nivek
As Above So Below
I read a news report yesterday from the dailymail.co.uk that used Kiev instead of Kyiv...I haven't looked around to see if the Kyiv usage is predominant and haven't seen that usage myself...
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I read a news report yesterday from the dailymail.co.uk that used Kiev instead of Kyiv...I haven't looked around to see if the Kyiv usage is predominant and haven't seen that usage myself...
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AD1184
Celestial
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I found some information on the sudden change:
KyivNotKiev - Wikipedia
Why the spelling of Ukraine's capital Kyiv changed and how it's connected to Russia conflict
Here is a non-exhaustive list of news organizations that you can see have adopted the Kyiv spelling:
https://news.google.com/search?q=kyiv
The BBC
Sky News
The Independent
The Guardian
The Daily Telegraph (UK)
The Times
The New York Times
CBS
ABC (US)
Al Jazeera
The New Yorker
Politico Europe
Bloomberg
Deutschen Welle
Reuters
Associated Press
CNN
Yahoo News
Forbes
USA Today
The Daily Mail
AFP
CNBC
Financial Times
Wall Street Journal
FRANCE 24
The Jerusalem
The Washington Post
The British and American governments have quietly adopted it officially, as have a large number of official bodies around the English-speaking world.
It is similar to how the romanization Beijing preferred by the Chinese Communist Party became the standard one used by English-speaking news media over the traditional Peking.
nivek
As Above So Below
Very interesting, thanks, I can understand the viewpoint of younger Ukrainians, the Kiev spelling is a reminder to them of the Soviet past and wanting to distance themselves from Russia further by changing the spelling to reflect that distancing also has a psychological impact which is probably refreshing especially for those living in that city...
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The shadow
The shadow knows!
wwkirk
Divine
Link not working for me.
The shadow
The shadow knows!
This will work
nivek
As Above So Below
Why are we wasting money sending troops to Poland when Biden has plainly stated that if Russia invades no American troops will engage?...It should be obvious Russia will not invade Poland and Poland has its own military using American weaponry, so to me this is all pointless now...
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AlienView
Noble
Remember WWI {the First World War} - No real reason for it - But it happened and laid the foundation for the Second World War. Korea had some meaning - Ultimately Vietnam had none except maybe to wipe out part of my generation and reduce the population.
Now we stare at the possibility of WWIII {World War Three} - Over the Ukraine ?!?!
Crazy, right ?
Like you said in another post about recurring cycles of history.......
Or, maybe he {God?} or they {Ancient Aliens?}, have had enough with Human stupidity and are going to wipe out the
the Human race over a truly insane war over the Ukraine.
You see we Evolve too slowly - So they'll try again - Maybe the next Human species experiment will go better than this one ?
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Looks like those nitwits are actually going to do it. Wasn't paying enough attention and forgot about the 'separatist rebels'
Also didn't know that Russia has become the world's #1 grain exporter - wheat. US fell to #2.
I'm sure China will step in and assist Russia with any shortfall western sanctions create.
Also didn't know that Russia has become the world's #1 grain exporter - wheat. US fell to #2.
I'm sure China will step in and assist Russia with any shortfall western sanctions create.
nivek
As Above So Below
Putin paves the way to invade after formally recognizing two rebel-held territories in eastern Ukraine as independent states: Tanks are spotted in 'battle formations' three miles from border
Vladimir Putin will recognise Ukraine's eastern regions as independent states and sign a degree shortly - a move that will pave the way for a long-feared Russian invasion of country. Recognising the rebel regions' independence effectively shatters the Minsk peace agreements and opens the door for Russia to sign treaties with the 'states' and openly send troops and weapons there to defend them. The move fuels further tension with the West and narrows the diplomatic options available to avoid war, since it is an explicit rejection of a seven-year-old ceasefire mediated by France and Germany, still touted as the framework for any future negotiations on the wider crisis. The Kremlin said that upon hearing that Putin will sign the order to recognise the independence of eastern Ukraine's separatist republics, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz had 'expressed disappointment' over the decision in phone calls with the Russian President. Putin had vowed to make a call after an hours-long meeting of his full security council was broadcast on TV, during which Russia's top officials got to their feet one by one and laid out the case for war. Having spent the last several days staging what are widely believed to be 'false flag' attacks in Ukraine's east and blaming them on Kiev, the officials told Putin that Russians in the area are at risk of 'genocide', that no peace deal can save them, and that he must intervene militarily in order to save lives. All eyes will now be on Ukraine's border regions for evidence that Russian troops have crossed, after videos published earlier in the day showed tanks and armoured vehicles in 'battle formations' - some of them less than three miles from the frontier.
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Vladimir Putin will recognise Ukraine's eastern regions as independent states and sign a degree shortly - a move that will pave the way for a long-feared Russian invasion of country. Recognising the rebel regions' independence effectively shatters the Minsk peace agreements and opens the door for Russia to sign treaties with the 'states' and openly send troops and weapons there to defend them. The move fuels further tension with the West and narrows the diplomatic options available to avoid war, since it is an explicit rejection of a seven-year-old ceasefire mediated by France and Germany, still touted as the framework for any future negotiations on the wider crisis. The Kremlin said that upon hearing that Putin will sign the order to recognise the independence of eastern Ukraine's separatist republics, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz had 'expressed disappointment' over the decision in phone calls with the Russian President. Putin had vowed to make a call after an hours-long meeting of his full security council was broadcast on TV, during which Russia's top officials got to their feet one by one and laid out the case for war. Having spent the last several days staging what are widely believed to be 'false flag' attacks in Ukraine's east and blaming them on Kiev, the officials told Putin that Russians in the area are at risk of 'genocide', that no peace deal can save them, and that he must intervene militarily in order to save lives. All eyes will now be on Ukraine's border regions for evidence that Russian troops have crossed, after videos published earlier in the day showed tanks and armoured vehicles in 'battle formations' - some of them less than three miles from the frontier.
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nivek
As Above So Below
Putin Declares 6,500 Square Miles of Ukraine Is No Longer Ukraine
President Putin has unilaterally declared that two chunks of Eastern Ukraine should be considered independent states in a dramatic escalation that many fear could lead to all-out war.
In an address to his nation on Monday, the Russian president formally announced the “the immediate recognition” of the pro-Kremlin regions of Luhansk and Donetsk—which stretch over 6,500 miles—as independent of Ukraine.
The move follows a spectacularly bizarre meeting by Russia’s Security Council, where Putin appeared like a mob boss testing his underlings, as officials, one after another, spoke out in favor of recognizing the self-proclaimed republics.
It was another grotesque spectacle on a day when the drum beats of war grew deafening. The aggressive and totally unjustified territorial claim followed a series of apparent false-flag operations where the Russians tried to blame Ukrainian forces for a number of attacks.
(More on the link)
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President Putin has unilaterally declared that two chunks of Eastern Ukraine should be considered independent states in a dramatic escalation that many fear could lead to all-out war.
In an address to his nation on Monday, the Russian president formally announced the “the immediate recognition” of the pro-Kremlin regions of Luhansk and Donetsk—which stretch over 6,500 miles—as independent of Ukraine.
The move follows a spectacularly bizarre meeting by Russia’s Security Council, where Putin appeared like a mob boss testing his underlings, as officials, one after another, spoke out in favor of recognizing the self-proclaimed republics.
It was another grotesque spectacle on a day when the drum beats of war grew deafening. The aggressive and totally unjustified territorial claim followed a series of apparent false-flag operations where the Russians tried to blame Ukrainian forces for a number of attacks.
(More on the link)
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Standingstones
Celestial
This is one upcoming conflict that could lead to the use of nuclear weapons.
nivek
As Above So Below
wwkirk
Divine
Okay, this has been on my mind for a while, but I declined to bring it up. Maybe some of the political sophisticates in the forum can enlighten me.
Are spheres of influence no longer a thing, geopolitically?
Yes, yes, self-determination blah blah blah. But at the end of the day, don't major powers dominate certain regions, especially contiguous ones, and those with which they have an ethnic connection? No doubt some portion of the Ukraine wants to delimit Russian influence, but can that country be plausibly defended as being a Western interest?
I don't think things are insane enough yet for the West to go to war with Russia over one of it's former co-republics.
Hopefully, this is just a wag the dog lite situation with no actual war required. Optimistically, the West will simply levy some temporary economic sanctions against Russia, and then quietly drop the issue.
Are spheres of influence no longer a thing, geopolitically?
Yes, yes, self-determination blah blah blah. But at the end of the day, don't major powers dominate certain regions, especially contiguous ones, and those with which they have an ethnic connection? No doubt some portion of the Ukraine wants to delimit Russian influence, but can that country be plausibly defended as being a Western interest?
I don't think things are insane enough yet for the West to go to war with Russia over one of it's former co-republics.
Hopefully, this is just a wag the dog lite situation with no actual war required. Optimistically, the West will simply levy some temporary economic sanctions against Russia, and then quietly drop the issue.
nivek
As Above So Below
Putin orders 'peacekeeping forces' into two pro-Russian regions in Ukraine after Biden said he'd hit them with sanctions and called Russian leader's move a 'blatant violation of international law'
Vladimir Putin ordered a 'peacekeeping mission' in Ukraine's eastern breakaways of Donetsk and Luhansk on Monday night after President Joe Biden said he would hit the two regions with sanctions following Russia declaring them 'independent republics'. Putin's decrees declaring the so-called DPR and LPR as sovereign states also included so-called 'peacekeeping' missions - the first real step toward a full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Biden immediately issued on Monday economic sanctions on the two regions, which was met with criticism that the punishment did not extend directly to Russia or Putin. The restrictions will prohibit new investment, trade and financing in the two separatist regions of Ukraine recognized by Putin, while the EU's top officials said the bloc will also impose sanctions. The President also held a call with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky promising a 'swift and decisive' response to Putin's latest move following a meeting with his National Security team at the White House. Jim Scuitto, a CNN national security who served as chief of staff to the U.S. Ambassador to China under Obama, said of the sanctions: 'Is this really it?' White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki assured in her Monday statement that there will be further measures taken in coordination with U.S. allies and partners if Russia further invades Ukraine. 'We are continuing to closely consult with Allies and partners, including Ukraine, on next steps and on Russia's ongoing escalation along the border with Ukraine,' she wrote. In searing address to the nation, Putin slammed the U.S. for 'colonizing' Ukraine and using it as a 'puppet regime' in remarks where he announced he would sign a decree recognizing two eastern regions of Ukraine as independent states.
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Vladimir Putin ordered a 'peacekeeping mission' in Ukraine's eastern breakaways of Donetsk and Luhansk on Monday night after President Joe Biden said he would hit the two regions with sanctions following Russia declaring them 'independent republics'. Putin's decrees declaring the so-called DPR and LPR as sovereign states also included so-called 'peacekeeping' missions - the first real step toward a full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Biden immediately issued on Monday economic sanctions on the two regions, which was met with criticism that the punishment did not extend directly to Russia or Putin. The restrictions will prohibit new investment, trade and financing in the two separatist regions of Ukraine recognized by Putin, while the EU's top officials said the bloc will also impose sanctions. The President also held a call with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky promising a 'swift and decisive' response to Putin's latest move following a meeting with his National Security team at the White House. Jim Scuitto, a CNN national security who served as chief of staff to the U.S. Ambassador to China under Obama, said of the sanctions: 'Is this really it?' White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki assured in her Monday statement that there will be further measures taken in coordination with U.S. allies and partners if Russia further invades Ukraine. 'We are continuing to closely consult with Allies and partners, including Ukraine, on next steps and on Russia's ongoing escalation along the border with Ukraine,' she wrote. In searing address to the nation, Putin slammed the U.S. for 'colonizing' Ukraine and using it as a 'puppet regime' in remarks where he announced he would sign a decree recognizing two eastern regions of Ukraine as independent states.
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
There's always another point of view. The US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan with little to show for it other than decades of death and destruction and debt. Outrage on our part is the pot calling the kettle black. Incompetent leadership in the US is why this is happening. I wonder what will happen in Taiwan over the next three years.
Word salad is not helpful. If anything says 'we are bumble****s' more clearly please tell me what it is. Normally I'd paste in the article but thinking about this gives me a giant pain in my ***.
Harris acknowledges 'real possibility of war' in Europe
Kamala Harris slammed for 'word salad' response to Ukraine-Russia questions
Word salad is not helpful. If anything says 'we are bumble****s' more clearly please tell me what it is. Normally I'd paste in the article but thinking about this gives me a giant pain in my ***.
Harris acknowledges 'real possibility of war' in Europe
Kamala Harris slammed for 'word salad' response to Ukraine-Russia questions
AD1184
Celestial
Did you watch the video that I linked to in post #529? The video is 74 minutes long, but only the first 45 are the actual lecture, after that is the Q&A session. I could still comfortably listen to it at 1.5x playback speed, shrinking the lecture portion into 30 minutes. One of the points John Mearsheimer makes is that Ukraine holds very little value to US national interests, so it is completely irrational to risk war with Putin over it, and that NATO and EU expansion into Ukraine is a Russian red line that they have made clear many times.
michael59
Celestial
Well, I didn't notice until you mentioned it. That is strange. Is there a way of finding out a date to when it changed?