Wars & Rumours of Wars

nivek

nivek

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Israel used swarm of drones to confuse Iranian air defences before 'firing supersonic Rampage missile' from fighter jet to take out radar station in precision attack that silenced Tehran's mullahs​

Israel's retaliatory attack on Iran last week seems to have blunted Tehran's sabre-rattling rhetoric, at least for now.

The surgical strike, which came in response to Iran's launching of some 320 missiles and drones on targets in Israel on April 13, is believed to have damaged the radar systems of an air defence battery at an airbase near the central city of Isfahan.

Initial reports of the strike were murky, with neither side willing to share details of what had transpired.

Iranian army commander Gen. Abdolrahim Mousavi said air defence systems shot down 'suspicious objects that did not cause any damage', as foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian described them as 'more like toys our children play with'.

But Israeli media this morning claimed the Israeli Air Force (IAF) struck Iranian targets with 'Rampage' air-to-surface missiles, launched from fighter more than a hundred miles west of Iranian airspace.

These supersonic precision missiles are equipped with anti-jamming technology to foil electronic countermeasures and are designed to penetrate heavily protected targets like military facilities and bunkers.

Meanwhile, quadcopter drones were used to confuse and distract Tehran's air defence systems, increasing the efficacy of the punishing missile strikes.

Satellite imagery revealed by Umbra Space, Skywatch and Planet Labs appeared to show debris littering the site of the radar system at the airfield.

S-300 air defence batteries that use the radar system to track incoming threats and were present at the time of the strike were later removed, suggesting they had also been damaged.

The targeted and measured nature of the strike was reportedly decided upon after Israeli officials abandoned plans for a more widespread attack akin to that launched by Tehran on April 13.

After consulting with its allies, the IAF opted for a limited strike that avoided significant damage, but still demonstrated to the Islamic Republic's leaders Tel Aviv's capability and willingness to trade blows, according to Israeli officials cited by the New York Times - an assessment that tallies with the conclusions of many analysts.

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Rick Hunter

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I'm neither a big fan or detractor of Israel, but they have really got their shit together military wise. Iran's leadership is pretty dumb, what did they expect was going to happen?
 
nivek

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Ukraine's stuck in a stinking trench-warfare brawl. Why is there no push for peace?​

Ukraine now has powerful new American missiles which can travel almost 200 miles. Funnily enough, neither Washington nor Kiev were too keen to make this fact public. But at least two have already been used against targets in Crimea.

A year ago, the Americans refused to send exactly the same missiles to Ukraine, on the excuse that they hadn’t any to spare, though the real reason was that they were afraid of how they might be used. This is also why Germany (for now) is not giving its 300-mile-range Taurus rockets to President Zelensky.

Look back to the months after Russia’s invasion, two years ago, and you will find that Nato powers have steadily relaxed their original limits on what they would give Ukraine.

Now, with the release of the USA’s $60billion aid package, we can expect a river of weapons and ammunition to flow into the dismal battlefields of the Don Basin. I think we can also be sure that there will be more strikes into Russian territory, even if Ukraine says it won’t do this. Russia will carry on responding by smashing up what is left of Ukraine’s economy and electricity grid.

Three outcomes are possible. The first is that, a year hence, things are much as they are now, but many more men on both sides are dead or horribly maimed, and more homes destroyed.

The second is that the front line has moved slightly one way or the other, plus the deaths and the destruction already mentioned. And the third, which cannot be ruled out just because ‘experts’ say it is unlikely, is that Ukraine’s greatly increased firepower will cause a Russian collapse and defeat.

This would lead to the fall of Vladimir Putin. If this happens, I would not count on him being replaced by anyone nicer. Rather the reverse. In which case Europe will be more unstable than it has been for nearly a century. Who wants this?

What are our war aims? What would be a good outcome? If you listen to the BBC, you would think that a negotiated peace would be a horrible thing. The Corporation’s coverage on this lacks any attempt at balance or reflection. Dissent has been wiped from the airwaves. For liberal Left-wing people in the West have, in the past two decades, become keen warmongers.

Why? Despite their general sandal-wearing, vegetarian outward appearance, Leftists have sound reasons for liking wars. War increases state power and centralisation, imposes regimentation and censorship and – in the past century – has made Europe far more socialist than it would ever otherwise have been.

Leftists are also Utopian idealists, ready to kill and destroy for a glowing distant goal. Utopia can only be approached across a sea of blood, and you never arrive.
The mystery is why political conservatives these days are so keen on war, their enemy. The proper conservative (and adult) view of war is that it is a regrettable necessity, costly and destructive, and to be ended by compromise as soon as possible. All we have learned from the Ukraine conflict is what the simplest citizen knows in his personal life – that deliberately annoying a powerful neighbour will get you into trouble, and that shabby compromise is cheaper and safer than a fight to the finish.

The war in Ukraine results from the desires of a small American foreign policy faction. They are the same lot who got us into the Iraq war in 2003, who turned Libya into an anarchic cauldron, and who applauded the disastrous ‘Arab Spring’, which ended up with the West condoning a ghastly massacre in Cairo, and supporting the military junta there.

They also entirely wrecked Syria, so obsessed with overthrowing its despot that they allied with Al Qaeda to do so. They think they can remake the world. All they manage to do – over and over again – is break it. They seem to have got their idea of how the world works out of comic books, not history books. But still they sit there.

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nivek

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Looks like they're setting this up to be a 15-20 year war, how can this be justified?...

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Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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nivek said:
Looks like they're setting this up to be a 15-20 year war, how can this be justified?...

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According to some sources, allegedly within US military, already 600,000 Ukrainians died. That's the reason why mass media is hiding Ukrainian casualty figures.

And for every dead Ukrainian there is at least one dead Russian. So, tally is around 1,200,000 dead Europeans. Vietnamese lost about 1,600,000 in their war, so this might be double that.
 
pigfarmer

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Rick Hunter said:
I'm neither a big fan or detractor of Israel, but they have really got their shit together military wise. Iran's leadership is pretty dumb, what did they expect was going to happen?
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More than nothing, certainly. Even one or two hits could have been catastrophic even if only in political terms. A surgical strike to take out Iran's most advanced air defense systems with impunity absolutely sent a undeniable message. One far more effective than wagging a liver spotted old finger and saying 'don't'

Don't you think the people they bought them from will be scratching their heads wondering about all that? Deja vu, this has happened before. If I were Iran I'd be looking for my receipt .......
 
pigfarmer

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Dejan Corovic said:
I don't get enough time to follow everything, so I missed that one. Can you please explain what are you referring to?
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Iran launched that large drone strike. Israel responded in such a low key way nobody was quite sure what happened.

Israel launched a number of cheap drones as a diversion and then hit one of Iran's most sensitive nuclear sites - one that was supposed to be protected by a state of the art air defense system.

The message was 'we can strike when and where we choose at will'

Israel’s Strike on Iran Highlights Its Ability to Evade Tehran’s Air Defenses

S-300 missile system

The S-300 (NATO reporting name SA-10 Grumble) is a series of long-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the former Soviet Union. It was produced by NPO Almaz for the Soviet Air Defence Forces to defend against air raids and cruise missiles. The S-300 is still regarded as one of the most potent anti-aircraft missile systems in active use.
 
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Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
pigfarmer said:
Iran launched that large drone strike. Israel responded in such a low key way nobody was quite sure what happened.

Israel launched a number of cheap drones as a diversion and then hit one of Iran's most sensitive nuclear sites - one that was supposed to be protected by a state of the art air defense system.

The message was 'we can strike when and where we choose at will'

Israel’s Strike on Iran Highlights Its Ability to Evade Tehran’s Air Defenses

S-300 missile system

The S-300 (NATO reporting name SA-10 Grumble) is a series of long-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the former Soviet Union. It was produced by NPO Almaz for the Soviet Air Defence Forces to defend against air raids and cruise missiles. The S-300 is still regarded as one of the most potent anti-aircraft missile systems in active use.
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What all that means there will be some heads chopped off in the Iranian military, amongst those responsible for air defence. :cool:
 
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