Global Cooling or Global Warming?

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Dundee

Fading day by day.
Castle-Yankee54 said:
Yes.....the short term warming trend is since the last ice age.
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So a genuine question to you Castle, as I respect your opinion and know your not going to be sarcastic.
If it is that clear cut, why do so many scientist say otherwise, I respect your analysis, however you would have to assume that other scientists have access to the same Data, so, why is that (it seems) the majority of the scientific community have a different view to this. Because like it or not, the majority seem to think it is both man made, or at least heavily influenced by man, and heading for a very bad outcome.
 
CasualBystander

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Well, between climategate, and the examples of Josh Willis, Judith Curry and many others we know that if you report cooling or take a skeptical position you get viciously attacked, and skeptical articles are hard to publish.

Judith Curry stated that when she become a skeptic if she wasn't a senior educator she would have been out of a job and she was disinvited from conferences. For a young scientist, being a skeptic is a career ender.

Willis initially said the Argos network showed cooling and was so viciously attacked he had to rework the data.

Mann et. al. got skeptical journal editors fired and loaded peer review panels with global warmers and we have the email evidence to prove it.

If you are going to attack people and end careers when people publish or say things that you disagree with, it is easy to get a consensus.

Senator: Use RICO Laws to Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics
Let alone the numerous people who suggested jailing skeptics. Sheldon Whitehouse, a Democratic Senator from Rhode Island suggested using RICO statutes against skeptics and also said they should be put in jail. This is not how America has traditionally resolved disagreements about differences of data interpretation and opinion.

A consensus of people with a gun to their head isn't a consensus. And with many skeptics driven from the field it isn't hard to achieve a consensus.
 
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Castle-Yankee54

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Dundee said:
So a genuine question to you Castle, as I respect your opinion and know your not going to be sarcastic.
If it is that clear cut, why do so many scientist say otherwise, I respect your analysis, however you would have to assume that other scientists have access to the same Data, so, why is that (it seems) the majority of the scientific community have a different view to this. Because like it or not, the majority seem to think it is both man made, or at least heavily influenced by man, and heading for a very bad outcome.
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Are you familiar with the vocal minority?....most scientists and engineers I know think that its naturally occurring and possibly being helped along by humanity. Yes most do have the same data.....but as I've seen here so often some people chose to ignore everything but their own ideas. Scientists are humans too....so not all are unbiased. Even the data in gores inconveinent truth showed that the warming since the little ice age mirrors something that happened 400,000 years ago. But other theories think as soon as enough fresh water enters the North Atlantic from melting polar ice the Gulf Stream will shut down and the next ice age will begin.

Don't get me wrong.....humanity is damaging the environment and we need to stop doing that. I have noticed things have been improving in the northeast US over the last 35 years......but its the entire world needs to be involved for it to work.

One thing people saying humanity is causing it all always forget is the little ice age and always jump to the industrial revolution. Bear in mind it has been warming since the end of the little ice age ended about 150 years or so ago.....but the industrial revolution began at the end of the 1600s in the US and even earlier in England.

I hope this helps......if you have any more questions I'll answer them as best I can.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
Castle-Yankee54 said:
Are you familiar with the vocal minority?....most scientists and engineers I know think that its naturally occurring and possibly being helped along by humanity. Yes most do have the same data.....but as I've seen here so often some people chose to ignore everything but their own ideas. Scientists are humans too....so not all are unbiased. Even the data in gores inconveinent truth showed that the warming since the little ice age mirrors something that happened 400,000 years ago. But other theories think as soon as enough fresh water enters the North Atlantic from melting polar ice the Gulf Stream will shut down and the next ice age will begin.

Don't get me wrong.....humanity is damaging the environment and we need to stop doing that. I have noticed things have been improving in the northeast US over the last 35 years......but its the entire world needs to be involved for it to work.

One thing people saying humanity is causing it all always forget is the little ice age and always jump to the industrial revolution. Bear in mind it has been warming since the end of the little ice age ended about 150 years or so ago.....but the industrial revolution began at the end of the 1600s in the US and even earlier in England.

I hope this helps......if you have any more questions I'll answer them as best I can.
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That's the biggest problem with climate studies, so much biased data from warming evangelicals to the point where some want to prosecute and imprison anyone who disagrees or publishes data to the contrary...Then you have large numbers of people who are fed incomplete or biased data and believe it without any validation or confirmation...
 
Castle-Yankee54

Castle-Yankee54

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nivek said:
That's the biggest problem with climate studies, so much biased data from warming evangelicals to the point where some want to prosecute and imprison anyone who disagrees or publishes data to the contrary...Then you have large numbers of people who are fed incomplete or biased data and believe it without any validation or confirmation...
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The problem is so many "studies" are not peer reviewed if they are reviewed at all.....can anyone say youtube......:Whistle:
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
Castle-Yankee54 said:
The problem is so many "studies" are not peer reviewed if they are reviewed at all.....can anyone say youtube......:Whistle:
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I wasn't even talking about youtube, but there are too many biased and politically motivated so called scientific researchers who make it sound like the world is melting away to oblivion and its all our fault and promote this as reality, then the fools who accept this data blindly and preach it as gospel...It's quite pathetic...

The cooling-warming debate has been going on for over a century...
 
August

August

Metanoia
Most Climatologists ( like mansion at the beach Al Gore ) pull in some heavy dust so it is in their best interest to peddle their climate change guff to a gullible public.
 
CasualBystander

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Gold_Fish said:
Thanks for the info
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You are welcome.

August said:
Most Climatologists ( like mansion at the beach Al Gore ) pull in some heavy dust so it is in their best interest to peddle their climate change guff to a gullible public.
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Obviously that is a lot easier than selling it to a non-gullible public.

I had a lot of faith in science before the global warming scare. Then I started to look at how science is done.

I tend to treat science studies now like it is just opinion (which most of the time it is given the lack of reproducibility.)

I do a search of the authors Curriculum Vitae and other studies they have done before I give any credence to a study. If the author is an activist then you know they are lying and the only question is how.
 
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CasualBystander

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As a side note: less and less of CO2 emissions are staying in the atmosphere. Currently less than 40%. At the end of this year I will replot emissions vs atmospheric CO2 level and it should be obvious that the rise is going to level off pretty soon.

The further the CO2 level gets from 280, the harder it is to raise the CO2 level.

My number for peak CO2 is in the 460-480 PPM range. Warmunists Climate scientists simulate a 940 PPM CO2 level in their model runs for the year 2100.

That is 9 times what a reasonable estimate of the 2100 CO2 increase would look like.

The other lunacy is the "100 year" CO2 mean lifetime. The half life of CO2 in the atmosphere is 11 years and the mean lifetime is 16 years. This is from studies of the excess C14 released by nuclear weapons. The C12/C13 lifetime is going to be about the same (1.1% of carbon is C13). Claims of a 100 year mean lifetime is steaming bullshit. In fact the lighter isotopes should have a shorter mean lifetime if anything since they react faster and plants discriminate against the heavier carbon isotopes.
 
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nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
Ross ice shelf in Antarctica is freezing and not melting from below as expected - and scientists have no idea why

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nivek

nivek

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'This is the start of a mini ice age': Climate expert claims Australia faces SEVEN YEARS of freezing winters with snow in places where it's never fallen - followed by 'monsoon-like' flooding

Australia is set for a freezing winter with snow in parts of Queensland where it has never fallen before, according to a veteran weatherman who claims this is just the start of a 'mini ice age'.

Dave Taylor, a Queensland-based weather expert, is also warning every winter from now until 2025 'will be colder than the last'.

He said a reduction in sun spots is the cause of the cold snap, and predicts the freezing winters will end with a severe weather event – likely widespread flooding - that will be 'worse than Australia has ever experienced'.

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CasualBystander

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nivek said:
'This is the start of a mini ice age': Climate expert claims Australia faces SEVEN YEARS of freezing winters with snow in places where it's never fallen - followed by 'monsoon-like' flooding

Australia is set for a freezing winter with snow in parts of Queensland where it has never fallen before, according to a veteran weatherman who claims this is just the start of a 'mini ice age'.

Dave Taylor, a Queensland-based weather expert, is also warning every winter from now until 2025 'will be colder than the last'.

He said a reduction in sun spots is the cause of the cold snap, and predicts the freezing winters will end with a severe weather event – likely widespread flooding - that will be 'worse than Australia has ever experienced'.

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Well...

That is why warmunists changed the name of global warming to climate change. So they can blame any change in climate on CO2.

In the US they blame warming and cooling, drought and flood on climate change.

Apparently the climate didn't change before we started burning fossil fuels.

Anyway, CO2 was supposed to be "the" climate driver and models show it should cause exponential warming in the near future.

If it cools the warmunists are wrong and their lying models are wrong, and that is that.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
The Coolers seem to base their findings from solar activity or lack thereof, meaning the sun has a big say in whether we wear shorts and t-shirts on the beach or thick jackets and tabogans shoveling snow...
 
CasualBystander

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nivek said:
The Coolers seem to base their findings from solar activity or lack thereof, meaning the sun has a big say in whether we wear shorts and t-shirts on the beach or thick jackets and tabogans shoveling snow...
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Well...

It looks like we will find out who is right.

CO2 is rising steadily and the sun is cooling off. The horse race has started, place your bets.
 
Area201

Area201

cold fusion
Looks like more extreme weather - neither global cooling or warming - "climate chaos" sounds about right and fair to both sides?
 
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