Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

There is not really one big US epidemic, but many. Just as there is not really one big global epidemic, and the disease takes a different course in each country. Currently the American figures are dominated by the New York epidemic. Just as earlier in the year, the figures for China and the world were dominated by the Wuhan epidemic. Any country-wide projection needs to consider the sum of disease trajectories in all US epidemics. Hopefully a near-universal lockdown causes many to die out before they go very far.
Sure - one would have to be omniscient in order to predict the spread of the outbreak: we'd have to know the actual numbers of every infected person in every city, town and village; the dynamics of propagation in every area, and the compliance of every man, woman, and child with the wide variety of federal, state, and local guidelines.

Barring that, all we have are the numbers which are readily available. Though incomplete and imperfect, a few sets of these numbers employ reasonably consistent reporting protocols - the official CDC numbers are in that category. They can give us a general overview of the trends of the virus at a national level. And there's a clear general downward trend in the rate of spread of the virus at the national scale even as the infection rages in areas like New York and New Orleans - so whereas those localized epidemics are driving the trailing indicator - the death rate, at the national scale our isolation and disinfection measures are dominating the leading indicator - the rate of increase in active cases.

So even as the horrific scale of hospitalizations and deaths is reaching a fever pitch in many of our urban areas - and will continue to escalate in the weeks ahead...we can also see that our voluntary isolation measures are slamming the brakes on the expansion rate of this outbreak, and if that trend continues then we could see the fruits of that success in the form of dropping hospitalizations and daily deaths by the latter half of this month.

We just have to make it through the next nightmarish 2-4 weeks; at that point we should be heading down the slope of the peak. It's too soon to know the angle of that slope, but it's possible that we'll be back into a manageable scale of hospitalizations sometime in May.

There aren't enough ventilators or hospital beds or medical staff to handle the the sheer scale of the ICU cases that we'll be seeing over the next few weeks though, because the US reacted far too late in the beginning of this when it would've made a huge difference. And we still haven't instituted the draconian federal lock-down that we needed to implement by March 1st. So by March 9th our fate was sealed - at that point it was too late to prevent a national calamity of historic proportions, and that's what we're only beginning to see right now.

So this whole six-foot distancing thing does nothing then?
It lowers the odds of getting infected. But I don't think it's nearly enough to fully protect people from transmission, because we've known for weeks that the virus can remain viable in microdroplets circulating in the air for up to three hours. Whether the viral load within a microdroplet that can circulate that long in the air is enough to start an infection remains unknown, but I wouldn't want to take any chances.

Not only are the people who get infected highly contagious for days before they detect symptoms - it seems that at least 25% of the people who become infected never experience any symptoms at all. But they're just as infectious as someone who's lying in a hospital bed with a raging fever.

So between the long incubation period (5.1-day mean average among a 2-14-day variation), the ease of transmission (inhaling a microscopic droplet from the air that most people produce just by speaking, and easy fomite transmission), and the 25+% of "covert carriers," this goddamn virus was perfectly suited to kick our asses all over the globe from day one. Any leader with a brain would've known this and acted accordingly when it would've mattered, but leaders with brains (and a sense of morality) are about as common as unicorns. So now it's entirely on us to stop this thing.
 

pepe

Celestial
Would be nice to know if these young fit folk that are passing is because of a big dose or the two strain theory.
 

pepe

Celestial
We got into coronavirus mess because China can't drop their habit of eating wild animals. But now it turns out that many special forces, during their training, practice eating wild animals. Here US Marines are literally drinking snake blood.

Considering the price we are paying now, it might be good idea to at least cook these snakes?

PETA Asks U.S. Marines to Stop Drinking Snake Blood During Training

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Reminds me of Alien porn. But nothing is normal these days.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
UK suffers record-breaking 563 coronavirus deaths and 4,324 cases in 24 hours - taking total number of victims to 2,352 with almost 30,000 Britons known to be infected

The UK has recorded another 563 coronavirus deaths today, overtaking yesterday's then record-breaking 381 new fatalities. The increase - a 48 per cent jump day-on-day - takes the country's total death toll to 2,352. Official figures show 29,474 people have now tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the life-threatening infection. The UK is the fifth hardest-hit nation in Europe. Pictured left, a paramedic is seen on the back of an ambulance at St Thomas' Hospital in London today. Pictured inset, a patient is wheeled out of an ambulance at the same hospital.

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
So there is a theory of two strains. I suppose that's a mutated strain. I would say that's awfully soon for a mutated strain to appear, However, This virus is very rapid.


They say fight fire with Fire, Can we not engineer a virus that attacks COVID-19?
 
Our news just said the virus has slowed down in Finland and isnt expanding as quickly as we anticipated. The countrywide closing seems to be helping.

Sweden on the other hand just reversed its strategy since their current one doesnt seem to be working that well. I think they will pay a much higher price for this.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Spain sees its highest number of deaths for second day in a row - 864 - as number of coronavirus cases tops 100,000

Spain's death toll from coronavirus has risen by a record amount for the second day in a row with total cases now over 100,000. The country registered 864 new deaths between Tuesday and Wednesday, bringing the total from 8,189 to 9,053. The previous largest increase was 849, which occurred in the previous 24 hours. The number of new infections rose by 7,719, jumping from 94,417 on Tuesday to 102,136 at the same time Wednesday.

Officials have said that the virus now appears to be reaching its peak in Spain, though pressure on hospitals will remain high in the coming days. A third of Spanish regions report their intensive care units are at or near capacity, meaning the crisis in hospitals is unlikely to ease until the end of this week or early next week. Madrid remains the worst-hit region, with 3,865 deaths and nearly 30,000 cases, leaving hospitals and mortuaries overwhelmed.

The news came as Europe's death toll from the virus topped 30,000, with more than 450,000 infections.

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nivek

As Above So Below
Our news just said the virus has slowed down in Finland and isnt expanding as quickly as we anticipated. The countrywide closing seems to be helping.

I read similar news in the UK and in the US but we wont see the results of that for weeks IMO, as long as the trend continues...

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pepe

Celestial
So there is a theory of two strains. I suppose that's a mutated strain. I would say that's awfully soon for a mutated strain to appear, However, This virus is very rapid.


They say fight fire with Fire, Can we not engineer a virus that attacks COVID-19?

I think our capabilities in designing or altering a virus or any organism to serve a purpose have been grossly over estimated via the www. I reckon, including myself, there is a lot of similar instances where folk have tended to believe because of the mystery and an illusion that we are further down the road than where we actually stand. I know we did something with a roach and a camera which brought forward possibilities of the army using them via remote control to search bombed buildings. Forward, backwards and left right impulses but i'm sure these things having huge teething problems that has rendered the process beyond us.
 

pepe

Celestial
Well it has to be one of the two scenarios that is taking young fit and well people. A randomness that begs a question. From the front line professionals who have perished I gathered it was during to massive exposurem but that picture isn't the same for some others.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Well it has to be one of the two scenarios that is taking young fit and well people. A randomness that begs a question. From the front line professionals who have perished I gathered it was during to massive exposurem but that picture isn't the same for some others.

I have also read that at least two people over the age of 100 survived Covid-19, one in the UK and one in Italy, so would that be from a minimal exposure that they were able to get well?...

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pepe

Celestial
I have also read that at least two people over the age of 100 survived Covid-19, one in the UK and one in Italy, so would that be from a minimal exposure that they were able to get well?...

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Probably a combination of woodbine cigarettes and olive oil.

Overweight men are at the most risk and it matches what I've seen in footage. Nothing really said about smoking as being as bigger disadvantage as I imagined. That says something to me.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Florida governor Ron DeSantis claims coronavirus first started circulating in Miami in early February during the Super Bowl as he finally issues statewide lockdown after state cases surge to 6,741

Florida governor Ron DeSantis issued a statewide lockdown Wednesday after revealing coronavirus first started circulating in Miami during the Super Bowl in early February. The Republican had so far refused the move despite cases of coronavirus in the Sunshine State surging to nearly 7,000, with 857 people hospitalized and 85 dead.

But under increasing pressure DeSantis announced Wednesday: 'I'm going to be doing an executive order today directing all Floridians to limit movements and personal interactions outside the home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or conduct essential activities.'

The order will go into effect Thursday at midnight and will last 30 days, he said.

The governor said officials cannot 'hamfist everyone into their bedroom' but urged people to act responsibly. He said he had consulted the White House of his decision. More than 30 others states had already issued such orders a week or more ago. He added: 'We're going to be in this for another 30 days. At this point, even though there's a lot of places in Florida that have very low infection rates, it makes sense to make this move now.'

Florida is on track to become the next coronavirus epicenter in the US as the number of cases continue to spike.


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nivek

As Above So Below
Louisiana records biggest one-day coronavirus spike after infections soar by 1,200 and deaths rise by 54 - as New Orleans emerges as next pandemic hotspot

Louisiana has seen a surge in new coronavirus cases over a 24 hour period with infections increasing by 1,200 and deaths rising by 54 - as New Orleans continues to become an emerging hotspot for the pandemic. Data shows the death toll in Louisiana rose to 239 with 54 new fatalities as of Tuesday. The number of infections went up by 1,200 to bring the total confirmed cases to 5,237. It is Louisiana's biggest one-day spike in both deaths and infections since the coronavirus started spreading rapidly.


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Good news from Finland, new cases curve is indeed flattening, even lessening. R0 number(the number of new people that a carrier potentially infects), when it was 1,6 a week ago is now said to be about 1 or below. I think the measures were taking are working, somewhat. Still too early to tell, but the experts say it might not get as bad as they feared in here. Theyve also increased testing.
 
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Good news from Finland, new cases curve is indeed flattening, even lessening. RO number(the number of new people that a carrier potentially infects), when it was 1,6 a week ago is now said to be about 1 or below. I think the measures were taking are working, somewhat. Still too early to tell, but the experts say it might not get as bad as they feared in here. Theyve also increased testing.
That's great to hear. The growth rate of active cases in the US has dropped enormously over the past week - on March 24th we had 12.89 cases for each official active case that we had 8 days earlier, but today we only have 4.21 cases for each case that we had 8 days ago, so in just 7 days we've crossed 75% of the distance to the peak when this thing finally turns around here. If this trend continues then we could reach the peak this weekend. But it'll probably taper off more slowly as we reach the break-even point. In any case it'll still be a huge relief to round the top of the peak; morale is really low here right now and we all need to see a clear sign that we're starting to win this thing before the daily death tolls spike in the coming 2-3 weeks.

I remember how effed up we all were after the 9/11 attacks - this nightmare is already dwarfing the impact of that. By the time this is over the entire country's going to have PTSD.
 

AD1184

Celestial
About the "R nought" number (written as R with a subscript zero) which is being bandied about in the press, R nought is the basic reproduction number, or initial transmission rate, of an infectious agent at the start of an epidemic where no one else has been infected except the index case. When measured at any subsequent epoch, it is simply R (the effective reproduction number), and you no longer need mention a nought.
 
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