Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

nivek

As Above So Below
If vaccinated people are getting sick with covid (and I know the percentages of breakthrough cases are small) wouldn't this give Covid ammunition to develop a mutation that could possibly render the vaccines completely useless and ineffective?...

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HAL9000

Honorable
People who are inoculated against flue can get sick, but they tend not to die. All viri mutate.

The thing that isn't being hammered home to the people who resist the jab is that virtually all the people who are dying are people who have not been inoculated.
 

nivek

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Your flu shot may protect against severe COVID, study finds — but it’s not clear why

Getting a flu shot may come with an added benefit: protection against severe coronavirus infection.

That’s the conclusion researchers made from a review of nearly 75 million COVID-19 patient records from around the globe, which found those who received a flu vaccine up to six months before getting infected were less likely to have a stroke, experience sepsis or develop blood clots caused by the disease.

Coronavirus patients vaccinated against influenza were also less likely to visit the emergency department and be admitted to the intensive care unit, according to new research presented online during the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases.

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JahaRa

Noble
Your trying to shame the wrong person, I'm fully vaccinated for Covid...

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I have noticed a lot of people making bad assumptions and so wrapped up in their shaming people they don't know that they turn in to royal a*** hats. And you point it out and they respond that they have a right to shame any one they want. Extremely idiotic. Extremist views are almost always based on ignorance and fear.
 

JahaRa

Noble
People who are inoculated against flue can get sick, but they tend not to die. All viri mutate.

The thing that isn't being hammered home to the people who resist the jab is that virtually all the people who are dying are people who have not been inoculated.
And the thing that hasn't been hammered hard enough into the skulls of the people making blanket statements like this is that a lot of people cannot be vaccinated, for health reasons usually, but there are places in Australia where people can't get a vaccine, they doling them out like they are gold. That is how it was a few months ago in the U.S. and in any rural area where people can't get health care (and Yes there are places in the U.S. like that) they have no access to the vaccine.
 

dr wu

Noble
Your trying to shame the wrong person, I'm fully vaccinated for Covid...

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That was not directed at you Nivek. I probably should have posted it as a stand alone and not quoted you.
It was meant as a general comment regarding those who seem to be obsessed with the current anti vaccine stance and this 'freedom of choice' ideology that some seem to be promoting in relation to taking the vaccine.
 

dr wu

Noble
And the thing that hasn't been hammered hard enough into the skulls of the people making blanket statements like this is that a lot of people cannot be vaccinated, for health reasons usually, but there are places in Australia where people can't get a vaccine, they doling them out like they are gold. That is how it was a few months ago in the U.S. and in any rural area where people can't get health care (and Yes there are places in the U.S. like that) they have no access to the vaccine.
You are right...it should be available to all who want it...and not all have had proper access. My comment was about the ideological posturing from some who seem to think we don't need it based on their own information and they presume it's an invasion of our rights somewhow.
 

dr wu

Noble
If vaccinated people are getting sick with covid (and I know the percentages of breakthrough cases are small) wouldn't this give Covid ammunition to develop a mutation that could possibly render the vaccines completely useless and ineffective?...

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Anything is possible but should we then not get vaccinated because of a 'what if' scenario?
As Hal said viruses mutate and as I pointed out we all have had polio and other vaccines and it saved millions over the years. The incident ,as you well know, is low for severely bad side effects so better safe than sorry.
 

dlw

Saved by grace
Well i hope nothing happens to any one who got the shots, my mom took both shots. Fact is i heard from someone that the count is over 9000 now at the reporting site. I have not looked, last count i heard was 6000.That alone should be enough to take a real vaccine off market.
I have used the wait and see what happens before i formed any opinion on these shots. Well i have waited and i have seen.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Anything is possible but should we then not get vaccinated because of a 'what if' scenario?
As Hal said viruses mutate and as I pointed out we all have had polio and other vaccines and it saved millions over the years. The incident ,as you well know, is low for severely bad side effects so better safe than sorry.

You just can't resist can you...lol

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JahaRa

Noble
You are right...it should be available to all who want it...and not all have had proper access. My comment was about the ideological posturing from some who seem to think we don't need it based on their own information and they presume it's an invasion of our rights somewhow.
In the U.S. forcing anyone to get a vaccine for anything is an invasion of our rights, however, it is already done with infants that leave the hospital with at least two vaccines and the parents have to take them back 2 days later for a blood test. By the time U.S. children are two years old they have had a lot of vaccines. If they want to go to public school they have to have more vaccines by the time they are 5. When they are 15 they have to have a DPT vaccine if they want to keep going to public school. Of course any parent can opt out of any of it, but if you are on any kind of public assistance you loose that if your children don't get vaccinated. If you have the time to homeschool or you have the money for private school you don't have to worry about that either.

I am not an anti-vaxer but I suspect some of them are not necessary to keep the population healthy. I never heard of anyone dying from measles or rubella. I have heard stories about adult men being severely damaged by mumps, but how many children under the age of 14 have died from mumps or even gone to the hospital in the U.S. The problem is that very few people are educated well enough to even make a reasonable decision about what vaccines are necessary and what vaccines aren't. And all uneducated people can be manipulated by emotion. So, there is a movement (seems to be coming from "patriots" and christians and "patriot christians") that this particular vaccine is evil and dangerous and a lot of people buy what they are peddling. It is a political agenda. If we could track who benefits then we could figure out their agenda.
 

nivek

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A lot of younger adults simply feel healthy and do not have any desire to get vaccinated and it has nothing to do with religious or political affiliations...To reduce all the reasons why there's still so many unvaccinated to religious or political influence is shortsighted and ignorant of the reality of the situation...We simply can't force people to take a vaccine for a virus that's 99 percent survivable...

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‘I am 30 and have no reason to get vaccinated.’ Getting COVID-19 shots in the arms of young adults a challenge for public health experts.

CHICAGO — Sally Vala says she has no desire to get the COVID-19 vaccine, in part because she’s relatively young and has no major health problems.

“I am 30 and have no reason to get vaccinated,” said the west suburban Downers Grove woman. “I’m healthy, exercise and have been fine since this whole thing started. No plans on getting the vaccine.”

As public health officials race to vaccinate enough Americans to reach herd immunity against the new virus, getting shots in the arms of young adults might prove to be a major challenge, according to two recent studies by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


In one study, nearly a quarter of 18- to 39-year-olds surveyed in the spring said they would “probably or definitely not” get vaccinated.

Adults aged 18 to 24 were least likely to report getting immunized and most likely to describe being unsure or definitely planning to forgo vaccination.

Worries about the safety and effectiveness of the shots “were the primary reported reasons for not getting vaccinated,” the study concluded.

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dr wu

Noble
Regarding getting vaccines in general (and these days the covid vaccine)...just a reminder...
"Since 1988, polio vaccine has prevented more than 10 million cases of paralysis. Since 1988, more than 500,000 deaths from polio have been prevented. The economic benefits of polio eradication are $40-50 billion through the year 2035 – over 80% of these savings will be in developing countries."

Measles
Prognosis. Most people survive measles, though in some cases, complications may occur. About 1 in 4 individuals will be hospitalized and 1–2 in 1000 will die. Complications are more likely in children under age 5 and adults over age 20.
Rubella
During the last major rubella epidemic in the United States from 1964 to 1965, an estimated 12.5 million people got rubella, 11,000 pregnant women lost their babies, 2,100 newborns died, and 20,000 babies were born with congenital rubella syndrome (CRS).
Pertussis(whooping cough)
Clinicians generally treat pertussis with antibiotics, which are used to control symptoms and to prevent infected people from spreading the disease. Worldwide, there are an estimated 24.1 million cases of pertussis and about 160,700 deaths per year, according to a recent publication modeling these data.
Risk Factors: Infant
 
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HAL9000

Honorable
Well, Boris has thrown in the towel.

On the 19th most of out restrictions will be lifted.

You can still wear a mask if you wish to (I will in supermarkets etc for a while) but it won't be compulsory.

I think his thinking is simply this.

If the idiots wont wear masks , a simple but effective protection, and will insist in gathering in large groups against all advice, then let them get on with it.
By the 19 July most of the people in the high risk groups will have had at least the first shot, and most the second.
The huge majority of people dying from this virus are people who did nor get inoculated. Same for the seriously ill.

So It seems Boris has decided to let nature take care of the situation; he (and we in the UK) have done what we can.

We are expecting between 100 and 200 deaths per week in the worst case. Over 100 thousand hospitalisations per week.

I say all this with a heavy heart. My daughter and her family, one of who has a pregnant wife, are all positive.

She wouldn't get the shot. Was listening to scare mongering from the people at work (also deniers).

So I can only hope she pulls through. At the moment (a week into it) she doesn't seem too bad.
 

nivek

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You asked a question...did you not want or expect a reply..?
o_O

Yes, that's not what I was referring to though, but no worries, it seems to be normal with most people...

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