Bright Insight - JFK Assassination

[baleeber]

I used to work with a woman whose husband was on the Dallas PD the day JFK was shot, and he wasn't involved in the investigation, but knew people who were.

She told me something I've never heard before OR since: that in the Texas School Book Depository, they found TWO rifles. They believe Oswald fired the first rifle, dropped it, had the second rifle already in position close by, picked it up, fired the second shot, chambered, and fired the third.

Again, this is third hand information, but I thought it was interesting.

 

[Toroid]

Where were these alleged shooters besides the school depository building?

Besides the grassy knoll I don't know.

 

[Castle-Yankee54]

Besides the grassy knoll I don't know.

The ballistics only match the Depository or possibly the building behind the depository across North Union Street.

88% of the people questioned heard only 3 shots. 39% of the people identified the depository building as where the shots came from versus 17% who said the grassy knoll. Only 4 out of approximately 200 identified 2 locations of firing. Abraham Zapruder who worked in the plaza couldn't tell because of the strange acoustics in the area.

Also the grassy knoll is not a location a sniper would select.....besides no shooters were observed there by the witness working behind the fence.

 

[nivek]

Former CIA director claims KGB gave orders in Kennedy assassination

 

[wwkirk]

Former CIA director claims KGB gave orders in Kennedy assassination

You never know whether to believe a spook. What he says might but true, but it might just be manufactured to sell books. It's not like the Soviets are going to sue him if it's a lie.

 

[pigfarmer]

Former CIA director claims KGB gave orders in Kennedy assassination

the 'like' is actually for Shannon Bream

 

[pigfarmer]

Talk is cheap, he's peddling a book and a story that doesn't need proof.

I never heard of a second rifle. I do know the cartridge cases spent some time jingling around in someone's pockets over a weekend - absolutely horrifying from our CSI 21st century p.o.v. but understandable given the era.

Oswald did it. As I have belabored in the past, go there and have a look for yourself. It ain't that big, the shot's easy and that grassy knoll doesn't look like much of a prospect for a sniper.

Unless you want to make hay of it and sell books, seats at lectures, etc.

I never had an Italian rifle but I'm sitting right next to a few Russian ones. I could do it easily with the Mosin Nagant M44 carbine and that thing kicks like a pissed off mule. Only slightly less dangerous standing behind it than in front of it. In fact, Oswald would have had an easier time of it with his carbine - the 6.5 isn't exactly a hot-rod load.


wall art

 

[Rick Hunter]

I agree. Just because the Carcano was a cheap milsurp doesn't mean it couldn't have been used for an assasination. Oswald was an ex-Marine and gun enthusiast, I can't imagine he would have used the rifle without being assured that it was accurate enough for his evil purpose.

Also, please tell me that is a live MP-40!

 

[pigfarmer]

please tell me that is a live MP-40

My wallet wishes it was ! Nope, just a cool looking wall hanger and so is the potato masher. A lot of that junk I've had since I was a kid. Those 91/30s and M44 are very real although I pull the bolts and lock them up. There is a very original German flare pistol tucked in there and a weird Italian practice mortar round. I got them with a K98 deal a few years ago - the man's dad brought a few things back from Europe. Got the US Army papers to go with them too. Collectible. Promised I'd keep them as a set.


I generally don't care for things with swastikas on them but they do pop up. This was too good a deal to pass on - the damned flare pistol is like new and I have no doubt it works just fine. If I ever need to start a forest fire I'm all set.

As for the milsurps, yes I do indeed chuckle when I read about Oswald and some of of the absurd claims. That Carcano was easily within its design spec that day. Been a while but I believe a standard 'battle sight' for a US service rifle was set at 300 yards - four times the distance in the assassination. Something along those lines would have been how the Marines taught that loon to shoot. I sit at a bench and plug away at a standard 6" or 8" bullseye at 100 yards with pretty good results. Old eyes, the old rifles are fine. Indoor range and it doesn't have the best lighting. A 6'4" man sitting upright at that distance in broad daylight, even moving, is like the size of a barn door by comparison.

 

[nivek]

Kennedy family divided: Six of RFK's eleven children say they are 'devastated' by decision to grant parole to their father's killer Sirhan Sirhan, 77, after brothers RFK Jr. and Douglas BACKED him



The Kennedy family is divided after a California panel recommended that Robert Kennedy's assassin, Sirhan Sirhan, 77, be granted parole after nearly five decades in prison. The Friday decision was followed by a statement signed by six of RFK's surviving children condemning the panel's decision. 'We are in disbelief that this man would be recommended for release,' the statement from the six siblings read. The siblings warn that they 'intend to challenge [the recommendation] every step of the way.' It was signed by Joseph P. Kennedy II, Courtney Kennedy, Kerry Kennedy, Christopher G. Kennedy, Maxwell T. Kennedy and Rory Kennedy. But two of RFK's children, Douglas Kennedy, 54, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., 67, have supported Sirhan's parole. Sirhan has attempted to be recommended for parole 15 times before Friday's recommendation. The decision will now move to Governor Gavin Newsom's desk.

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[pigfarmer]

JFK assassination documents: White House issues memo postponing disclosure, citing Covid - CNNPolitics

White House further postpones disclosure of JFK assassination documents, citing Covid

Updated 11:37 PM ET, Fri October 22, 2021

John F. Kennedy, 35th president of the US, and his wife Jackie Kennedy travelling in the presidential motorcade at Dallas, before his assassination.
(CNN)The White House announced late Friday that it would further postpone the release of more documents related to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, pointing to the "significant impact" of the Covid-19 pandemic.

President Joe Biden issued a memo that said the national archivist recommended he "'direct two public releases of the information that has ultimately 'been determined to be appropriate for release to the public.'" The first will be an "interim release" later this year, with a second, "more comprehensive release in late 2022," the memo said.
The memo said that the Covid-19 pandemic has slowed down the process of reviewing whether redactions continue to meet the "statutory standard."
Kennedy's assassination prompted a whirlwind of questions from the public and researchers, plenty of conspiracy theories and reflexive secrecy from the government.
Over the years, millions of documents have become public, offering researchers an opportunity to pore over not only records related to the Kennedy assassination, but also a variety of other topics, from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s life and slaying to pivotal moments in the Cold War.

In 2018, former President Donald Trump extended the deadline for the public release of the assassination files to 2021, citing "identifiable harm to national security, law enforcement, or foreign affairs." Trump's move came on the deadline he previously imposed in 2017 for the full release of the files -- barring national security and privacy concerns -- after the 25-year-in-the-making deadline imposed by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act, signed by President George H.W. Bush, came to pass.

Trump's 2018 memorandum accompanied a release of about 19,000 documents by the National Archives in compliance with the records law and Trump's order the previous year. Many of the documents released then contained redactions, and they joined the massive trove of assassination records that already have been made public.
The records' further release has been highly anticipated, with Biden's memo stating that they "shall be withheld from full public disclosure until December 15, 2022."
The national archivist also noted to the administration that "making these decisions is a matter that requires a professional, scholarly, and orderly process; not decisions or releases made in haste."

 

[pigfarmer]

Yeeeeeup, there's something in there alright.

 

[pigfarmer]

probably CIA involvement. what else ?

 

[nivek]

So what is the significant impact from Covid that has restricted the release of the documents?...

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[pigfarmer]

So what is the significant impact from Covid that has restricted the release of the documents?...

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who knows. hasn't stopped a lot of other foolishness.

Sirhan Sirhan has been in the news. Can't stop thinking of LHO saying he's a patsy. Idly wondering if we'll find out they really were helped along by taxpayer dollars. The former might really have been innocent, the latter was a whack job regardless - perfect candidate you'd think, they didn't even have to give him a weapon.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Won't release JFK files until Bush and Kissinger are long dead and then redacted. Useless.. but at least we can speak open about it.

Over 2 million views he got on this. Easily his most popular video.

Senile, saying crazy things that don't make sense, etc. That was too bad for him & I'm sure hard for his loved ones to watch. On the other hand, we have a current sitting POTUS that is senile & says crazy things that make no sense. I'd rather it happen to an ex-president then the sitting president.

 

[pigfarmer]

Hmmmm. Must be one of those 'thin spots' like Skinwalker Ranch

This from a couple weeks ago.

MSN

 

[pigfarmer]

Like meatloaf I think basic conspiracy has a standard recipe.

Take some calamitous event, realize that contemporary accounts of the event will have discrepancies, generally distrust or wholly ignore eyewitness statements (unless they agree with your theory) add in the human desire for attention and with it all sorts of genuine and fake witnesses, then add in all sorts of after-the-fact expert researchers and embellish their credentials with titles and so forth - then pop it in the oven at 350 for about an hour. Oh, and before serving fail to consider the most direct common sense explanation in favor of something based on a series of suppositions, instead garnish with captivating stories told by mysterious individuals with sketchy backgrounds.

Refine as needed. But I'm not talking about the JFK or RFK assassinations, or 9/11 or Pearl Harbor or Roswell or anything like that - although the basic recipe applies to all. In this case I have my nose in a book guaranteed to bore the socks off of most, but it did mention the sinking of the battleship Novorossiysk in 1955. I never even heard of the thing and just realized it has been the center of controversy and wild conspiracy theory for decades and decades. Put it in a foreign setting and make it a topic that doesn't generate much heat and the basic elements of the conspiracy theory framework are visible for all to see

Italian battleship Giulio Cesare

The battleship Novorossiysk in 1955 was blown up by combat swimmers of the Italian Navy?

 

[Rick Hunter]

I think Oswald assassinated Kennedy by himself. He had the weapons and ability to carry it out, and access to an ideal spot to fire from. Now, he may have had help or encouragement from others but the actual murder was carried out by Oswald alone.

 

[wwkirk]

I think Oswald assassinated Kennedy by himself. He had the weapons and ability to carry it out, and access to an ideal spot to fire from. Now, he may have had help or encouragement from others but the actual murder was carried out by Oswald alone.

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but why are some relevant documents still being withheld decades later? Foreknowledge of some within the government?