dr wu
Noble
Yes...you added it after the fact....nice.I just did to my previous post if you bothered reading it...
Chicago's gun fatalities don't have anything to do with 'socialism' but everything to do with gangs, crime ,and related minority poverty...which is rife in all urban areas. LA and other urban areas have their share also.
It's interesting how the right blame the liberals on 'socialism' for the crime and the left blame the right due to 'conservatism/capitalism' and guns.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere we haven't looked yet like the deplorable conditions many poor people live in where crimes and gangs get their true footholds.
BTW....the gangs are merely taking advantage of free market capitalism for their various enterprises.....gee one would think the Republicons would applaud that.
nivek
As Above So Below
Yes...you added it after the fact....nice.
Yes less than a minute after I posted, there is a 15min time limit to edit posts...
dr wu
Noble
Some facts for those who are challenged in that area:
Hotel cameras did indeed show the shooter bringing in several large suitcases multiple times. That was reported days ago.
There was video of the plane hitting the Pentagon...I saw it in the old days but it was from a gas station across the street. I don't think the govt released their video info.....I think they should have because I don't believe in any conspiracy nonsesne and it would prove that to the nutters.
Regarding Chicago it's on my nightly Chicago news all the time about all the deaths and also on the national news....Trump even made several comments about it some months back that irritated Rahm Emmanuel the mayor.
Again this is about gang related killings which is not a political position issue but organized street crime (caucasians btw in the old days....) which has always been a problem in Chicago starting with a white guy called Al Capone.
Hotel cameras did indeed show the shooter bringing in several large suitcases multiple times. That was reported days ago.
There was video of the plane hitting the Pentagon...I saw it in the old days but it was from a gas station across the street. I don't think the govt released their video info.....I think they should have because I don't believe in any conspiracy nonsesne and it would prove that to the nutters.
Regarding Chicago it's on my nightly Chicago news all the time about all the deaths and also on the national news....Trump even made several comments about it some months back that irritated Rahm Emmanuel the mayor.
Again this is about gang related killings which is not a political position issue but organized street crime (caucasians btw in the old days....) which has always been a problem in Chicago starting with a white guy called Al Capone.
nivek
As Above So Below
Of course many of the shootings are gang related in Chicago, not most, but some...It blatantly shows gun control does not work, Europe is an excellent example of that failure too...
The only guns the government can ever control is the guns common citizens have, but not those of the criminals and gangs who do most of the killing...
Gun control is a fantasy, utopian thinking, out of touch with reality...Do I like guns no, I never owned one, never will, I've only fired a weapon in the Navy during training...
The only guns the government can ever control is the guns common citizens have, but not those of the criminals and gangs who do most of the killing...
Gun control is a fantasy, utopian thinking, out of touch with reality...Do I like guns no, I never owned one, never will, I've only fired a weapon in the Navy during training...
dr wu
Noble
There are more guns than people in the US....the point is that we don't need more guns manufactured and distributed.
We have too many already. There isn't any fair way to remove guns from the general law abiding public but we can certainly start to control manufacturing of new ones and better control over who gets them in the future.
Otherwise these incidents will continue to get worse.
Toroid
Founding Member
There was suspect activity at the Mandalay Bay, Mirage, Tropicana, New York New York, Caesar's Palace, Bellagio, Harrah's, Bally's & Motel 6. The link has a comprehensive timeline of what was reported after the shooting started.
Las Vegas shooting: An in-depth analysis » Intellihub
Las Vegas shooting: An in-depth analysis » Intellihub
Toroid
Founding Member
The security guard who was supposedly shot by Stephen Paddock has disappeared. He was scheduled to speak at a press conference. His union representative said he was taken to a clinic, but didn't know which one.
Hero Las Vegas security guard 'visits quick clinic' | Daily Mail Online
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An eyewitness to multiple shooters dies after posting to her Facebook page on 10/04.
Las Vegas Massacre Survivor Abruptly Dies Just Days After Posting Eyewitness Account Of Multiple Shooters And Subsequent Cover-Up
Hero Las Vegas security guard 'visits quick clinic' | Daily Mail Online
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An eyewitness to multiple shooters dies after posting to her Facebook page on 10/04.
Las Vegas Massacre Survivor Abruptly Dies Just Days After Posting Eyewitness Account Of Multiple Shooters And Subsequent Cover-Up
nivek
As Above So Below
I read her account, she said there were multiple shooters that were shooting people from all directions, not just one shooter...
Toroid
Founding Member
The security guard Jesus Campos who was supposedly shot by Stephen Paddock will be on the Ellen DeGeneres show today.
Mandalay Bay security guard gives first interview on Ellen | Daily Mail Online
Mandalay Bay security guard gives first interview on Ellen | Daily Mail Online
Dr_Doom
Honorable
Obviously not strict enough....otherwise it wouldnt have happened.
Toroid
Founding Member
CasualBystander
Celestial
When I went and did the course and sat the exam for my Australian Gun License, there was the trainer and the local Gun control officer conducting it. They asked for a show of hands for the reasons people were there.
Hunting... (hands went up)
Work on a farm... (hands went up)
Collectors... (hands went up)
Self defense... (NO hands went up)
The Gun control officer, and the trainer looked at each other and smiled. The Police officer said, correct answer, had you put your hand up for self defense you would have been shown the door.
I am a gun owner and have a couple of historical WW2 guns and a couple of very small caliber guns. I have grown up in a family of hunters and soldiers. I love my guns (I don't kill anything anymore BTW, just paper targetstoo soft )
But for the life of me other than great fun to shoot, I cant see why any private person needs Automatic and Military weapons of that nature. Just because it is part of your constitution? perhaps it is time to rethink that bit.
It was once quite normal in the UK to use a Cucking, and or a Ducking Stool for annoying wives. It was part of there laws as well. Doesn't mean it should still be.
Don't get me wrong, if they were legal there I would probably buy one just for the fun of having it. Doesn't mean I should. You have to at least try and make laws for the lowest common deliminator.
I was shooting a rifle on the family farm, and killing things, when I was big enough to carry it.
Most Americans don't need to take a course and a gun exam to know enough to point the business end away from them.
I am disappointed that this has to be taught to Australians.
In America if you polled gun owners I wouldn't be surprised if most or all were using guns for self-defense.
I am again disappointed that Australians are unaware of what guns are used for.
I wasn't going to bite but this comment is just too funny to resist. What you have said makes about as much sense as All roses are red, this object is red, therefore it is a rose.
The last person on earth that should be giving advice on guns is a someone from the worst policed and least responsible place on earth as far as guns go. Most rural Australians also grow up with guns. I also was a shooter since I was about 6 or 7, I too have grown up with guns. And look at our gun deaths compared to the US. your comment "Most Americans don't need to take a course and a gun exam to know enough to point the business end away from them." is laughable.
Gun licensing in Australia is strict, it does not stop people from owning guns, but it stops (most) idiots fro owning guns. US gun laws are an international joke. You hide behind the 2nd amendment with nonsense about the right to bear arms, when the whole world knows, including most of your citizens that it is simply the powerful NRA that pulls the strings because you lot just want to keep your toys. So please, when the whole world sees the elephant in the room, at least be honest enough to take off your blindfold and acknowledge the truth.
"I am disappointed that this has to be taught to Australians." That is laughable, and show how little you understand the real issue and the reasons and benefits for strict gun laws. And just so you know, I am a Gun owner, I have 5 guns, 2 high powered. and intend to buy more. But would not have our laws any other way.
As for Australians needing to be taught, lol still laughing at that.
We are down with Spain and Iceland, oh look where the US is, they had to extend the graph to fit them in.
Have you even looked at the content of an Australian Gun licensing exam to even make that stupid comment. I be you have not. Do you really think they teach us which end is the end that the bullet comes out off. This is hilarious.
Comparing Gun Deaths by Country: The U.S. Is in a Different World
In Victoria, If I buy a new or second hand Gun, you can guarantee within a month r two I will get a visit from the local police gun safety officer that will check the condition, paperwork and correct storage of any gun I buy. I have been inspected several times. How is this a bad thing.
It keeps me on my toes, keeps me aware of changes in laws, and lets the police know who has what and where in case I was to lose the plot one day.
Here is a link for your education for what is in the Victorian Licensing course,
Victoria Police - Media
Sorry for the bad formatting, it was a copy past from a pdf.
SECTION ONE: What you must know about firearms 6
1) The ten basic rules 6
The ten basic rules explained 6
Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded 7
Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction 7
Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire 8
Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt 9
Rule 5: Check your firing zone 11
Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely 13
Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms 15
Rule 8: Never have loaded firearms in the car, home or camp 15
Rule 9: Never fire at hard surfaces or water 16
Rule 10: Don’t climb fences or obstacles with loaded firearms 16
SECTION TWO: Firearm safety 17
2a) Ways to keep yourself and others safe 17
2b) Carrying your firearm safely 18
Hazards 18
When hunting 20
2c) Spotlighting from a vehicle for vermin 21
2d) Hunting with Vehicles 22
2e) Handling your firearm safely 23
Cleaning firearms 23
Correct ammunition 24
Loading your firearm safely 25
Firearm magazines 25
Patterning 25
Sighting in 26
Mechanical fitness 27
Reloading ammunition 28
Before using your firearm 28
SECTION THREE: Understanding firearms 29
Rifles 29
Shotguns 29
Types of actions 30
3) Where and when you may use firearms 32
.22 Rimfire rifles 32
Shotguns 32
Centrefire rifle 32
SECTION FOUR: Firearm licensing 33
4a) Purchasing or acquiring a firearm 33
Ammunition 33
4b) Disposing of firearms and ammunition 33
4c) Other important legal requirements 33
5
SECTION FIVE: Your duties and legal requirements 34
5) Transporting firearms and ammunition 34
Car 35
Public transport (bus, train, aircraft) 35
Glossary 36
Where to get more information 41
Game Hunting in Victoria 42
Game Management in Victoria 42
Game Licence 42
Record Details of Firearm 43
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It keeps me on my toes, keeps me aware of changes in laws, and lets the police know who has what and where in case I was to lose the plot one day.
Here is a link for your education for what is in the Victorian Licensing course,
Victoria Police - Media
Sorry for the bad formatting, it was a copy past from a pdf.
SECTION ONE: What you must know about firearms 6
1) The ten basic rules 6
The ten basic rules explained 6
Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded 7
Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction 7
Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire 8
Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt 9
Rule 5: Check your firing zone 11
Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely 13
Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms 15
Rule 8: Never have loaded firearms in the car, home or camp 15
Rule 9: Never fire at hard surfaces or water 16
Rule 10: Don’t climb fences or obstacles with loaded firearms 16
SECTION TWO: Firearm safety 17
2a) Ways to keep yourself and others safe 17
2b) Carrying your firearm safely 18
Hazards 18
When hunting 20
2c) Spotlighting from a vehicle for vermin 21
2d) Hunting with Vehicles 22
2e) Handling your firearm safely 23
Cleaning firearms 23
Correct ammunition 24
Loading your firearm safely 25
Firearm magazines 25
Patterning 25
Sighting in 26
Mechanical fitness 27
Reloading ammunition 28
Before using your firearm 28
SECTION THREE: Understanding firearms 29
Rifles 29
Shotguns 29
Types of actions 30
3) Where and when you may use firearms 32
.22 Rimfire rifles 32
Shotguns 32
Centrefire rifle 32
SECTION FOUR: Firearm licensing 33
4a) Purchasing or acquiring a firearm 33
Ammunition 33
4b) Disposing of firearms and ammunition 33
4c) Other important legal requirements 33
5
SECTION FIVE: Your duties and legal requirements 34
5) Transporting firearms and ammunition 34
Car 35
Public transport (bus, train, aircraft) 35
Glossary 36
Where to get more information 41
Game Hunting in Victoria 42
Game Management in Victoria 42
Game Licence 42
Record Details of Firearm 43
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