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Discussion in 'Unexplained Mysteries' started by 1963, May 22, 2018.

  1. 1963

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    The Chivruay Pass incident (Russian: Чивруайская трагедия - Chivruay tragedy) is the death of ten ski hikers in the Lovozero Massif in the Soviet Union between 27 and 28 January 1973. The trekking group, who were all from the Kuibyshev Aviation Institute, had been hiking the slopes of Lovozero Massif in an area of Chivruay Pass. After the group's bodies were discovered, an investigation by Soviet Union authorities determined that all ten had died from hypothermia.


    CHIVRUAY LEFT THEM FOREVER YOUNG
    Chivruay left them forever young

    DYATLOV PASS INCIDENT VS. CHIVRUAY TRAGEDY
    Dyatlov Pass incident vs. Chivruay tragedy



    The death of the Korovina group
    Тайна гибели группы Коровиной: Хамар-Дабан - бурятский перевал Дятлова - Интересные факты
    Six out of seven in their group did not survive. The only survivor, Valentina Utochenko, 17, later wrote in a statement how, during the difficult descent, carried out in near zero visibility, one of the members of the group was struck down hard, foaming at the mouth and bleeding from the ears. The rest of the group shortly developed the same symptoms. The six members who died had done so almost simultaneously, after rolling around on the ground, tearing their clothes off and clutching their throats.
    But the available information doesn’t explain everything. Why would Korovina lead the group down the bare upper arm of the ridge, when they could have just as easily taken the woodland-covered trail down? What was behind the gruesome bleeding? Or the protein deficiency – given that the group ate healthy? How could six people die in a matter of minutes?

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  2. Dejan Corovic

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    You can spin mysteries till the end of time, but I explained here what actually happened #51.

    They were young and penniless, so instead of buying a proper stove, they made one themselves. In the middle of the night stove stalled and fumes filled the tent so everybody started suffocating ...

    This isn't my idea but I read somewhere a blog post about it.
     
  3. 1963

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    A blog post uh? ... well that's it then , mystery solved! ... Because you saw a blog post somewhere? ... No :stop: ..Might that be a blog post by Clark Wilkins? or someone else that was copy/pasting or simply paraphrasing from his book "A Compelling Unknown Force - The Dyatlov Pass Incident aka Six Hours to Live" in which he promotes the theory that the hikers left the tent due to smoke from the stove.? The problem with this theory is that they wouldn't need to go a mile down the hill to escape smoke in the tent.... Even if they thought it could be a fire in the tent they wouldn’t need to go so far from it. [almost naked and in different directions in the undoubted arctic temperature?] They could easily put it down with plenty of snow around, and easily remedied by opening the tent up and ventilating. They certainly wouldn't completely abandon the tent without their shoes and coats. Another weakness of that theory is the consistency of reports by witnesses and investigators, that the stove was unassembled and still in its case. ... but then, as often is the case in the publishing world.... never let simple things like the fact that 'the stove' was an obvious candidate from the early days of this exhausting-puzzle ... from the very first investigation carried out by the seriously qualified official-on-the-spot-sleuths this theory was comprehensively ruled out by the facts and a healthy dose of circumstantial common sense, which is a process that has been repeated periodically over these past 60+ years ... but as I say, don't let 'the facts and common sense' get in the way of those $-book-sales-$.
    No Dejan, and I am not wishing to sound any more 'in-the-know' than anyone else on this matter, in fact my own personal theories [i'm stuck between 2] are just as flimsily backed-up as any of the other myriad to be found 'in blogs' ... but for me [at least] "the smoky-stove theory" is one of the weakest in this very real mystery mate.
    ... If you are serious about 'facts and theories' in this case, and not satisfied to be content with the 'solved by proclamation' blogs and statements that can be found all over the internet ... then I suggest that you do a little delving into the serious locations that can be found, such as for a start here... https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/ .. and here.. Mountain of the Dead ... :Thumbsup:

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  4. Double Nought Spy

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    I'm reasonably sure the stove was not set up or used on that last night. This is another mystery that is safely buried under so much bullshit, no one will ever figure it out.
     
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  5. Dejan Corovic

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    Yeah, mystery solved, because that's Occam's razor. Blog or no blog, that guy offered the most reasonable hypothesis. The narrative with a broken stove is the simples one. All other solutions need much more complicated scenarios.

    Yes they would have. Investigation confirmed that tent was cut out from inside out. Once the tent was cut, it collapsed. And indeed, it was a middle of the night, with no chance of recovering their equipment. For that reason, they decided to walk to the nearest village. Barefoot and in pajamas they had no chance.

    Now, that's a fog of war ( war of words ). If that's true then you are right. But as you said, publishers are avoiding facts that don't make sales. THE publisher I read never mentioned that :)
     
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  6. 1963

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    So that's it then! ... you've made your mind up to believe the first 'theory' that sounds authoritative to you? ... and you are willing to join in forum conversations and decree that there is no mystery because you know all the facts. [without being willing to follow the links that I supplied you to 'the actual facts that disprove your 'facts'] ... Erm? ... I see b0066.
    Well I guess that it would be a futile exercise to explain that Nobody Knows the facts! .. and that there are just theories to ruminate about just what really did cause the tragedy at height 1079 on that horrendously fatal night of February 2nd 1959. Unless of course Igor Povetkin's very-much more 'less simple' theory , formulated over a long time by means of dedicated arduous study into all of the actual known facts about the case combined with his own natural insight into the workings of the cold-war-era Soviet Policies.
    I'll post a link here in case you might some day feel a little more like researching the validity of some random 'blog post' that you stumbled across, ... and then you might just find that 'things are rarely as simple as some declarative blog posters would have you believe'!
    Dyatlov Pass - the latest version. A trap for the prosecutor.
    ... I n this theory [which as I said, there are many] Povetkin makes a good case for the whole thing being the result of the group being in the wrong place at the wrong time [so to speak] and ending up getting murdered by some psychotic members of the military, and then the whole thing staged as mystery in order to cover this evil act up by the military bigwigs of good old Mother-Russia. .... I've thrown a very similar scenario out myself on various sites over the years [for free] ... but Povetkin goes a lot further than I did by not only naming the 'cover-team', but also the weapon of choice for the heinous act .... A Snowmobile! .. no less! ... Which imho, is where his otherwise believable musings falter. [remember... imho] ..Because for one thing, there are quite a few distinct records of testimony that never mention any track-marks whatsoever! ... such as the marks of the 1950's one-ton-+ machines would inevitably left! ... unless of course all of the searchers as well as the investigators [of which there were very many] have been "comprehensively-shut-up" for these past 61 years, without even the slightest whisper getting out at all. :surprised:

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    ... And if you don't like that particular 'theory'... then don't worry, there's a heck of a lot more that I can point you to! ... But please remember that they are just 'theories' and not 'facts' mate. :tumbsup:

    Cheers buddy.
     
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  7. 1963

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    As I don't really believe that the tragedy in the Dyatlov case had anything to with UFO's. [though that is what originally brought me to the case many years ago] I thought that i'd post this musing here.. and it's that as my own personal suspicions about the culprit seem to be getting no closer to being furthered, ... I have recently being reconsidering old claims of 'nefarious ET activity' and trying to find any common links to other 'solely ufological cases' , and have surprised myself by finding a couple of decent links with the 1959 Russian mystery with the 1977 Brazilian top-case Colares Incident.
    ... Here are general links to both cases for anyone interested... Brazilian Island of Colares - UFO Encounters of 1977 The Dyatlov Pass Incident

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    ... and the two obvious links between the cases are The striking similarity of the Colares UFO pictures [taken by the military investigators] and the 18 years earlier pictures of the alleged UFO found on one of the deceased hikers camera role [I think that this was the last picture on the film].
    ... The Dyatlov pictures are regularly said to be probable film error, ... but nobody really knows, it's just speculation and the similarity [to my eyes at least] makes possible causational pretty much a viable concept.
    ... The other link being that even though all of the Dyatlov victims have variable degrees of physical injuries [some very severe] the coroner's final post mortem verdict was that no matter what had occurred beforehand, they all ultimately perished from 'Hyperthermia'. ... Which is understandable given the environment they were in! ... And that brings me to perhaps the most 'unusual aspect' of the doctors reports that examined some 35 of the Colares victims injuries doctor Wellaide Cecim Carvalho, the physician in charge of the health unit on Colares Island,] ... that even though we are talking about a subtropical region of Brazil, those victims too suffered from 'Hypothermia'! ...
    ... also there are the burn marks! .... In the Colares case, the victims sported burn marks from the 'lights' that were 'attacking them' and Some of the Dyatlov victims also had burn marks to either their skin, clothes or both, which were presumed at the time to have originated from the small ineffective fire that they had lit in a panic at the edge of the forest. [well perhaps...?] ... and lastly [for now anyway] there is that familiar spectre of 'Radiation' being detected in both lots of victims. .... The radiation aspect of the Dyatlov case is legendary and has been attempted to be debunked as being insignificant ... or not even true repeatedly by many armchair detectives ever since the case became famous, but has nevertheless been continuously confirmed as being present by means of official records. ... and likewise, the Colares victim reports are awash with reference to 'Radiation Burns'. such as ...
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  8. 1963

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  9. nivek

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    Some interesting 'tidbits' (at least for me) that I came across today...

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    The Molyobka Triangle, Russia

    Without a doubt one of the truly strangest zones on the planet is located near the Ural Mountains in Russia – the site of the infamous Dyatlov Pass incident. The Perm Anomalous Zone is otherwise known as the Molyobka Triangle and is home to some of the most mysterious activity on record.

    For example, there are bizarre and unheard-of reading of electromagnetic energy. Furthermore, watches are said to stop inside the zone, while strange sounds are often heard seemingly coming out of nowhere. What’s more, there are multiple reports of strange lights seen flying overhead.

    As well as UFOs there are apparent sightings of Yetis in the region (something that again comes up in the Dyatlov Pass case).

    The zone remains of intrigue to researchers, both into UFOs and general paranormal happenings. There are currently several projects in place in the area utilizing such technological equipment as infrared cameras, and magnetic field sensors.

    The video below examines these incidents a little further.

     
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  10. nivek

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    This is an allegedly true story from 1930, they all just disappeared...

     
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  11. 1963

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    Thanks for posting that Nivek :Thumbsup: ... I always love a good mystery, whether it be bona fide or just a good yarn. ... I have actually heard of this before along with a few more similar 'mass-disappearance stories' such as the similar "The Village of Hoer Verde Mystery"... Hoer Verde, the town with 600 inhabitants that vanished! – Strange Unexplained Mysteries (coolinterestingstuff.com) .. that after attempting to follow up on the story, turned out to be likely just a myth.
    ..I think that the 'Anjikuni' one that you presented may indeed be similarly mythical but does possess a little something extra in the fact that there was actual findable reference to the story by means of a November 1930 Emmett E. Kelleher article in 'The Danville Bee'... a fact that stuck in 'arch-debunker Brian Dunning's' craw when he was forced to admit that his 'comprehensive debunk' in an episode of 'Skeptoid' was in fact totally wrong because it relied on the erroneous fact that "the story was only around since Frank Edwards's 1959 book, and therefore pure fiction!"
    ... Yes it's certainly one of those old 'possible mysteries' that I love to read about, but the video that you posted doesn't seem to be bothered about too much accuracy and leans heavily on enhancement in my opinion mate. ... for a start, it has the dates completely wrong ... the actual date of this alleged event was November 1930, and not 1932 as stated, and the RCMP did not respond until January 1931 ...after the story had featured in the newspaper [The Danville Bee] rather than the "they responded within hours". ... also there is no mention of Sergeant J. Nelson, the responding investigator's report that was released to the public. ...
    .. but then.. as I say, who knows but it's a real good yarn... let's get the Mystery Bus ready, and we'll put this one to bed my old mate! :Thumbsup:

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  12. nivek

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    So no mystery there, and the video made it look interesting lol...I never heard about that before so it sounded like something legitimate when I watched the video earlier...I was going to look it up and read more this weekend...So much for that idea and I'm pretty picky when it comes to fictional reading...:laugh8:

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