definitive “Go.”
Business Insider, in 2011, said in an online feature titled “NY Times’ Umbrella Man Exposed”: “There was even the September 1975 Senate intelligence committee testimony by Charles Senseney, a contract weapons designer for the CIA, that the agency had perfected an umbrella that shoots undetectable poison darts that can immobilize and kill, raising questions about whether this was in play that day.” A lot of mystery surrounded the “Umbrella Man.” That is, until 1978 when he came forward. Out of the shadows, we might say. He was identified as Louie Steven Witt. It turns out that 1978 was also the year in which a special House Select Committee on Assassinations dug deep into the matter of who killed JFK. As a result, Witt agreed to be interviewed. The interview was undertaken by Robert Genzman, the staff counsel to the committee.
The Umbrella Man
At howstuffworks, there’s this: “Witt disliked JFK’s father, former U.S. ambassador to the United Kingdom Joseph P. Kennedy, whom he faulted for supporting British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement policies toward Hitler. Chamberlain’s trademark was his ever-present umbrella, and Witt chose that day to brandish a big, conspicuous one in an effort to needle the president. He brought along a visual aid to the hearing — a battered black umbrella that he claimed was the one he’d used that day. A committee staffer popped it open, to reveal that it didn’t contain a weapon.” Let’s now take a look at some of Witt’s words:
“Actually, I was going to use this umbrella to heckle the President’s motorcade…Being a conservative-type fellow, I sort of placed him in the liberal camp and I was just going to kind of do a little heckling.” Witt continued: “…every day I walk someplace, and looking back the only reason I can account for my going that direction as opposed to the other direction would be since I was carrying that stupid umbrella, intent to heckling the President, and not being a person who was given to – prior to this time – doing things that would bring myself into notice, the only thing I can say is that I went down the street where I assumed there would be fewer people, because the buildings on the west end of the street, or the lower end, were either low buildings or low buildings where there were not a lot of people. I ended up turning left and going down into what is known as Dealey Plaza. The only reason I can think that I ended up down there was possibly I looked down there and saw an area where there were not a large group of people. There were people in that area but there was also in this area which later became known as the grassy knoll, there was no one out in that area in any great number.”
The Q&A between Witt and Genzman continued:
GENZMAN: “Did President Kennedy see your umbrella?”
WITT: “I have no way of knowing. I really don’t.”
GENZMAN: “What do you next recall happening?”
WITT: “Let me go back a minute. As I was moving forward I apparently had this umbrella in front of me for some few steps. Whereas other people I understand saw the President shot and his movements; I did not see this because of this thing in front of me, The next thing I saw after I saw the car coming down the street, down the hill to my left, the car was just about at a position like this [indicating] at this angle here. At this time there was the car stopping, the screeching of tires, the jamming on of brakes, motorcycle patrolman right there beside one of the cars. One car ran upon the President’s car and a man jumped off and jumped on the back. These were the scenes that unfolded as I reached the point to where I was seeing things.”
GENZMAN: “What did you hear at that time? Did you hear voices?”
WITT: “I don’t recall any voices at that particular time. After I finally became aware that something had happened, you know, something terrible had happened, I just sat down. I was standing on the retaining wall, and I just sat down, just right straight down, and apparently – I don’t know if I had laid the umbrella down or dropped it or what I did. Nevertheless, I think it ended up on the sidewalk and I just sat there. Some of the things that I recall, one of the things I remember seeing while standing, there was a couple, I looked down to the right and there was a man and a woman, and they were covering some children, they were lying down and they were covering the children with their bodies and this may have caused me to sit down or I may have just sat down because I was stunned. Because there for a few minutes or for a few seconds at least I didn’t seem to be able to collect my thoughts. Sometime later after the cars moved out, this is when all this activity in the cars stopping and the cars moved out, I recall a man sitting down to my right and he said something like: They done shot them folks. He repeated it two or three times but it was repetitious of him saying the same thing.”
The story gets weirder. Surreal, even. As Doug Skinner notes at JohnKeel.com: “One of John’s more intriguing abandoned projects is ‘The Return of the Umbrella Man,’ a proposal for a novel. The Umbrella Man, of course, was the mysterious man with the umbrella at Kennedy’s assassination, long an object of speculation by assassination researchers. In 1978, he was identified as Louie Steven Witt, who had simply picked a particularly bad time to protest Joseph Kennedy’s support of Neville Chamberlain.”
Doug adds: “In 1977, however, John cooked up an idea for a novel, making him a spirit who was repeatedly killed, only to walk in to other host bodies. The premise allowed John to have some fun with a plot brimming with sex, violence, conspiracy, poltergeists, walk-ins, organized crime, mysterious cartels, the Elks, and the Kennedy assassination. And, for good measure, funny underwear. In later years, he often lamented that fictionalized forteana was more commercial than reportage; and that ‘The X-Files’ and ‘Men In Black’ were lifting plot points from his books. ‘The Return of the Umbrella Man’ was an attempt to create an entertainment using some of the same paranormal material.”
To be sure, a very strange saga!
.
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Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Where were these alleged shooters besides the school depository building?