Iranian tensions

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What do you think will be the outcome of General Soleimani’s death?

  1. Full scale war

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  2. Small scale confrontations

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  3. Escalated terrorist attacks

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  4. Nothing, the anger will fade

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  1. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    It seems to me every few years give or take, Iran stirs up a little tension in the Gulf, maybe to get attention, maybe to test US response,who knows...

    'America's billion dollar fleet can be destroyed with one missile', warns Iranian cleric as America sends Patriot missiles and a SECOND warship to the Middle East amid increasing tensions with Iran

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    The semi-official ISNA news agency quoted hardliner Ayatollah Tabatabai-Nejad as saying: 'Their billion(-dollar) fleet can be destroyed with one missile. 'If they attempt any move, they will ... (face) dozens of missiles because at that time (government) officials won't be in charge to act cautiously, but instead things will be in the hands of our beloved leader (Ayatollah Ali Khamenei) (bottom left,' he said. Trump made the offer as he increased economic and military pressure on Iran, moving to cut off all Iranian oil exports this month while beefing up the U.S. Navy and Air Force.

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  2. nivek

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    How Qassem Soleimani was 'torn to shreds' by US missile and his body had to be identified by his RING: Drone fired four rockets at Iranian general's car after he arrived from Syria to meet embassy attack leaders

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    The attack unfolded early on Friday local time in a precision strike on two cars that were carrying Soleimani and Iraq-based PMF militiamen who were picking him up from the airport. Soleimani had reportedly just arrived to Baghdad on a flight from Syria. Airport logs show a Cham Air flight arriving from Damascus at 12.34am Friday Baghdad time, but it's unclear whether Soleimani was on that commercial flight or a private charter. Four precision missiles struck the two black Hyundai cars carrying Soleimani and his entourage, according to U.S. officials. The cars were struck on an access road near the Baghdad airport.

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  3. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

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    I was listening to an interview recently talking about how we could've nailed bin Laden in 1998 but didn't. Patriot Act not yet in place and legally we couldn't target an individual. Still not sure how I feel about that but an awful lot of people all over the world might not be dead if we had.

    Soleimani was a dangerous snake and, to paraphrase one of my favorite fiction characters - sometimes some things just need killing. Whacking whoever's currently large and in charge is something we've had a lot of practice lately. Apparently the Iranians didn't think we'd respond like that and it isn't hard to see why. Appeasement doesn't work.

    If the plane full of money worked then the drone full of missiles wouldn't have been necessary.
     
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  4. pigfarmer

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    John Bolton is already calling for regime change in Iran. Considering how well that usually works out what a fantastic idea. He should be rewarded with another ambassadorship. To Ceres.

    As for the Iranians, they’ll react and we won’t like it. But when the rhetoric is amped up like this I’d suggest to the Ayatollah to review Manuel Noriega’s declaration of war. Don’t start banging your sword on the podium
     
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  5. Shadowprophet

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    It's times like that that make me wonder if all those doomsday preppers canning meatloaf in jars and digging hols in their back years had the right idea, The more time that passes, the more convinced I am that War of some kind is an eventuality.
     
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  6. pigfarmer

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    unfortunately war is a normal human condition
     
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  7. nivek

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    NATO is suspending its training exercises in Iraq since this occurred, which to me shows how weak NATO has become...We have been paying the bills for NATO long enough too, and isn't Turkey a member of NATO, yet nothing is done about their aggression and transgressions which rub against what NATO is supposed to be...A bizarro world we live in...

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  9. Shadowprophet

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    I hate to be this guy, But they say racism is something that someone learns, or picks up from the environment, Look at the middle east, All they have done for who really knows how long, is kill and fight, They are Basically Klingons at this point, I'm not trying to make light of the issue, But, It seems all these people know how to do is fight, they claim to want peace but they can't stop fighting, There are four states there and three current wars.

    I don't say this in a racist way or a wrong way, I say it because it's true, It's toxic over there. and no matter what some foreign power does to try to calm the situation, Peace is not in their blood, they don't desire peace, It's the most brutal warlike region on earth and has been. Yeah, I know, This makes me sound terrible or intolerant. I don't really care, Most of our lives we have lived through this Bullshit, Because they can't stop killing over there, I've legitimately lost friends who joined the armed forces and died over there fighting their battles.

    They won't allow peace, Surely as soon as we want peace they attack the U.S embassy and then retaliation causes the war to renew. I know, I'm somehow a terrible person for saying this, but these guys in the middle east are fighting so hard the rest of the world has gotten involved. Don't get me wrong, I realize there are innocent people there, That is caught in the crossfire and it's not their fault. But damn, The middle east conflicts are literally ruining the rest of the world and its economies. Again, This has nothing to do with Race, This is a cultural observation, And it's a logical one at that. The fighting has been going on over there since biblical times, And with War and killing so deeply ingrained into their culture, It's not ever gonna stop. :(
     
  10. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Setting aside all of the politics and propaganda - the cold-blooded assassination of a revered foreign general only bolsters the view of most Middle Eastern people that the US is a murderous terrorist state, and we'll see a flood of new recruitment into radical militias hell-bent on the destruction of the United States. And this is also exactly the kind of thing that could lead to WWIII. So the murder of Qasem Soleimani makes all of us much less safe, and only a complete fool would regard this war crime perpetrated by our military as a good thing.

    Imagine if Russia murdered General Mattis with a drone strike while he was abroad. That's what we just did to Iran. The consequences of this will be terrible and enduring.



     
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  11. Shadowprophet

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    I don't know how to comment to this, I'm not a very political person, I can't comment on it politically, But, I can say, This didn't occur just because someone wanted someone dead, This was a calculated drone strike, This wasn't a declaration of war, Only the meek would think we haven't been in war since sometime in the mid-'90s, War has been happening. The media uses words like "peacekeeping efforts" But people are over there killing and dying, It's my opinion we have been in world war 3 for quite some time and the only reason people don't know this, Is the media plays down the events with soft sheep lulling words. How many people from how many nations need to die before people come to terms with the fact that we are and have been in a war?

    My stand is this, I am American, No matter my political stand, To the enemy, I am an American that deserves to die, Holding a flag and declaring peace in the face of an enemy that wants nothing but your destruction is just A sign of weakness.

    We have no choice but to fight, There is a time to fight and a time to run, This is not the time to Run.

    I know where your heart is Thomas, You see things morally, And you desire peace and you Follow What You deem As Just. And That's admirable, But the Truth is, Uncontrolled Hate is not something that can be delegated with peace. They simply want blood, And they don't care if it's the blood of the innocent or the guilty, They just want America To Perish. We Don't have a choice but to fight, If we didn't and weren't fighting, America would be gone already. It's like when we were in school and the bully attacked you, He didn't care if you were sorry, Or scared, or crying, He just beat us down with no regard, Because we were his enemy, War is fueled by hate. We have to fight the bully, Or he will destroy us.
     
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  12. Shadowprophet

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    And I don't mean the above post in any bad way, I can see that you are clearly against the fighting and the war. And IN many ways, I am too. I wish for it to stop, I want peace.

    It's just, I don't believe they will ever let us have peace. I feel like, They see us as the enemy, And they will never really stop with the terrorist attacks, I mean they declared, Holy War on us back then. Holy war isn't something that Can be deligated, They believe their God Want's us Dead. They won't ever stop, We have to fight, just to defend ourselves. The irony is, We are over there, Fighting on their land, Just to keep them away from here. That's how bad things really are :(
     
  13. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Do you not see how totally twisted around that argument is? "We are over there, Fighting on their land, Just to keep them away from here." We've been mass murdering people all across the Mideast since at least the 1950s. We have done so under fake pretenses - the Iraq war for example. Never have we been over there, to keep them from coming here - we are the murderous occupiers of the Mideast...they have been the victims of our bloodthirsty imperialism for generations. The longer we're there, and the more of their children we slaughter, the more angry and dangerous they become in response. We're not the victims in this equation - we're the ones killing them on their soil.

    But all of the corporate news media in this country serves the war machine, so all you'll hear from Fox News and MSNBC and CNN and the NYT and WaPo and NPR - all of it - is pro-war propaganda serving the US war-profit machine.

    Just look at what we've done in the last 20 years: we invaded Iraq under false pretenses and left it a smoldering ISIL-infested hellscape with up to a million people dead. We invaded Afghanistan - the most hopeless cause on the planet which basically bankrupted the USSR - and why? What have we accomplished there, other than making more enemies? Hillary Clinton pushed hard to destroy Libya, and now Libya is also an ISIL-infested hellscape with open human slave markets....it was far far better off before we went in to "help." Then we tried to do the same to Syria - which wasn't a civil war; it was a US-Saudi regime change operation from day one (see: Operation Timber Sycamore), and those "moderate rebels" we were actively supporting, were in fact Islamic State extremists, including al-Qaeda.

    Look - I know that less than 1% of the US population ever gets anything but the brainwashing BS of the State Media establishment, so most people have no idea wtf is going on or what they're talking about when it comes to US politics and US foreign policy. But this idea that "they" are the murderous savages and we're as innocent as a newborn lamb, is complete bullshit. We're not so much the victims of radical Islamic extremism, as we are the cause of it. And the more digging you do beneath the veneer of the US corporate lie machine, the more true you'll find that to be.

    And this assassination is just more of the same old murderous US foreign policy that has created armies of enemies who want us dead. The solution isn't to assassinate more people - the solution is to stop the mass murder operations and the assassinations.
     
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  14. Shadowprophet

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    No, I get it, But, This was an inherited situation though, Our forefathers did this, The only option we have is to let them harm us, Or fight. I mean, It's indirectly, Not our fault. Just as their reasons for fighting are indirectly not theirs, It's an inheritance of hate. But, If we don't defend ourselves, Then what?
     
  15. Thomas R. Morrison

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    There's no such thing as "defense" by killing people in their own country - that's offense, not defense. The Iraqis, the Libyans, the Syrians, the Afghanis and many others were not a threat to us. None of them were involved in 9/11 - in fact 15 out of 19 of those terrorists were Saudi (funny how nobody ever had a bad word to say about Saudi Arabia after those attacks huh?).

    We've been creating enemies for decades by illegally occupying their countries and bombing their children.

    F this - I give up. The US mind control operations are just too good...most Americans can't even imagine that murdering families is bad and has dreadful consequences. Well-meaning people in this effed-up country honestly think that we have to be all over the world slaughtering innocent people in order to "protect ourselves." What a joke. 19 mostly-Saudi al-Qaeda terrorists (who numbered around a few hundred at the time of the 9/11 attacks) killed 3000 Americans, and then we killed over a million people in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria....and most Americans think that we are the victims. Smh.
     
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  16. Standingstones

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    After the fall of the Berlin Wall I had some small hopes that there might finally be some peace in the world. Thirty years later and the situation is worse than can be imagined. The US always needs a bogeyman to fight against. We are unable to walk away from the Middle East because we need to control the oil situation. That part of the world has been in constant strife for centuries. Shiite Muslims hate Sunni Muslims and vice versa. Turks hate the Armenians. The list goes on.

    Yet we poke our noses into that area and constantly stir up the hatred. When I hear the phrase “We need to defend ourselves” it makes my blood boil. We are fight in someone else’s backyard. It’s true that so many Americans are myopic. They believe whatever drivel the News agencies in our country put out. I am betting that one day soon the fighting will land on our shores and there really will be a weeping and a gnashing of teeth.
     
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  17. Shadowprophet

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    No sorry, I just find myself at disagreement, People are responsible for what they do, America didn't do Isis, America didn't cut the heads off of little girls. Isis Deserved what they got and worse. Now we can agree to disagree or agree that we don't agree. But, there is no way I am going to bend a knee in sympathy to an enemy that wants us dead.

    Do you guys think A people, Who literally cut the heads off little girls and stacked them in a pile deserve any sympathy from me?

    Let me tell you guys something about culture and cultural appropriation, There are communities in Africa that Eat their children. And culturally appropriate people will tell me I'm racist If I don't accept that, Well, I think eating one's children is a barbaric practice and it's irredeemable, Now, If I think that eating one's offspring is an ignorant disgusting practice, and makes those that do that look like uneducated brainless soulless animal beasts, Dose that make me Racist? I don't care, Those Things That do that, Aren't human in my eyes. And there is nothing on this Earth that can make me Look at a people who cut the heads of children as anything more than wounded animals that need to die. I do not sympathize With Isis, I will not condone their actions, they are "My" Enemy. And to be honest, Anyone who can overlook that they cut the heads off children and call The Us the bad guy here.

    Well, I just don't know what to say to that. People can filander all the excuses they want in defense of those worthless animals. But when the heads of children began flying off, My mind was made up about "Those people"

    You guys are welcome to see your opinions on how you want to see them, but as an outside observer, I urge you guys to understand, Your opinions and sympathy for them, Means nothing, They want to harm you. Because you are American. Please don't be so foolish as to think your sympathy for their cause is anything more than a weakness for them to exploit. A weakness they would exploit before they hurt you and your family.

    They cut the heads off of countless six and seven-year-old girls and kidnapped entire schools of girls to impregnate. These are not Good noble people, They are horrible people that deserve to die, Wake up, please.
     
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  18. Shadowprophet

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    Forgive me, I'm impassioned about this. Because, a Rule I try to live by is, Everyone is responsible for their own actions, The Acts of evil they have done, To even women and children, There is nothing there to defend. No excuse they can give.

    Oh, They hurt those little girls because "America" No, They are responsible for that, I won't and can't sympathize with or defend that.
     
  19. Shadowprophet

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    I know, It seems like I'm hate-mongering, That's not it, There comes a time in Situations like this, Where there is War. When Peace is not optional, The only thing one can do is make their stand or not. Here is the thing, If someone in my family makes a mistake, and someone else wanted to kill my family member, I Don't care if my family member was in the wrong, I'm going to fight and defend my family member.

    So You guys think America was in the wrong? That's Fine. And Maybe accurate. But, I won't turn my back on America, I am American, And, The enemy doesn't care what my views are, They care about Where I came from and what I am.

    War isn't Hippi Tree hugging peace talks about morality, It's fight or die. And So be it. So America may have pissed them off on several occasions. IF we weren't over their fighting they would be over here terrorist attacking us. That's literally the reason we are over there. I would never bend a knee to my brother's would-be killer and allow him to do my brother in because why? Morally My brother was in the wrong? Morals don't mean jack squat if you don't have the morality to defend your own brother. And I promise the very second someone approaches them with a white flag of peace, they will take you in a room waterboard you and then berate you on how you betrayed your entire people and then end you. There is nothing pretty or logical about Hate and war :(


    in fairness though, These topics, Politics, and war, They aren't for me, It's hard to really discuss them Because I don't mean to get bent out of shape, It's just when I think about them, all I can think about is them cutting peoples heads off, It infuriates me. This topic isn't for a person like me, I'm to peaceful to want stress like this. I gracefully bow out.
     
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  20. Thomas R. Morrison

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    See - this is how I know that you haven't looked any deeper than the BS lies and relentless propaganda of US state media: even Trump figured out that the illegal and insane destruction of Iraq....which was orchestrated through 100% lies to the American people and the UN...was the key to the formation of the Islamic State.

    So yes, we did that, by pursuing the horrific and ever-failing agenda of endless regime change operations all across the Mideast.

    And if you haven't yet asked yourself "are these regime change operations about protecting the PetroDollar system so that the bloated psychopath bankers can keep making trillions of dollars by printing US greenbacks?" then you haven't even reached Square One.

    Because none of the cataclysmic US regime change wars are about US security, or morality, or "spreading democracy" or any of the usual insipid US media propaganda - they're about the greed of the plutocrats who control the world and who use the US military as their mercenary army to protect the absurd tsunamis of cash flow they rake in year after year without lifting a finger.

    It's all about money. And when you realize that the billionaire psychopaths are using our military to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent families in order to protect their unearned profits, the absurd illusion of "righteous wars" in the Mideast suddenly evaporates like a fleeting fever dream.
     
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  21. Shadowprophet

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    I know what they claim it's about, but to me, What matters is, Those children, Those children really died, And Maybe I'm unable to see a bigger picture, but they really cut those little girls heads off, I'm unable to get past that, That was traumatic for me. When I think about the situation, I see those pictures when I close my eyes.

    You have to understand, To me, Having lost two little girls. That someone could do that to children. It breaks me. I'm not able to process it. I'm not trying to tell other people how they should think, I think, Mostly, That's just my personal line, In my heart, I want justice for those kids. I want the people that did that to those kids, To suffer :(
     
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