Time Slips and Time Traveling?

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that was good. i think the last version was causing bagle coil fields. see attatched.
the last art bell interview with him is also worth listning to for the details
 

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nivek

As Above So Below

Mysterious Man Manages to Fly to Los Angeles in Strange Alleged Stowaway Case

Federal authorities arrested a man who somehow managed to catch a flight from Denmark to Los Angeles without a plane ticket nor a passport as well as what he claims is no memory of how he wound up on the odd journey. The peculiar incident reportedly occurred in early November when Sergey Ochigava, a Russian-Israeli national, appeared among international arrivals at LAX. When asked for his passport, the man initially indicated that he had inadvertently left it on his inbound flight from Denmark. However, customs officials looking into the situation quickly learned that it was far stranger than they likely could have imagined.

A check of the plane's manifest turned up no sign of Ochigava on the list and, after everyone else had been accounted for, they determined that he had somehow gotten onto the flight without a ticket. Making matters all the weirder, the Scandinavian Airlines crew that served the man said that he was anything but inconspicuous during the flight. To that end, they recalled that he hopped around to different seats, asked for two meals, and tried to snatch some chocolate that belonged to the flight attendants. Upon being questioned by the FBI, Ochigava expressed confusion over the situation and asserted that he had not slept for three days.

The peculiar passenger also offered no explanation for how he wound up in LA by claiming that he had no recollection of passing through security or getting on the flight without a ticket. As one might imagine, authorities and airline officials are investigating how the man could have possibly slipped through so many checkpoints and ultimately landed in an unoccupied seat on the flight without anyone noticing. As for Ochigava, he remains in federal custody as he has been charged with the felony crime of being a stowaway, which carries a five-year prison sentence should he be convicted.


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Rick Hunter

Celestial
This sounds an awful lot like Dave Paulides' missing truckers series. People who end up hundreds of miles away and have no recollection of how they got there, sometimes they don't even know their own names. I think some of these people have entered places where the border between different planes of existence is thin, and are spit out on the other side.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I love stories like that, but it was soldiers not sailors. Weird pic
 
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nivek

As Above So Below

The Strange Case of Imogen’s Time Slip

This story of a Time Slip once again comes from the Liverpool area, a hot spot for this type of phenomena. The case involves a 17-year-old from Garston named Imogen who in May of 2011, went on a shopping trip to pick up a few things for her sister Abigail who had recently become a new mother.

Traveling to the Liverpool City Center, Imogen was greeted by a welcome surprise. At the corner of Lord Street and Whitechapel was a new Mothercare store. Thinking that this was her great luck she quickly walked to the store.

Imogen entered the store and began to browse the large selection of items and soon had an armful of goods as she headed to the cashier. Not only did the Mothercare store have everything she wanted, the prices were incredibly low, probably promotional prices for the opening of the new store she thought.

As the cashier rang up her purchase Imogen noticed that the people in the store were dressed rather oddly. Their clothing seemed to be very out dated appearing to be from the 1950′s or ’60′s. As there were no other customers in the store she thought it was simply the way the staff dressed, although she had never noticed the old clothing at other Mothercare stores.

When Imogen handed her credit card to the clerk to pay for her items she was greeted by a puzzled look on the clerks face. After looking at the card for a few seconds another employee was called over and examined the card. Neither of the Mothercare employees appeared to have ever seen a credit card before and Imogen was told that they could not accept the card as payment. With little money, Imogen had no choice but to leave the store empty-handed.

Later that evening Imogen told her mother about what had happened. As the two spoke Imogen’s mother ask her exactly where the store was. On the corner of Lord Street and Whitechapel she said. Her mother responded that could not possibly be as there was a HSBC on that spot, it was the very bank that Imogen’s mother used. Imogen soon returned to the location and there was in fact a HSBC on the site and no sign of the Mothercare store.

As it turns out there was a Mothercare store at the location but that was many years ago, before HSBC moved in. There are many other stories of people in Liverpool experiencing time slips, most often going back to the 1950s or 60s and this makes one wonder why this could happen here. Is that real time slipping into the past, a glimpse into a parallel universe, or just playing tricks on their imaginations?

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nivek

As Above So Below

The East Village Timeslip

Time slips are a paranormal event during which people – on their own or as a group – inexplicably travel through time by unknown means – and for unknown reasons…

In 1999, Sebastian Raynes was recently divorced and just plain tired. He needed a break and decided to head to NYC for a week of relaxation. Raynes located a hotel room in the East Village and had plans to spend his time visiting the cities museums and art gallery’s and perhaps see a Broadway show.

On the evening of Raynes fourth day in the city, after seeing the show “Cats”, he was looking for a place to eat when he found a small cafe near his hotel. The cafe appeared to be a 1960′s retro eatery and Raynes was amazed at the detail that had been recreated.

The place appeared to be authentic in every way, including Coca Cola bottles with the name molded into the glass and a waitress wearing a tie dye shirt. There were only a few people in the cafe, two girls with their boyfriends who both had very long hair, and another long-haired man playing 60′s music on a guitar.

Raynes ordered his food and found that not only were the portions generous, but the food was delicious and the prices were unbelievable. His full meal totaled just $3.25. Raynes had such a good experience at the cafe he dreamed about the place that night and had every intention of returning. Following another day of sightseeing, Raynes went to the location of the cafe, it wasn’t there.

In the place where the cafe was located was a dark boarded up building that appeared to have had a fire. He was sure that he was at the same place as the previous evening, but just in case he wasn’t, he continued to search for more than two hours but never found the 60′s cafe. Not about to give up, the next day Raynes went once again to where the cafe had been. As he stood outside the burnt out, boarded up building, he saw a woman who appeared to be in her 60′s.

The two began to talk and Raynes asked the woman if she knew where the cafe was located. She told him that he was in fact at the right location. The woman said that she had been to the cafe that he described many times, the last time was in the 1974, at the very location where he was now standing. She had not been back because shortly after her last visit the cafe had a kitchen fire and was gutted.

The cafe was never reopened and the building had set empty ever since.

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Rick Hunter

Celestial
I keep getting drawn to Flannery's Grocery in the little town of Athens, KY. It is located in a building from the 1870's and closed in the early 1980's. A couple of business since then have tried to use the location and all failed quickly. In my mind, there are energies from Flannery's that occupy the place, and may not want anything else there. The border between past and present may also be thin there. I keep thinking that at certain times in my current life I could drive up there, fill my tank with Gulf for .75 a gallon, and get me an Ale-8 and pack of Winstons. I've sat on the stoop recently and ate my take-out supper. I perceived some energies in the place, exactly what they are I have no idea.

Flannery's in 1978, the same year I rolled off the line. The tree with the top removed is still there and looks exactly the same. The section of metal fence leaning up against the building is still there, as is the base for the Gulf sign.

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I keep getting drawn to Flannery's Grocery in the little town of Athens, KY. It is located in a building from the 1870's and closed in the early 1980's. A couple of business since then have tried to use the location and all failed quickly. In my mind, there are energies from Flannery's that occupy the place, and may not want anything else there. The border between past and present may also be thin there. I keep thinking that at certain times in my current life I could drive up there, fill my tank with Gulf for .75 a gallon, and get me an Ale-8 and pack of Winstons. I've sat on the stoop recently and ate my take-out supper. I perceived some energies in the place, exactly what they are I have no idea.

Flannery's in 1978, the same year I rolled off the line. The tree with the top removed is still there and looks exactly the same. The section of metal fence leaning up against the building is still there, as is the base for the Gulf sign.

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Great shot ! IDK if they do that era but that looks like a great Shorpy pic to me.
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I don't doubt that some of these urban legends represent actual experiences. They are very interesting.
However the The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I don't doubt that some of these urban legends represent actual experiences. They are very interesting.
However the The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible.
Apparently many of Enterprise's mission remain classified and they were unaware. Maybe they determined that before the whole whale egg-on-your-slightly-green face thing.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Bruce Gernon made a great guest on Astonishing Legends when they did their treatment of Flight 19. He was a pilot in the general area from a very early age and had many mundane business reasons to be flying around. If we grant automatic credibility to Kenneth Arnold as an experienced pilot I have no problem giving it to him. He's a real pilot with experience and he says he experienced a form of time slip that cut a trip down to a fraction of the time it should have been, and all that was associated with some mighty peculiar atmospheric phenomenon. He seemed so reasonable I picked up his book - then set it right back down. What a steaming load of apocryphal tales. But, there may really be some natural phenomenon that might account for genuine 'time slips' that are probably more tailwinds related than anything else, but worth wasting some time looking at Electronic Fog | Explaining Bermuda Triangle | Bruce Gernon

I won't comment on the feasibility of time travel but there is one really obvious thing that never gets any mention as it relates.

When someone says they saw something extraordinary I'd like to think the person who is 'investigating' the claim would take into account the tools we have at our fingertips. Often it's possible to go back and determine what was in the sky at the time - moon, planets, stars, commercial or military traffic, etc. So when those two women said it was a warm day and the AL Research Corps found the historical weather record that showed it really was, well then point for them. But if you think you were in 18th century France where the hell was the planet on say, August 12 1789? Seems to me we could figure that out straight away. It was likely quite some distance from where it was in 1901 when the two women had their experience, so when you are setting the dials on your Time Machine you'd best account for the actual physical translation as well or wind up floating in deep space. Hell, at least Spock paid lip service to that.
 
I won't comment on the feasibility of time travel but there is one really obvious thing that never gets any mention as it relates.
It all begins with the nature of time itself.
When that part is clear, one can see that time travel can only be a misinterpretation of the observer's frame of reference.
At best we're dealing with parallel universes, that have been running, longer or shorter than each other, or at different clock speeds.
From the observer's perspective, it looks like they've traveled forward or backward in time — but that's not really the case.

That has the following ramifications:

1. No timeline can be "fixed" because the repairs would be taking place in an entirely different universe.
2. If no such parallel universe happens to exist, it could be possible to branch a single timeline into multiple paths, but the original path would still remain unaffected.
3. This makes most sci-fi time travel a motif, or plot device.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I took a quick look around and the short answer is no, there isn't a quick and dirty way to see where the planets were relative to one another at a given date. JPL actually does make tools available but not in a way I'm going to fool with to little purpose. Planetary position is an assumption about the mechanics of something that is dubious at best, like needing to know precisely how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. In any case supporters of the idea of time travel would probably just find some way to pseuosciencexplain it away. The planets don't follow exactly the same path like the ball in the circular cat toy Frank is beating the snot out of in the other room at the moment. I keep coming back to a bowl of petunias and oh no, not again.

You want to tell me a time travel story make it one in which you bring back some veridical evidence. Go dig up a jar of gold coins you saw buried, then we'll talk.
 
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I took a quick look around and the short answer is no, there isn't a quick and dirty way to see where the planets were relative to one another at a given date. JPL actually does make tools available but not in a way I'm going to fool with to little purpose.
Go to the Stellarium Web Online Star Map
There you can select dates and times and locations for planets, stars, galaxies and more.
Planetary position is an assumption about the mechanics of something that is dubious at best, like needing to know precisely how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. In any case supporters of the idea of time travel would probably just find some way to pseuosciencexplain it away. The planets don't follow exactly the same path like the ball in the circular cat toy Frank is beating the snot out of in the other room at the moment. I keep coming back to a bowl of petunias and oh no, not again.
If you read my explanation above, planetary positions are irrelevant, because the observer would in fact be looking at entirely different ( but otherwise identical ) planets within another universe.
You want to tell me a time travel story make it one in which you bring back some veridical evidence. Go dig up a jar of gold coins you saw buried, then we'll talk.
Now this is where it gets interesting. Hypothetically, if we assume that the timelines are identical, other than how far along they've evolved, it should be possible for a traveler from a less evolved universe to show someone in a more evolved universe where their version of their jar of gold is buried. It wouldn't actually be the same jar, but it would be evidence ( not necessarily proof ) that there are at least two timelines in the grander scheme.

Exactly how to go about proving this time travel hypothesis is beyond our current technology ( so far as I know ). However, at least it's conceptually possible.
It's a bit like the afterlives problem where the typical interpretation isn't possible, but the phenomena that leads people to believe in it ( ghosts, poltergeists, etc. ) are real.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Sort of related to this, I've been watching old movies.

Every generation seems to think they have achieved a fantastic level of understanding, one so great that they feel as if they have Life, The Universe and Everything all figured out based on their current level of understanding. We also have a lot of angst over creating an artificial intelligence that will subsume us, but that's another thread. Thing is, it's a moving goal post. I am very cautious to never say never, to make a flat statement that something is impossible.

In non-scientific arenas this described unsinkable ships, impregnable fortresses. As far as my understanding of empirical science goes, its supposed to constantly revise itself as new evidence is presented. Often phenomena can be recognized by some, not necessarily accepted my all and it takes a while before mainstream science catches up. Smallpox vaccinations and germ theory being two i can think of right away. Think about how many 'healers' over the course of time have killed their patients by applying what were considered to be unassailable facts.

Does that apply to time travel, life after death and likely a few other interesting topics ? Sure. There's no harm in leaving a playing card in the door, you don't have to let it close completely.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Now enough heavy pondering, this **** is cool and fun ! I have an old paperback sitting nearby from when I was a kid. Its fiction, sort of a time travel, sci-fi story in a ghostly setting. I'm not saying its good mind you, but its an old favorite. My copy may turn to dust if I touch it.
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Sort of related to this, I've been watching old movies.

Every generation seems to think they have achieved a fantastic level of understanding, one so great that they feel as if they have Life, The Universe and Everything all figured out based on their current level of understanding. We also have a lot of angst over creating an artificial intelligence that will subsume us, but that's another thread. Thing is, it's a moving goal post.
Definitely.
I am very cautious to never say never, to make a flat statement that something is impossible.
Me too. However, knowing the difference between the possible and impossible is an important tool. A half-inch wrench isn't going to turn an eighth-in nut — at least not the way such nuts are typically turned with such a wrench. By adapting this to conceptual matters, and taking sufficient care, we can avoid wasting time promoting beliefs in the impossible, and turn our attention to those theories that are at least possible.
In non-scientific arenas this described unsinkable ships, impregnable fortresses. As far as my understanding of empirical science goes, its supposed to constantly revise itself as new evidence is presented. Often phenomena can be recognized by some, not necessarily accepted my all and it takes a while before mainstream science catches up. Smallpox vaccinations and germ theory being two i can think of right away. Think about how many 'healers' over the course of time have killed their patients by applying what were considered to be unassailable facts.
Those are fair points. However, those examples aren't a demonstration of any failure in the type of process I'm talking about. There are times when we do know enough to make a valid determination of what is and isn't possible within the context of a specific problem.
Does that apply to time travel, life after death and likely a few other interesting topics ?
Yup. The beauty of critical thinking is that it can be applied to virtually any problem in such a way that can help to determine what is or isn't possible.
Sure. There's no harm in leaving a playing card in the door, you don't have to let it close completely.
It's safe to let some doors close completely. If cards are to be used as an example, when someone folds their hand, that door can be considered closed. It's the hands for which you have insufficient information that you need to be careful drawing conclusions about.
 
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