Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
More birds ?
Air craft and searchlights.
Air craft and searchlights.
nivek
As Above So Below
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Shining on an unknown object...
In your opinion.
nivek
As Above So Below
1963
Noble
You are quite right about the commonly used photograph being the 'retouched' version HL.
Here is the original photo of the event...
... and this is the retouched version that headlined the event on the front page of 'The Los Angeles Times' the morning after, and has been used ever since....
... In my humble opinion there's really not much difference between the two. True the bottom one [retouched] has been slightly altered to highlight what the reporter [and everyone else at the time] thought was the enemy craft, or UFO in the middle of the cross-lights. And to be quite honest with you, I can't really say that I actually believe for sure that there is indeed a UFO being obscured by the searchlights?.... but if i'm pressed, I would say that owing to the undeniable fact that surrounding this popular aspect of unusual events of 'that quite frankly weird night' there was a very real [and classic] UFO event that preceded the draconian measures taken by the US defence , and for this reason only, I suspect that there 'probably was something there' at some time during the bombardment.
... And if not, then I can only express my deepest sympathies to the five victims that actually lost their lives because of the jittery war nerves caused mainly by the recent events of Pearl Harbour [two months previously] and the even more recent event of the Japanese U-boat's Bombardment of Ellwood Santa Barbara the day before, that quite possibly facilitated this event .
But whether or not there is an actual object in the photograph... i'm convinced that the available data on the events that lead up to the blackout and bombardment suggest a real UFO event.
...Here can be seen the original video of the famous event....
... so for me personally ... this is no where near the best photographic evidence of an UFO, ... but a good and fascinating real UFO event anyway. [of which there are many without photographic evidence]
Cheers.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
The war hysteria was at a fever pitch especially after the shelling and everyone was jittery. Remember gunners had shot down several navy aircraft from the USS Enterprise the night of December 7th.
Personally I don't see an object in the searchlight convergence as I see the beams passing through the object.
No doubt people saw something that night that they couldn't identify.......but that doesn't make it an ETV.
nivek
As Above So Below
Doesn't rule it out either, it could have been a ETV, we may never know for sure, but that's no reason to discount the possibility completely...
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
I'm not discounting anything......just haven't seen anything yet that indicates any ETs were involved.
August
Metanoia
You are quite right about the commonly used photograph being the 'retouched' version HL.
Here is the original photo of the event...
... and this is the retouched version that headlined the event on the front page of 'The Los Angeles Times' the morning after, and has been used ever since....
... In my humble opinion there's really not much difference between the two. True the bottom one [retouched] has been slightly altered to highlight what the reporter [and everyone else at the time] thought was the enemy craft, or UFO in the middle of the cross-lights. And to be quite honest with you, I can't really say that I actually believe for sure that there is indeed a UFO being obscured by the searchlights?.... but if i'm pressed, I would say that owing to the undeniable fact that surrounding this popular aspect of unusual events of 'that quite frankly weird night' there was a very real [and classic] UFO event that preceded the draconian measures taken by the US defence , and for this reason only, I suspect that there 'probably was something there' at some time during the bombardment.
... And if not, then I can only express my deepest sympathies to the five victims that actually lost their lives because of the jittery war nerves caused mainly by the recent events of Pearl Harbour [two months previously] and the even more recent event of the Japanese U-boat's Bombardment of Ellwood Santa Barbara the day before, that quite possibly facilitated this event .
But whether or not there is an actual object in the photograph... i'm convinced that the available data on the events that lead up to the blackout and bombardment suggest a real UFO event.
...Here can be seen the original video of the famous event....
... so for me personally ... this is no where near the best photographic evidence of an UFO, ... but a good and fascinating real UFO event anyway. [of which there are many without photographic evidence]
Cheers.
Fabulous 1963 .
1963
Noble
Hi Castle, hope you are well old friend.
Of course you are quite right CY, ... but as you concede that "people saw something" in the sky that night, would you mind giving us the your thoughts on what that "something" was? if not an ETV.
... Do you think it might have been a plane? ... or a meteorological balloon, as is quoted by the USAF since 1983? ... if so then why do you suppose that 1400 12.8 pound anti-aircraft shells couldn't down, or even burst it?
... or was it something else that I can't think of?
...example of a couple of witness statements...
...and this is an excerpt from C Scot Littleton's memoirs ... 'Eyewitness to history'....
THE BATTLE OF LOS ANGELES: The Radar Dilemma
... it's true that I am a strong proponent of the ETH, and believe that this is one of those cases that strongly point toward that reality,... but as with most cases I cannot be 100% sure that this was an example of an extraterrestrial visitation, but I believe that the available testimony and recorded events make that scenario a lot more viable than any prosaic explanation put forward so far mate.
Cheers Buddy.
1963
Noble
By the way, although [as I said before] I do not discount the notion that the disc on the photograph and video could have been freakishly produced by the smoke and crossbeams of the search lights... I have yet to see another example of this phenomenon... in fact, I seem to remember an episode on one of those [prove the mythos] t.v shows a couple of years ago, in which they failed to recreate the 'disc-effect' as seen in 1942....
... and in view of Bruce Maccabee's detailed analysis of the pictures in which after his professional investigation and meticulous calculations he summarises ...
Cheers Buddy.
... and in view of Bruce Maccabee's detailed analysis of the pictures in which after his professional investigation and meticulous calculations he summarises ...
... you can guess that my belief that my thread of belief in the possibility that the effect of there being an actual UFO in the centre of those light beams is because of 'light and smoke'... is pretty tenuous indeed matey.
Cheers Buddy.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
By the way, although [as I said before] I do not discount the notion that the disc on the photograph and video could have been freakishly produced by the smoke and crossbeams of the search lights... I have yet to see another example of this phenomenon... in fact, I seem to remember an episode on one of those [prove the mythos] t.v shows a couple of years ago, in which they failed to recreate the 'disc-effect' as seen in 1942....
... and in view of Bruce Maccabee's detailed analysis of the pictures in which after his professional investigation and meticulous calculations he summarises ...
... you can guess that my belief that my thread of belief in the possibility that the effect of there being an actual UFO in the centre of those light beams is because of 'light and smoke'... is pretty tenuous indeed matey.
Cheers Buddy.
The first picture here is the closest to the famous picture above Culver City. I can see the beams continuing beyond the convergence in three of the eight. The lower picture is actually anti-aircraft fire from fixed positions at a high rate of fire. The tracer rounds seen are actually one every 5th bullet. That picture alone probably contains 1400 rounds.
I saw the show as well......it was called "fact or faked". However, there were a few major differences in their "reproduction" in that they used different search lights over a much smaller area and were using much higher resolution images. They also had a perfectly clear sky.
The famous image is hardly high resolution and I don't know if you've ever been flying around LA in anyway more than 30 years ago. At that time over 30 years ago I saw a low thin level of smog at approximately 5,000 feet which could disperse the convergence if it were to be at the exact level. If you have ever seen searchlights around a car dealership on a low cloud layer and how they bend when they hit it.....I can see that in the famous image.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
You are quite right about the commonly used photograph being the 'retouched' version HL.
Here is the original photo of the event...
... and this is the retouched version that headlined the event on the front page of 'The Los Angeles Times' the morning after, and has been used ever since....
... In my humble opinion there's really not much difference between the two. True the bottom one [retouched] has been slightly altered to highlight what the reporter [and everyone else at the time] thought was the enemy craft, or UFO in the middle of the cross-lights. And to be quite honest with you, I can't really say that I actually believe for sure that there is indeed a UFO being obscured by the searchlights?.... but if i'm pressed, I would say that owing to the undeniable fact that surrounding this popular aspect of unusual events of 'that quite frankly weird night' there was a very real [and classic] UFO event that preceded the draconian measures taken by the US defence , and for this reason only, I suspect that there 'probably was something there' at some time during the bombardment.
... And if not, then I can only express my deepest sympathies to the five victims that actually lost their lives because of the jittery war nerves caused mainly by the recent events of Pearl Harbour [two months previously] and the even more recent event of the Japanese U-boat's Bombardment of Ellwood Santa Barbara the day before, that quite possibly facilitated this event .
But whether or not there is an actual object in the photograph... i'm convinced that the available data on the events that lead up to the blackout and bombardment suggest a real UFO event.
...Here can be seen the original video of the famous event....
... so for me personally ... this is no where near the best photographic evidence of an UFO, ... but a good and fascinating real UFO event anyway. [of which there are many without photographic evidence]
Cheers.
of course i believe in the event, but not in the photo, frankly i think it shows nothing
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Hi Castle, hope you are well old friend.
Of course you are quite right CY, ... but as you concede that "people saw something" in the sky that night, would you mind giving us the your thoughts on what that "something" was? if not an ETV.
... Do you think it might have been a plane? ... or a meteorological balloon, as is quoted by the USAF since 1983? ... if so then why do you suppose that 1400 12.8 pound anti-aircraft shells couldn't down, or even burst it?
... or was it something else that I can't think of?
... it's true that I am a strong proponent of the ETH, and believe that this is one of those cases that strongly point toward that reality,... but as with most cases I cannot be 100% sure that this was an example of an extraterrestrial visitation, but I believe that the available testimony and recorded events make that scenario a lot more viable than any prosaic explanation put forward so far mate.
I'm well enough thanks....
.In this case weather balloons were released.....and supposedly a barrage balloon got lose from its moorings as well.
In this case do to the war hysteria they could also see things that weren't there as some saw formations of bombers. The altitudes and speeds varied greatly as did the numbers of the aircraft spotted. Some of the objects were allegedly 9,000 feet up and moving at least 50mph. Since its windier at 9,000 feet its possible a barrage balloon which is rather large could easily confuse people moving at that speed.
Also a majority of the rounds fired were 37mm from numerous gun emplacements and the lesser amount are the 3.9'' rounds you mentioned. The 3.9'' guns could fire at 12 rounds per minute and the 37mm cannons fired 60 rounds per minute. So considering the 1440 rounds fired in 58 minutes is actually a low rate of fire compared to your image from your other post.
Later in the war with improved weapons, radar targeting and the proximity fuse it took an average of 1,000 rounds to down each enemy aircraft......and that was with combat trained crews. In February 1942 the gun crews were inexperienced using outdated weapons no radar targeting or proximity fuses its not surprising to me they likely missed.
But then think about it......do you think you could hit a duck flying at 50 or 60 mph with a single shot rifle?
Or would you do better with a shot gun?
I believe that there are intelligent races of ETs living beyond our solar system......I just think war nerves are more likely in this case. Remember this was before the "flying saucers" craze of 1947 and all of the interviews of people I saw were after 1947......some even 60 years later.
Have you found any taped witness accounts from before 1947?
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
nivek
As Above So Below
That looks like one of the old "hubcap" type from the 1960s.....
Too thick for a hubcap I think, but I really do not know anything about this image, I can across it in a database archive and what I posted is all I have on it...
Maybe @1963 or @humanoidlord or someone else has some information on it...
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
I don't put much credibility in "sightings" with such little info.
nivek
As Above So Below
Well I don't think its that, I think information connected to the image could be misplaced or disconnected from the image for whatever reason, who knows, it might be something or it might be nothing...
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Maybe......but this is a good example for "Occum's Razor".