nivek
As Above So Below
I don't think this is a good idea, we don't know how a vaccine that was designed for humans will work in various species of animals...Worse case perhaps this interaction could give the virus a way to mutate in animals and become immune to our vaccines...
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August
Metanoia
I agree with that.
nivek
As Above So Below
Why would they stop doing this, makes no logical sense...Maybe they're trying to cover up the fact that vaccinated people are still getting sick and dying from Covid, even if to a lesser degree...
The CDC stopped tracking most COVID-19 cases in vaccinated people. That makes it hard to know how dangerous Delta really is.
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The CDC stopped tracking most COVID-19 cases in vaccinated people. That makes it hard to know how dangerous Delta really is.
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AD1184
Celestial
It said in the article that they are using a vaccine formulated for animals.
nivek
As Above So Below
Thanks, I was confusing that article with another one I read earlier on animal trials...
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AD1184
Celestial
It's interesting what is going on in Britain at the moment:
We have seen a rapid rise in new cases of the Indian variant, but new deaths are holding steady. I would expect that the number of people dying within 28 days of a positive test would go up, even for no other reason than that it is more likely now that people dying would have had SARS-CoV-2 recently due to its prevalence in the community, and even if it was not a cause of those deaths. It suggests that people dying (from all causes) either tend to have strong immunity, or are being effectively shielded in their last days from the virus.
The government has announced that it is not going to maintain the remaining Covid restrictions after the 19th of July, in spite of the growth of new cases. It looks like the government is trading international freedom for greater local freedom for Britons. One of the hardest hit sectors is the travel industry. Will there be many places for Britons to travel with the Indian variant raging locally? Will people travel here, with the prospect of quarantine on their return to their country of origin?
The political opposition is annoyed that the restrictions are being lifted. What is ironic is that the dove-ish health secretary, Matt Hancock, resigned a week ago under pressure from them over his extramarital affair being exposed and evidencing a breech of his own Covid regulations, after the prime minister initially indicated that he would be allowed to keep his job. They insisted on getting rid of one, so they can't complain that his replacement has a different approach.
We have seen a rapid rise in new cases of the Indian variant, but new deaths are holding steady. I would expect that the number of people dying within 28 days of a positive test would go up, even for no other reason than that it is more likely now that people dying would have had SARS-CoV-2 recently due to its prevalence in the community, and even if it was not a cause of those deaths. It suggests that people dying (from all causes) either tend to have strong immunity, or are being effectively shielded in their last days from the virus.
The government has announced that it is not going to maintain the remaining Covid restrictions after the 19th of July, in spite of the growth of new cases. It looks like the government is trading international freedom for greater local freedom for Britons. One of the hardest hit sectors is the travel industry. Will there be many places for Britons to travel with the Indian variant raging locally? Will people travel here, with the prospect of quarantine on their return to their country of origin?
The political opposition is annoyed that the restrictions are being lifted. What is ironic is that the dove-ish health secretary, Matt Hancock, resigned a week ago under pressure from them over his extramarital affair being exposed and evidencing a breech of his own Covid regulations, after the prime minister initially indicated that he would be allowed to keep his job. They insisted on getting rid of one, so they can't complain that his replacement has a different approach.
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nivek
As Above So Below
Is it possible Covid has already hit most of the UK population that have preexisting conditions or weakened immune systems for one reason or another and the people being infected now have more robust immune systems and are healthier overall?...
In other words, perhaps Covid has ravaged through the weakest of your population and all that's left now are the healthier people who are fighting off the infection better than those early on...
Sounds like a logical trade-off, wouldn't British folk prefer to have their country open and back to normal with freedom of movement first and foremost?...I know I would...
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AD1184
Celestial
I wouldn't think so, no. As long as there are healthy people susceptible, then there must surely also be vulnerable people susceptible as well. Unless all the vulnerable population was placed in such a predicament to catch it ahead of those more resilient, which I don't think is the case. The vaccines are having an effect, but then there don't seem to be an increase in the numbers of 'breakthrough' infections resulting in death, either.
I would prefer it. However, a lot of people complaining about the restrictions also complain about their inability to travel abroad, because it is an inconvenience to them, and also because it is devastating the travel industry. If the government removes local restrictions, then that is going to make foreign countries less willing to take British travellers without quarantine. So it seems that you can have more local freedom at the expense of international travel.
nivek
As Above So Below
The way I was looking at it is, let's say you have 50,000 people in a football stadium with a virus exposure spreading through them all...The virus would hit the weakest ones first, raising alarm bells and the healthier ones go into lockdown before they took are hit with infection...
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nivek
As Above So Below
Well sorry if I'm not sympathetic towards those crying in their milk because they can't travel out of the country on holiday but the whole world has been inconvenienced by Covid and many are dead because of it, they will get over it...
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nivek
As Above So Below
The thing is, the early forms of Covid went after the older people and those with preexisting conditions mainly, now it's been the various mutations that have targeted more younger and healthier people because the later mutations have become more robust, more infectious than before...
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nivek
As Above So Below
I'm glad our country has opened back up resembling normality again, however it comes at a price since less than 50 percent of the population in the US are fully vaccinated...I still wear a mask in most places I go to in public, not 100 percent masking wearing but I do wear it in larger crowd settings like the grocery store but not when I'm at a service station store getting gasoline...
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AD1184
Celestial
The trouble is that there are still plenty of older and more vulnerable people left. The first waves did not kill, or even infect, them all. Instead they infected a segment of each of the vulnerable and healthy populations somewhat randomly. The healthy population was not immune to infection, but was more resilient to serious illness and death.
nivek
As Above So Below
They say the Moderna vaccine is the best one against the Delta variant, I've been vaccinated with Johnson&Johnson and recently I posted in the other Covid thread that the Pfizer vaccine is about 64 percent effective against Delta which is surprising to me since Moderna and Pfizer are similar...I'm not sure the percentage of effectiveness is for the Moderna or the J&J...
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nivek
As Above So Below
I think they will take the most precautions when going out after the country reopens fully...The healthier people will be out and doing everything fully again first...
My mother is 86, very healthy and vaccinated, she is still not going out like she used to even though our country has reopened...She's still staying at home as if there was still a lockdown and taking all the necessary precautions...I can't blame her at her age...
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nivek
As Above So Below
Actually that 67 percent of people vaccinated in this article includes those who have only one shot of two...The percentage of fully vaccinated Americans stands at about 47-48 percent for those 16yo and older...
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Getting vaccinated is 'the most patriotic thing you can do,' Biden said, as the US missed its goal to inoculate 70% of adults by July 4
Speaking on the White House South Lawn on Sunday, Biden said America was "coming back together" after "emerging from the darkness of a year of pandemic and isolation."
But he still urged caution, saying: "Today we're closer than ever to declaring our independence from a deadly virus. That's not to say the battle against COVID-19 is over. We've got a lot more work to do."
His speech came as the US missed its target of giving at least one vaccine dose to 70% of eligible US adults of July 4. The most recent numbers from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which came on Friday, put that figure at 67%.
The missed deadline comes as the US is experiencing a growing number of COVID-19 cases caused by the Delta variant, a more infectious strain of the coronavirus that has recently spread across the UK and India.
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Getting vaccinated is 'the most patriotic thing you can do,' Biden said, as the US missed its goal to inoculate 70% of adults by July 4
Speaking on the White House South Lawn on Sunday, Biden said America was "coming back together" after "emerging from the darkness of a year of pandemic and isolation."
But he still urged caution, saying: "Today we're closer than ever to declaring our independence from a deadly virus. That's not to say the battle against COVID-19 is over. We've got a lot more work to do."
His speech came as the US missed its target of giving at least one vaccine dose to 70% of eligible US adults of July 4. The most recent numbers from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which came on Friday, put that figure at 67%.
The missed deadline comes as the US is experiencing a growing number of COVID-19 cases caused by the Delta variant, a more infectious strain of the coronavirus that has recently spread across the UK and India.
(More on the link)
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nivek
As Above So Below
Its unbelievable people would do this, especially during a pandemic...
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Thousands get fake COVID vaccine shots in alleged scam in India
Indian authorities have arrested 14 people and cordoned off a private hospital as they investigate an alleged vaccination scam that purportedly saw thousands of people given shots of saline solution when they thought they were getting coronavirus vaccines. At least 2,000 people in the Indian financial capital of Mumbai and 500 in the eastern state of Bengal may have fallen prey to the elaborate scam, authorities said.
The alleged scammers are suspected of holding at least 12 private mass-vaccination sessions in May and June. They did not keep regional health authorities in the loop as they launched the vaccination camps. They're accused of filling used, empty bottles of real vaccine with the saline solution and administering the shots to anyone who showed up at the events.
Police first registered a case last month after some people who had been given the shots grew suspicious when they didn't see their vaccination certificates appear on the government's online portal, CoWin. Their suspicion grew when none of the people who attended the vaccination events reported any of the usual post-vaccination side effects.
The police have arrested 14 people, including some doctors, on fraud, criminal conspiracy and other charges. They also sealed the Shivam Hospital in Mumbai and arrested its owners, Doctor Shivraj Pataria and his wife Neeta Pataria, for their alleged role in the vaccination scam.
The hospital was an authorized COVID-19 vaccination center, but it didn't have permission to hold the mass-vaccination camps, which were staged in residential areas. They're suspected of refilling used vaccine vials from the hospital, which should have been destroyed.
"Many [of the] accused have confessed that they used saline water," Vishwas Nangre Patil, Mumbai's joint commissioner of police, told news outlets last week. He explained that more people could be arrested as the investigation was still underway.
(More on the link)
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Thousands get fake COVID vaccine shots in alleged scam in India
Indian authorities have arrested 14 people and cordoned off a private hospital as they investigate an alleged vaccination scam that purportedly saw thousands of people given shots of saline solution when they thought they were getting coronavirus vaccines. At least 2,000 people in the Indian financial capital of Mumbai and 500 in the eastern state of Bengal may have fallen prey to the elaborate scam, authorities said.
The alleged scammers are suspected of holding at least 12 private mass-vaccination sessions in May and June. They did not keep regional health authorities in the loop as they launched the vaccination camps. They're accused of filling used, empty bottles of real vaccine with the saline solution and administering the shots to anyone who showed up at the events.
Police first registered a case last month after some people who had been given the shots grew suspicious when they didn't see their vaccination certificates appear on the government's online portal, CoWin. Their suspicion grew when none of the people who attended the vaccination events reported any of the usual post-vaccination side effects.
The police have arrested 14 people, including some doctors, on fraud, criminal conspiracy and other charges. They also sealed the Shivam Hospital in Mumbai and arrested its owners, Doctor Shivraj Pataria and his wife Neeta Pataria, for their alleged role in the vaccination scam.
The hospital was an authorized COVID-19 vaccination center, but it didn't have permission to hold the mass-vaccination camps, which were staged in residential areas. They're suspected of refilling used vaccine vials from the hospital, which should have been destroyed.
"Many [of the] accused have confessed that they used saline water," Vishwas Nangre Patil, Mumbai's joint commissioner of police, told news outlets last week. He explained that more people could be arrested as the investigation was still underway.
(More on the link)
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August
Metanoia
People here are soon to be vaccinated in their workplaces.
How refusing the vaccine could get you fired
How refusing the vaccine could get you fired