3FEL9
Islander
Let me just say.. If a 'scientist' cant explain the physical phenomena or the valid reason to why they cant explain it...
Its 100 % fake
Mumbo Jumbo = Pure disinformation
Let me just say.. If a 'scientist' cant explain the physical phenomena or the valid reason to why they cant explain it...
Its 100 % fake
Mumbo Jumbo = Pure disinformation
nivek
As Above So Below
I think you misunderstood what he was trying to say...A scientist can explain it in scientific technical terms or engineering terms but not for the average Joe to clearly understand unless the average Joe gets some more schooling...lol
3FEL9
Islander
Average Joe has a highschool degree. I'm saying that if a scientist cant explain whats going on to Average Joe's kids who still are in elementary school, something is clearly not right..
Anyone remembers that french guy,,, What was his alias ? He claimed to understand it all but failed to explain anything to us
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nivek
As Above So Below
Elementary school children can clearly understand quantum physics?...
3FEL9
Islander
I think they could... If we cut down on the mumbo jumbo
nivek
As Above So Below
nivek
As Above So Below
Here or on AH?...
3FEL9
Islander
Both places... He is intelligent but prefers to speak only the Mumbo Jumbo lingo
Gambeir
Celestial
Well at least you read what I wrote.
Uh huh...sounds good but is of course wrong since I seriously doubt that, if asked, 90% of the population could explain how a gasoline carburetor works. The best way is to show how things work is by using demonstrations.
With UFO's the first issue is understanding them enough that it's then possible to discern there are different kinds using different propulsion methods. So in the public realm we are in this stage of understanding.
Most UFO's have been lumped together as all the same and that is probably unlikely. They have, and must have, certain common features involving physics, just as all forms of flying machines have certain common features, but there too explain how a balloon is like an airplane. They both fly obviously but hardly look the same.
Uh huh...sounds good but is of course wrong since I seriously doubt that, if asked, 90% of the population could explain how a gasoline carburetor works. The best way is to show how things work is by using demonstrations.
With UFO's the first issue is understanding them enough that it's then possible to discern there are different kinds using different propulsion methods. So in the public realm we are in this stage of understanding.
Most UFO's have been lumped together as all the same and that is probably unlikely. They have, and must have, certain common features involving physics, just as all forms of flying machines have certain common features, but there too explain how a balloon is like an airplane. They both fly obviously but hardly look the same.
3FEL9
Islander
Agree. The UFOs should appear more often and choose low level flight routes over populated areas. That would help ...
Area201
cold fusion
@Mathias Båge
I don't know about the "Repulsin" machine, but I am familiar with a type of homopolar theoretical device I read about - similar to Searl's yet, not quite. Here's a screenshot of presentation on UFO secrecy in 2013. Searl has way more than 12 magnets on the outside perimeter. The UFO allegedly using this was in a shape of central and southern American step pyramids. It was seen in the 1960s by the author.
"In one of the most significant scientific presentations to members of elected government, Norman Paulsen's book, Return of the Ancients, is referenced for the "Mu Disc" free energy system as an inspiration for the "homopolar generator" and Searl Disc."
He records accounts of seeing UFOs in the Giant Rock area around the time when Van Tessel was creating the first UFO Conferences. Here is the one photo a police officer took and showed.
Similar to what @Gambeir touched about here regarding cloaking technlogy or to the effect when attracting vapor to make appear cloud-like.
Other times he'd see spherical orbs moving in formations, 3 or 8 at a time.
Finally, he developed "one half of the ships power and drive systems" with a type of over unity device, which might be a type of starter for the other "mu disc" anti-matter/power generator. This was written in 1980 originally at height of the Cold War, so there are references for using such technology strictly for war purposes, and thus not published certain factors that would make it work "time is not right". It's both a standard "excuse" but at same time legitimate, given the circumstances, if it's the real deal.
The author, who I met in 2005 in his home in California, left his body a couple years later. Primarily focused on new age/revealing ancient knowledge and civilization, path towards divine illumination, not UFOs. But they are part of the universe closely connected with human civilization and thus should not be entirely ignored either.
One more thing, he describes being on one of these "colossal step pyramid ships" and he questioned if it was some vision or really happening in the 3D world. He concluded it happened in the 3D world.
Not sure if this helps the thread discussion but good to include as a reference.
I don't know about the "Repulsin" machine, but I am familiar with a type of homopolar theoretical device I read about - similar to Searl's yet, not quite. Here's a screenshot of presentation on UFO secrecy in 2013. Searl has way more than 12 magnets on the outside perimeter. The UFO allegedly using this was in a shape of central and southern American step pyramids. It was seen in the 1960s by the author.
"In one of the most significant scientific presentations to members of elected government, Norman Paulsen's book, Return of the Ancients, is referenced for the "Mu Disc" free energy system as an inspiration for the "homopolar generator" and Searl Disc."
He records accounts of seeing UFOs in the Giant Rock area around the time when Van Tessel was creating the first UFO Conferences. Here is the one photo a police officer took and showed.
Similar to what @Gambeir touched about here regarding cloaking technlogy or to the effect when attracting vapor to make appear cloud-like.
Other times he'd see spherical orbs moving in formations, 3 or 8 at a time.
Finally, he developed "one half of the ships power and drive systems" with a type of over unity device, which might be a type of starter for the other "mu disc" anti-matter/power generator. This was written in 1980 originally at height of the Cold War, so there are references for using such technology strictly for war purposes, and thus not published certain factors that would make it work "time is not right". It's both a standard "excuse" but at same time legitimate, given the circumstances, if it's the real deal.
The author, who I met in 2005 in his home in California, left his body a couple years later. Primarily focused on new age/revealing ancient knowledge and civilization, path towards divine illumination, not UFOs. But they are part of the universe closely connected with human civilization and thus should not be entirely ignored either.
One more thing, he describes being on one of these "colossal step pyramid ships" and he questioned if it was some vision or really happening in the 3D world. He concluded it happened in the 3D world.
Not sure if this helps the thread discussion but good to include as a reference.
CasualBystander
Celestial
Well...
Science is engineering done backwards.
Engineers understand principles and use them to build things.
Scientists observe things and write up principles to explain them.
It doesn't mean the principles are right, they are just a "best guess".
The Shawyer EMDrive is an example of the problem. Under the popular "Copenhagen" quantum interpretation it isn't possible.
If constructed devices perform in ways that defy the standard model or mainstream quantum theory, it should be obvious that the standard model or quantum theory is either being misapplied, misunderstood, or is flawed in some way.
The fact that we don't have a single theory of everything indicates that the scientific understanding of reality is incomplete and somewhat inaccurate.
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Area201
cold fusion
Some other insights from the divine celestial ships. This does not match the type @Gambeir describes (ARV or Flux Liner) but can serve as a reference to the discussion, as it accounts yet another type of space traversing UFO. Conversation is telepathically from ship occupants (human form ETs).
"This vehicle is constructed of a nonferrous material superior in strength to the finest steel produced on your planet. There are no ferrous metals used on or in this vessel."
"As I told you, we can attain light speed while hovering. This is accomplished by increasing the velocity of rotation within our propulsion drive units. As the drive units accelerate, we begin to traverse the radiant energy spectrum, moving from the infrared to ultraviolet. The entire mass of this vehicle is converted back into radiant life-energy particles as it traverses the spectrum. An outside observer on the physical plane sees the ship's image change color from bright red through orange and into gold; then bright green, followed by blue and violet. At this point we vanish from your so-called third dimension in a flash of light as brilliant as any sun."
"In their divine celestial mus (ships of light) The Builders became the guardians of the galaxies, caring for the evolution of all life-forms and cherishing their own physical forms which had long been in evolving and difficult to obtain. In their genetic laboratories aboard their mus, they (the "Builders") achieved a type of physical immortality of a kind, replacing and renewing their physical forms as necessary. Time was a factor that no longer represented an obstacle to them."
"This vehicle is constructed of a nonferrous material superior in strength to the finest steel produced on your planet. There are no ferrous metals used on or in this vessel."
"As I told you, we can attain light speed while hovering. This is accomplished by increasing the velocity of rotation within our propulsion drive units. As the drive units accelerate, we begin to traverse the radiant energy spectrum, moving from the infrared to ultraviolet. The entire mass of this vehicle is converted back into radiant life-energy particles as it traverses the spectrum. An outside observer on the physical plane sees the ship's image change color from bright red through orange and into gold; then bright green, followed by blue and violet. At this point we vanish from your so-called third dimension in a flash of light as brilliant as any sun."
"In their divine celestial mus (ships of light) The Builders became the guardians of the galaxies, caring for the evolution of all life-forms and cherishing their own physical forms which had long been in evolving and difficult to obtain. In their genetic laboratories aboard their mus, they (the "Builders") achieved a type of physical immortality of a kind, replacing and renewing their physical forms as necessary. Time was a factor that no longer represented an obstacle to them."
3FEL9
Islander
If you were a scientist ,, I would sure listen to what you had to say
I might listen a little bit anyways,lol
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Area201
cold fusion
This sounds so shill it gives me chills. Anyone studying the ARV or UFOs is aware of this bogus program aimed at confusing the public on the real deal.
nivek
As Above So Below
I don't know enough about it, just came across those pages last week...
Mathias Båge
Adept
I'm preparing material that I will post in a few days.
/Mathias Båge
/Mathias Båge
Area201
cold fusion
My short list of UFO designs I've become aware of in researching the subject.
Man-made
ARV/Flux Liner/Nazi Bell - man-made/unconventional technology. @Gambeir provides much insight and detail to it's theoretical design and function in this thread. Quartz-crystal materials and multi-rotating center column in opposing directions.
TR-3A/B Triangular Craft - man-made. Allegedly a mercury type plasma spinning within a toroidal/torus shaped container.
OTC-X1 - man-made. Tesla inspired saucer shaped. Either confiscated by MIB/or Otis T. Carr got cold feet when his scam was about to be exposed. Piloting involves consciousness interface with some type of crystal - according to a technician who claims to have worked with Carr.
Project 1794 saucer shaped hovercraft- man-made/fan air-propulsion. According to Dark Journalist this name is a play on "1947" or year of the Roswell event. This was a project to create a conventional technology but saucer looking craft as a way to make public think these possibly were the "flying saucers" seen. These hover-craft barely left the ground and performed nothing like "ufos" seen by public, similar only in shape. If Flying Saucers Aren't Real, Why Did the Military Frantically Try to Build One
Extraterrestrial origin
Classic flying saucer/Sport Model - Theorized by ufologists as Tall Grey ET scout ship with small android greys as pilots. Allegedly worked on by Bob Lazar (at least) using a stable form of Element 115. Matter-Anti-Matter annihilation and gravity magnification to warp space/time around vehicle and space travel. Could not be reverse engineered - too advanced. As these AI-designed android greys don't possess souls/are not organic beings, the UFO secrecy holders managing the subject leak the dis-info idea of them being "demons", with staged alien abductions targeting real abductees in order to reverse engineer them for (implants and any intel on aliens) - according to some researchers.
Symbiotic Alien UFOs - nuclear fusion containment engine powered. Large in size engine, indicating possibly a mothership or main ship. Semi-biological and consciousness interfaced as described by David "Rocketman" Adair, and recently supported by insider Emory Smith's work on biological specimens. For the latter, the only explanation I can think how he was exposed to so many various specimens - was because they were mostly man-made genetically engineered in labs. That and combination with a brought down/shot down or acquired mothership that already had collection of many types of aliens/ETs on board. This would have been a massive haul for compartmentalized black project extraterrestrial specimen study within deep underground military bases. They recruited Adair to help reverse engineer the nuclear fusion container part, but when he asked where the beings who flew this ship were, they got angry.
Divine Celestial mus (ships of light) - Powered by a "Mu disc" monopolar system with 12 magnets on each disc and an over-unity power unit. Step-pyramid design. Piloted by human form ETs who originally seeded Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago, according to witnesses such as Norman Paulsen. According to him the real "Guardians of the Galaxy", not a movie.
"..we can attain light speed while hovering. This is accomplished by increasing the velocity of rotation within our propulsion drive units. As the drive units accelerate, we begin to traverse the radiant energy spectrum, moving from the infrared to ultraviolet. The entire mass of this vehicle is converted back into radiant life-energy particles as it traverses the spectrum. An outside observer on the physical plane sees the ship's image change color from bright red through orange and into gold; then bright green, followed by blue and violet. At this point we vanish from your so-called third dimension in a flash of light as brilliant as any sun."
Orbs - disembodied spirits that collapse into energy points in order to traverse multi-universes - guessing. These can be categorized as "trans-dimensional" or "inter-dimensional".
Man-made
ARV/Flux Liner/Nazi Bell - man-made/unconventional technology. @Gambeir provides much insight and detail to it's theoretical design and function in this thread. Quartz-crystal materials and multi-rotating center column in opposing directions.
TR-3A/B Triangular Craft - man-made. Allegedly a mercury type plasma spinning within a toroidal/torus shaped container.
OTC-X1 - man-made. Tesla inspired saucer shaped. Either confiscated by MIB/or Otis T. Carr got cold feet when his scam was about to be exposed. Piloting involves consciousness interface with some type of crystal - according to a technician who claims to have worked with Carr.
Project 1794 saucer shaped hovercraft- man-made/fan air-propulsion. According to Dark Journalist this name is a play on "1947" or year of the Roswell event. This was a project to create a conventional technology but saucer looking craft as a way to make public think these possibly were the "flying saucers" seen. These hover-craft barely left the ground and performed nothing like "ufos" seen by public, similar only in shape. If Flying Saucers Aren't Real, Why Did the Military Frantically Try to Build One
Extraterrestrial origin
Classic flying saucer/Sport Model - Theorized by ufologists as Tall Grey ET scout ship with small android greys as pilots. Allegedly worked on by Bob Lazar (at least) using a stable form of Element 115. Matter-Anti-Matter annihilation and gravity magnification to warp space/time around vehicle and space travel. Could not be reverse engineered - too advanced. As these AI-designed android greys don't possess souls/are not organic beings, the UFO secrecy holders managing the subject leak the dis-info idea of them being "demons", with staged alien abductions targeting real abductees in order to reverse engineer them for (implants and any intel on aliens) - according to some researchers.
Symbiotic Alien UFOs - nuclear fusion containment engine powered. Large in size engine, indicating possibly a mothership or main ship. Semi-biological and consciousness interfaced as described by David "Rocketman" Adair, and recently supported by insider Emory Smith's work on biological specimens. For the latter, the only explanation I can think how he was exposed to so many various specimens - was because they were mostly man-made genetically engineered in labs. That and combination with a brought down/shot down or acquired mothership that already had collection of many types of aliens/ETs on board. This would have been a massive haul for compartmentalized black project extraterrestrial specimen study within deep underground military bases. They recruited Adair to help reverse engineer the nuclear fusion container part, but when he asked where the beings who flew this ship were, they got angry.
Divine Celestial mus (ships of light) - Powered by a "Mu disc" monopolar system with 12 magnets on each disc and an over-unity power unit. Step-pyramid design. Piloted by human form ETs who originally seeded Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago, according to witnesses such as Norman Paulsen. According to him the real "Guardians of the Galaxy", not a movie.
"..we can attain light speed while hovering. This is accomplished by increasing the velocity of rotation within our propulsion drive units. As the drive units accelerate, we begin to traverse the radiant energy spectrum, moving from the infrared to ultraviolet. The entire mass of this vehicle is converted back into radiant life-energy particles as it traverses the spectrum. An outside observer on the physical plane sees the ship's image change color from bright red through orange and into gold; then bright green, followed by blue and violet. At this point we vanish from your so-called third dimension in a flash of light as brilliant as any sun."
Orbs - disembodied spirits that collapse into energy points in order to traverse multi-universes - guessing. These can be categorized as "trans-dimensional" or "inter-dimensional".
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nivek
As Above So Below
Area201
cold fusion
I think it's all three - 3D man-made, 3-D extraterrestrial and interdimensional.
It's not just a matrix - Valee is not wrong - but not "expansive" enough in scope. He needs to be more "alienexpanse" like.
I'm thinking the orbs category UFOs are the "trans-dimensional" or they can go in and out from a finer universe underlying this 3D physical one.
It's not just a matrix - Valee is not wrong - but not "expansive" enough in scope. He needs to be more "alienexpanse" like.
I'm thinking the orbs category UFOs are the "trans-dimensional" or they can go in and out from a finer universe underlying this 3D physical one.