What Will The Afterlife Be Like?

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Many if not most ancient cultures have some sort of Great Flood myth. Usually involves some fertile respite and a very few people left to start things over again. Call it what you will but we can surmise that something of magnitude happened in antiquity, the details lost over time. Of necessity real history is a lossy format, the real feel and taste is extremely perishable. Having a belief in Something Else, that there is something beyond corporeal existence is also an extremely common theme. So is this biology and sociology that collectively works to our advantage somehow or myth with some actual basis in fact?

There are non-Western cultures that readily accept life after death, in fact embrace it. There are accounts of bodies being marked in certain ways that reappear in children. Sometimes they bear scars from grievous mortal wounds, past illness, or are deliberately marked by relatives near or shortly after physical death. Descriptions of what happens 'in between' are not unheard of and a very few have been well documented. Some bear remnants of past personalities and possess detailed knowledge of them for otherwise inexplicable reasons.

Sounds to me like a natural process that we are aware of and can describe that 'modern empirical science' is having a hard time getting it's head around. Typically, it's always late to the party. I've spent a bit of time looking for veridical evidence without success, only got tantalizing synchronicities.

God, what would anyone do if they actually received this proof ?

I've mentioned this privately but may as well drop it here. My best friend passed last year quickly and badly. He lived with us a while before he went into a facility. We created a secret message - a simple phrase that could easily be represented in an image. We signed it, mailed it to myself so it's post marked and it's been in a commercial safe that only I have access to since February 2021. Put some effort into finding the 'right person' to help with this and can say it was all very illuminating but not overly helpful.

The part I never considered is what the hell would I do if I actually GOT the damned message? When you think about it, isn't that a bit of a reality-worldview-rattler ? Like my dog finally catching the UPS truck, now what?
I believe that we continue to exist in some form but am wondering if it would be unhealthy if we actually could communicate. If someone were to invent for example, a 'radio transmitter for talking to God' to paraphrase Rene Belloq, would it really be a good idea?

I believe it's a more complicated process than just dropping a line. If this were the case everyone would hear from their loved ones after passing. I don't really know how some people are able to receive messages or farewells while others are not. However, I'm not ready to write off everyone's story on behalf of those who didn't receive a message.

I'm not sure how it happens or why it happens or why it doesn't happen to everyone, But, It can't entirely be an emotional connection to the individual either, IF that were the case no one would have ever seen a ghost ever. Unless one is inclined to believe that no one has ever seen a ghost ever. I feel like, It may have something to do with the individual that perceives.. Perhaps that individual on the receiving end has some sort of experience or property to their individuality that makes it possible, Perhaps a near-death experience that they themselves have had. I'm not sure.


I can say this though, Just as it would be with the supernatural, If everyone everywhere got to experience it, There would be little mystery to the facts swarming about all around us. I do know, To some Degree, Some people have had genuine experiences, I know this because I've had them.

If I had to give any input on this, I would say, The Messages we receive are not truly in real-time, I believe there are limitations. Strong emotional Feelings, Perhaps could be conveyed, While, Logical output like, The Answer to an intricate question may be more difficult to convey.

In Certain Contexts, and Scriptures Death is conveyed in this way, The Body perishes, The worries and concerns, and possibly all memories parish. The reason for this as I understand it is that what is left can truly be at peace, Because how could they be at peace with all those memories and worries weighing them down? In spiritual Scripture, This includes Hindu, Christian, Jewish, Even Satanism, and Witchcraft, The Soul leaves the Body and passes on to another place, A place where souls are gathered together with others and, Contained, Held, Stored there, perhaps sleeping.

I bring this up because personal beliefs are unique to individuals. But These are shared beliefs spanning various spiritualities and epochs, So they are cross-referenced to some degree.

Some, May never Believe, And that's fine. But, This needs to be said. A great many people have had experiences. If the truth was truly unveiled. One would quickly see more people have experienced the unknown than not. I don't ask that people believe as I do, But I feel it necessary to point out that the nonbeliever is the minority by an extraordinarily vast margin, and
By a margin so vast, It makes me wonder if they are even looking... "Not talking about God here, Im talking about The entirety of the supernatural"
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I wonder if there are those, Who could genuinely experience a supernatural event, and not recognize it, Or Possibly refuse to accept it? For reasons of principle? or simply disbelief?

I mean, If I saw something, That I was convinced could not exist, I probably wouldn't believe I had seen that thing. So, Yeah, Maybe programming does have something to do with it.
 

spacecase0

earth human
Many if not most ancient cultures have some sort of Great Flood myth. Usually involves some fertile respite and a very few people left to start things over again. Call it what you will but we can surmise that something of magnitude happened in antiquity, the details lost over time. Of necessity real history is a lossy format, the real feel and taste is extremely perishable. Having a belief in Something Else, that there is something beyond corporeal existence is also an extremely common theme. So is this biology and sociology that collectively works to our advantage somehow or myth with some actual basis in fact?

There are non-Western cultures that readily accept life after death, in fact embrace it. There are accounts of bodies being marked in certain ways that reappear in children. Sometimes they bear scars from grievous mortal wounds, past illness, or are deliberately marked by relatives near or shortly after physical death. Descriptions of what happens 'in between' are not unheard of and a very few have been well documented. Some bear remnants of past personalities and possess detailed knowledge of them for otherwise inexplicable reasons.

Sounds to me like a natural process that we are aware of and can describe that 'modern empirical science' is having a hard time getting it's head around. Typically, it's always late to the party. I've spent a bit of time looking for veridical evidence without success, only got tantalizing synchronicities.

God, what would anyone do if they actually received this proof ?

I've mentioned this privately but may as well drop it here. My best friend passed last year quickly and badly. He lived with us a while before he went into a facility. We created a secret message - a simple phrase that could easily be represented in an image. We signed it, mailed it to myself so it's post marked and it's been in a commercial safe that only I have access to since February 2021. Put some effort into finding the 'right person' to help with this and can say it was all very illuminating but not overly helpful.

The part I never considered is what the hell would I do if I actually GOT the damned message? When you think about it, isn't that a bit of a reality-worldview-rattler ? Like my dog finally catching the UPS truck, now what?
I believe that we continue to exist in some form but am wondering if it would be unhealthy if we actually could communicate. If someone were to invent for example, a 'radio transmitter for talking to God' to paraphrase Rene Belloq, would it really be a good idea?
I wonder what you need for proof,
many people I know will never have proof, nothing will qualify..
even if you got that message, would you just think it was a better random event ?
for me, I have already had proof, and quite a few times.
you really have to think about what qualifies for proof before you start testing,
and for many many people nothing would qualify ever, for some, everything qualifies...
looking for repeatable and on demand is unlikely to happen, remember that you are dealing with test subjects on the other side that don't really care about your experiment.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I wonder if there are those, Who could genuinely experience a supernatural event, and not recognize it, Or Possibly refuse to accept it? For reasons of principle? or simply disbelief?

I mean, If I saw something, That I was convinced could not exist, I probably wouldn't believe I had seen that thing. So, Yeah, Maybe programming does have something to do with it.

Otherwise normal children, meaning the ones who aren't talking about past lives, will sometimes blurt out all sorts of weirdness about people no one else can see. Maybe beyond the pale of just an imaginary friend. Not quite I see dead people but just someone otherwise unremarkable. Pets can react strangely sometimes, makes me wonder what they are tuned into that I am not. Kids grow out of it. Makes me wonder though.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I wonder if there are those, Who could genuinely experience a supernatural event, and not recognize it, Or Possibly refuse to accept it? For reasons of principle? or simply disbelief?

I mean, If I saw something, That I was convinced could not exist, I probably wouldn't believe I had seen that thing. So, Yeah, Maybe programming does have something to do with it.

Howard Hughes of The Unexplained has said many times he saw a spirit of some kind at a radio station. Said the guy was otherwise normal but for some older looking clothes. Several people have reported it. WTF ?
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I wonder what you need for proof,
many people I know will never have proof, nothing will qualify..
even if you got that message, would you just think it was a better random event ?
for me, I have already had proof, and quite a few times.
you really have to think about what qualifies for proof before you start testing,
and for many many people nothing would qualify ever, for some, everything qualifies...
looking for repeatable and on demand is unlikely to happen, remember that you are dealing with test subjects on the other side that don't really care about your experiment.

I'd start with the contents of the message or something close or even a visual representation. My friend and I talked about that and are clever fellows so we assumed a lot of attenuation and wanted something that might punch through anyway.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Supernatural events are always stemming from an objective reality yet the manner with which they are viewed are always subjective, the appearance tailored for the experiencer so that the message or understanding is accepted...If someone were to experience the supernatural event objectively without preparation, it's most likely to be rejected with fear setting in because it would be unrecognizable...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Sorry for dissipating the fluffy clouds, I'll bow out of this thread and unwatch, please continue...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
IMO the Pope and Dalai Lama and everyone else that’s still alive has an equal opinion. My interest is in areas that some actual quantifiable study might be applied.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Sorry for dissipating the fluffy clouds, I'll bow out of this thread and unwatch, please continue...

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I wouldn't worry about it , if all the others that came before you couldn't do it. I doubt you've done anything.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
IMO the Pope and Dalai Lama and everyone else that’s still alive has an equal opinion. My interest is in areas that some actual quantifiable study might be applied.
The only problem with aggressive nonbelievers is they hide behind hypocrisy.. They do it for the betterment of the human race, for education or for truth.


That's just their mask.. Behind it they are as confused as everyone else. But they take the vantage point of the high ground because it's easier to debate from the top down..

I ask you, how is any agnostic or atheist, benefiting all of human kind or education, by disproving God or heaven? They benefit themselves and their views
 

nivek

As Above So Below
It is generally known that one truly needs to have a proper understanding of the spiritual world in order to comprehend the full significance of any supernatural experiences...Certain fundamental wisdoms are designed to transcend the techniques of thinking thus bringing together all of the content of one's personal research, revelations, and supernatural experiences into an objective and unified conception of everything that's physically imperceptible, the spiritual world...

We are limited by our own conceptions, elements that reach us from the supernatural reality are purely spiritual in nature and not dependent upon our understandings at any given moment of the spiritual experience...What passes over onto the experiencer is purely spiritual in nature but must filter through our conceptions in order to reach us...Dependent upon whether the experiencer has a proper understanding of the spiritual world, some things may be missing when passed over, pieces of the transmission lost that could not pass over, because of the experiencer's conceptions during that moment of experience...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
It is generally known that one truly needs to have a proper understanding of the spiritual world in order to comprehend the full significance of any supernatural experiences...Certain fundamental wisdoms are designed to transcend the techniques of thinking thus bringing together all of the content of one's personal research, revelations, and supernatural experiences into an objective and unified conception of everything that's physically imperceptible, the spiritual world...

We are limited by our own conceptions, elements that reach us from the supernatural reality are purely spiritual in nature and not dependent upon our understandings at any given moment of the spiritual experience...What passes over onto the experiencer is purely spiritual in nature but must filter through our conceptions in order to reach us...Dependent upon whether the experiencer has a proper understanding of the spiritual world, some things may be missing when passed over, pieces of the transmission lost that could not pass over, because of the experiencer's conceptions during that moment of experience...

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I know it sounds close minded, but as long as someone believes in something. Anything rather than nothing. People who believe in "nothing" something about believing in nothing really bothers me. Other than that one minor irritation. I urge people to believe in anything they wish. I'm not spreading my own ideologies. Its just difficult for me to accept those who think this reality and what we see is all there is, you know?
 

nivek

As Above So Below

nivek

As Above So Below
No one im just pointing out a type of individual I find distasteful, who says im laying down accusations?

Apologies for asking, I was confused by your reply to my post, to me your reply does not relate to what I was conveying in my post so I was confused...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Apologies for asking, I was confused by your reply to my post, to me your reply does not relate to what I was conveying in my post so I was confused...

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No worries, sometimes I reply to the last post even though im just generally speaking, so I can see how that happens. It's a bad habit I have.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
This is something I have devoted quite a bit of thought to.

Belief in life after death is a coping mechanism, something maybe even evolution gave us as a survival skill to allow us to live in cooperative groups. If we all believed unswervingly that the end was just a click we'd probably behave very differently. Or not, who the hell knows.

I have Belief, something that comforts me, that says our consciousness continues after our bodies die. Our brains certainly continue to function for some period after our heart stops and people have been revived after long periods of hypothermia. I just think that the actual threshold beyond which you do not return is slightly different for everyone and may not be the exact time a doctor 'codes' the moment. I would bet that in the good old days of the French Revolution there were heads in baskets that had some awareness for uncomfortably long periods of time, had anyone realized it.

The similarities between Near Death Experiences (NDEs) and some of the more secular, ordered studies of reincarnation are striking. Small children have made surprising statements about the 'in between' that are very similar to NDEs and you might think that suggests something else going on beyond some organic process.

Interesting articles:

The brain activity of a dying person was recorded for the first time ever

Brains Of Dying Rats Yield Clues About Near-Death Experiences

Life review. If you read that and other articles related to it there is a suggestion that the 'life flashing before your eyes' is also a natural thing. In my experience it is - my Mom certainly went through those. Seeing deceased loved ones is common too. I was right there when my Mom did those things and believe me, the experience would leave the hardest skeptic nonplussed.

All that said, I don't really think anyone has a particularly accurate idea of 'what it's like' and I am generally suspicious of those that say they have very detailed knowledge and descriptions. I've read enough to satisfy myself and importantly, have chosen to believe that we continue on and are part of a larger whole. I don't think it's far away rather right here, right now all the time and though we might get a peek now and again we aren't intended to see it all. I suspect it isn't the traditional pearly gates and sunshine filled meadows rather just another probably imperfect aspect of our existence.

I've said this before and you'll hear it again. I hope to fade to black and then reappear on the original Enterprise transporter pad. Scotty will tell the bridge 'we've got him' and Spock will explain that it wasn't divine intervention that brought me there, it was simply him 'cross circuiting to B.'




When a person dies he/she also gives up the etheric body, which separates from the physical body and is then normally absorbed into the cosmos...However, sometimes when someone surrenders the etheric body after physical death, certain beings take it before it goes up into the cosmos and they clothe themselves in it and become etheric beings with the aid of the etheric bodies of dead men or dead women...Beings who normally do not belong to this physical reality but have insinuated themselves into it by donning the discarded etheric bodies of dead people, think of the repercussions from our point of view...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Actually I still have interest in that. Problem is, the intervening few months for me have been very, very rough on me for a number of reasons and it seems to have ruined my ability to meditate. I try, I just don't get anywhere - feels like insomnia or constipation or something. Bent my antenna. Working on it.

Try it a different way, don't try, instead just observe, take the time to meditate and when you do move your attention inward and just observe, don't take notes, don't judge, just watch...It may look chaotic because it is, it's likely turbulent but you have to face it and move through it to become unoccupied with it...Meditation is being separate from your mind so just be a witness to it, dont repress it, just watch...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
When a person dies he/she also gives up the etheric body, which separates from the physical body and is then normally absorbed into the cosmos...However, sometimes when someone surrenders the etheric body after physical death, certain beings take it before it goes up into the cosmos and they clothe themselves in it and become etheric beings with the aid of the etheric bodies of dead men or dead women...Beings who normally do not belong to this physical reality but have insinuated themselves into it by donning the discarded etheric bodies of dead people, think of the repercussions from our point of view...

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I had always wanted to hear your thoughts on the after life. It's just a mind blower after so many years that it took this long. Thank you bro.
 
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