Latest on the Pentagons UAP revelations.

[Rick Hunter]

Red flag for complete horseshit. More people claim service in that conflict by a factor of two or three than ever actually did

I was at work and he was a customer. I was just kinda like "Uh huh, very interesting sir. Will that be cash or card?" A few weeks later he came in and tried to tell me about a "TV show where they show you things that they don't want you to see on TV." (???) I just told him I don't watch TV and that sort of took the wind out of his sails.

 

[nivek]

 

[Todd Feinman]

UFOs: Between the ‘Wild Blue Yonder’ and the ‘Deep Blue Sea’

 

[Todd Feinman]

The article above mentions that Twining headed off to Roswell due to a "very important and sudden matter"..
Just like General Craigie who was also flown to Roswell:
A Different Perspective: Ben Games and Roswell
Craigie later became Chief Engineer at Wright-Patterson AFB, where the material was taken.
Again, I know a person who knew Craigie when she was a child --he told her UFOs were real and that "we shouldn't be afraid of them". He also told her he couldn't talk about it because he "had promised the Air Force" he wouldn't talk about it. She was completely unaware of his part in the UFO situation --or that rumor was he had "promised Truman" he wouldn't talk about them. Fits neatly together like puzzle pieces.
Logbooks show that the Mogul balloons hadn't been flown to be able to create that wreckage --and everyone was familiar with the balloons used --they were regular off-the-shelf balloons, and ranchers were familiar with those, as they could turn them in for money. There would be no chain of officials unable to identify such a thing. And, a couple of days before Roswell, saucers were clearly seen flying all over Portland, Oregon.

 

[nivek]

Navy warship USS Kearsarge was followed by 'two car-sized balls of light' while it was on a training exercise off the East Coast

The Navy USS Kearsarge was chased by 'two car-sized balls of light' during an unexplained encounter last year, according to a UFO researcher and consultant. The warship was reportedly followed by the UFOs while it was on a training exercise off the East Coast in October, filmmaker Dave Beaty told The Sun.

According to Beaty's research, two objects were seen near the ship for several nights, with Marines onboard becoming shocked when the Navy's anti-drone 'ghostbusters' did not deter the balls of light.

The object was 200ft above the ocean and followed the ship for half a mile, a retired US Marine officer who wished to remain anonymous told Beaty.

Beaty is the director of the 2019 documentary The Nimitz Encounters, which dives into the the famous 2004 UFO encounter by the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz. The Nimitz sightings were first leaked online in 2007. The New York Times then confirmed in 2019 that at least six Super Hornet pilots made visual or instrument contact with the tic-tac shaped UFO on November 14, 2004.

The recent encounters, which Beaty said he only has compiled preliminary information on, will likely spark new interest in unexplained encounters by the US Navy.

Last summer, a milestone report by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence confirmed dozens of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs), following recognitions by state officials that have helped destigmatize conversation around the phenomena.

'Anything that would expose a military weakness or military capability of course is sensitive, but if these objects turn out to be not man-made and not foreign state actors, we need to be open and address these with academic study, empirical methods, and grant funding to conduct research at the university level,' Beaty told The Sun.

(More on the link)

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[pigfarmer]

Another ship in a training exercise, this time off the east coast. That isn't coincidence, it's deliberate. They're not bothering the other warships we have deployed around the world. This smacks of an intelligence asset being tested close to home where it's safe. When I hear that Nimitz or Abe Lincoln (or pick one of your choice) had to deal with this under a very different set of Rules of Engagement I'll be far more convinced otherwise.

Good a place as any to put this. Just listened to a not particularly professional sounding interview with Mellon and Elizondo. Nothing new but worth listening to what they had to say.

Christopher Mellon and Luis Elizondo : The Air Force AWOL on UAP

I've been wondering why nobody mentions the USAF or USSF and they seem to have the same concern. Reason I mention it is that they spoke about institutional memory, the viewpoint of a different generation and also how these topics can infringe on religious belief. Also saying that talking about cases that are over 20 years old have limited, or maybe just different, value in the current environment. Ever try talking to young relatives about your own youth ? Yawn.

Point is it made me reassess my own opinions. Didn't change them, still skeptical but always worth a self-check to make sure I'm not guilty of the same old codgerism. It's still obvious there's far more to this story, blatantly obvious to me that the UAP Taskforce isn't getting the whole picture either. But it did make me think and those two are well spoken.

The hosts were swooning and it would be perfectly fine to just tune out after the interview is over at around the hour mark.

My takeaway is that the USAF and USSF are just sitting tight lipped until the political climate changes, which it is. We have such short and venal attention spans. Ukraine took a back burner to Will Smith, right?

 

[nivek]

UFO encounters left witnesses with radiation burns, brain problems & damaged nerves, claims Pentagon documents

UFO sightings can leave witnesses injured suffering radiation burns, brain problems and damaged nerves, according to newly released Pentagon files.

The report, obtained by The Sun from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) as part of a huge Freedom of Information request, investigates the health impact on humans who have had paranormal experiences.

The report - titled Anomalous Acute And Subacute Field Effects on Human and Biological Tissues - investigates injuries to "human observers by anomalous advanced aerospace systems".

And the report - prepared for the DIA - warns that such objects may be a "threat to United States interests".

Humans have been found to have been injured from "exposures to anomalous vehicles, especially airborne and when in close proximity", it reads.

The report noted that often these injuries are related to electromagnetic radiation - and links them to "energy related propulsion systems".

It lists injuries such as heating and burn injuries from radiation, damage to brain, and the able to impact people's nerves.

"Sufficient incidents/accidents have been accurately reported, and medical data acquired, as to support a hypothesis that some advanced systems are already deployed, and opaque to full US understandings", the report reads.

It goes on: "The medical analyses while not require the invention of an alternative biophysics do indicate to use of (to us) unconventional and advanced energy systems."

The report added said it had 42 cases from medical files and 300 similar "unpublished" cases where humans had been injured after "anomalous" encounters.

The document is here:

Anomalous Acute and Subacute Field Effects on Human Biological Tissues

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[Rick Hunter]

UFO encounters left witnesses with radiation burns, brain problems & damaged nerves, claims Pentagon documents

UFO sightings can leave witnesses injured suffering radiation burns, brain problems and damaged nerves, according to newly released Pentagon files.

The report, obtained by The Sun from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) as part of a huge Freedom of Information request, investigates the health impact on humans who have had paranormal experiences.

The report - titled Anomalous Acute And Subacute Field Effects on Human and Biological Tissues - investigates injuries to "human observers by anomalous advanced aerospace systems".

And the report - prepared for the DIA - warns that such objects may be a "threat to United States interests".

Humans have been found to have been injured from "exposures to anomalous vehicles, especially airborne and when in close proximity", it reads.

The report noted that often these injuries are related to electromagnetic radiation - and links them to "energy related propulsion systems".

It lists injuries such as heating and burn injuries from radiation, damage to brain, and the able to impact people's nerves.

"Sufficient incidents/accidents have been accurately reported, and medical data acquired, as to support a hypothesis that some advanced systems are already deployed, and opaque to full US understandings", the report reads.

It goes on: "The medical analyses while not require the invention of an alternative biophysics do indicate to use of (to us) unconventional and advanced energy systems."

The report added said it had 42 cases from medical files and 300 similar "unpublished" cases where humans had been injured after "anomalous" encounters.

The document is here:

Anomalous Acute and Subacute Field Effects on Human Biological Tissues

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[nivek]

'They woke up burned or injured.' Top brain expert and ex-CIA officer reveals hundreds of military servicemen suffered brain damage or symptoms of the mysterious 'Havana Syndrome' and even DEATH after encountering UFOs



Detroit Professor Christopher Green (bottom left) was commissioned around 2010 by a secret $22million defense program monitoring UFOs, to write a paper on injuries from close encounters with 'anomalous' craft. In an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com the forensic neuroimaging expert, who has worked with the CIA since the 1960s, said he dealt with 'hundreds of patients' including special forces officers and other military personnel hurt after interacting with unidentified craft, some of whom later died. Some of the injuries resembled the mysterious 'Havana Syndrome', (right) which intelligence agencies believe could be a series of clandestine attacks on US diplomats by a foreign power using targeted microwaves. But Professor Green's cases presented decades before the spate of injuries at the Cuban embassy in 2016 that gave the illness its name.

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[nivek]

 

[nivek]

 

[nivek]

Declassified files reveal AATIP's 'out there' research

The US government's secretive UFO program did more than investigate sightings of unidentified arial phenomena. Incredibly, it turns out that government scientists working for the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) had also been investigating a whole host of 'out there' technologies and scientific concepts - such as anti-gravity, wormholes and invisibility cloaks - that wouldn't have seemed out of place in a science-fiction movie.

This is, at least, according to a treasure trove of some 1,600 declassified documents recently acquired by Motherboard following a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.

Some of the files - known as Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs) - discuss concepts including "traversable stargates and negative energy" as well as "high-frequency gravitational wave communications, warp drive, dark energy, and the manipulation of extra dimensions."

There are also references to "negative mass propulsion" and a plan to mine extremely lightweight materials from the center of the Moon by blasting tunnels using nuclear weapons.

As things stand, it's difficult to know what happened to most of these concepts (though it's safe to assume that the US government did not use nukes on the Moon.) Could some of the above-mentioned technologies have actually been developed and if so, especially given that this is a secretive UFO program, is there a connection to potential alien visitors ?

With over 1,600 files to examine, UFO researchers will certainly have plenty to read for the foreseeable future.

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[pigfarmer]

Air Force is tight lipped. Navy will speak about it while fidgeting and looking at their shoes, no idea how the other service feel about all this but they're not having a party over it. But now there's a mandate to report UAPs and be sort of openish about things. That'll fix things, now we'll get to the bottom of it. Yuh huh.

Since we're having 'the conversation' how about we know it's ET and have for some time, making the mandate to report 'unknowns' toothless.

 

[Standingstones]

Just a thought. I wonder if these so called alien races technology (if that is the case) is working on a higher frequency band than we are. I could understand radiation burns, mental problems etc. Anyway, it would pay to be cautious when approaching any such craft.

 

[Todd Feinman]

I'm pretty sure these are two of, or two of the same kind of objects that I saw, and others did in 2010:
On 60th anniversary of McMinnville UFO sighting: 2010

 

[Todd Feinman]

I'm pretty sure these are two of, or two of the same kind of objects that I saw, and others did in 2010:
On 60th anniversary of McMinnville UFO sighting: 2010

 

[pigfarmer]

Just a thought. I wonder if these so called alien races technology (if that is the case) is working on a higher frequency band than we are. I could understand radiation burns, mental problems etc. Anyway, it would pay to be cautious when approaching any such craft.

There is a historical precedent. Americans didn't fare well after first contact with Europeans, and Europeans didn't do well in sub-Saharan Africa for the same reason: lack of immunity. Contagion, disease. So maybe you're right, there is something inherently inimical to bumping into ET. With a Bigfoot it's more obvious - let the Wookie win - but with ET, who knows.

 

[1963]

One of the problems with these news reports is that they paint this picture that Russia, China etc. have these exotic weapons and we should be deathly scared. There is never any mention about what the Americans have up their sleeves. God only knows what sort of weaponry we have in our arsenals that nobody knows about.

And the trouble I have with those fantastical assertions of 'super technological unbelievably advanced death-machines' is "why aren't we seeing them used now?" ... for instance... "why isn't Putin using this 'super-tech' to expedite his 'Ukrainian Special Operation' in the blink of an eye" instead of plodding on with this 'mega-costly' [in more ways than one] prolonged bloody assault? ... or how could the mightiest military force on Earth... the US armed forces be vanquished by the vastly inferior Vietnamese gorilla army and even the medieval-like Afghan rebels?? ... because all, or at least the vast bulk of all this claimed esoteric knowledge of 'super advanced super secret weaponry that is just "simply awesome" is in fact just a croc of BS imagined up by some imaginative 'keyboard experts' that don't live in the harsh real world... or are little snippets of misinformation propagated by the parties that are interested in the misdirection of the average folk that might well be impressed by the claims of the fantastic nature of some of the objects described by the genuine witnesses of ... well, you know where i'm going... UFO's.
... Sure, all of the major technically advanced nations will no doubt have their share of 'advanced tech' that we are not yet privy to!... but it really confounds me as how some people [quite a lot of em' actually!] are willing to blindly accept that the major powers ... usually USA, Russia or China... could be so 'secretly-advanced enough' to be the manufacturers of such exotic machinery... and yet... still refuse to use it when required!

... How long would Mariupol have held out against a fleet of these little buggers?

Cheers.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

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[pigfarmer]

And the trouble I have with those fantastical assertions of 'super technological unbelievably advanced death-machines' is "why aren't we seeing them used now?" ... for instance... "why isn't Putin using this 'super-tech' to expedite his 'Ukrainian Special Operation' in the blink of an eye" instead of plodding on with this 'mega-costly' [in more ways than one] prolonged bloody assault? ... or how could the mightiest military force on Earth... the US armed forces be vanquished by the vastly inferior Vietnamese gorilla army and even the medieval-like Afghan rebels?? ... because all, or at least the vast bulk of all this claimed esoteric knowledge of 'super advanced super secret weaponry that is just "simply awesome" is in fact just a croc of BS imagined up by some imaginative 'keyboard experts' that don't live in the harsh real world... or are little snippets of misinformation propagated by the parties that are interested in the misdirection of the average folk that might well be impressed by the claims of the fantastic nature of some of the objects described by the genuine witnesses of ... well, you know where i'm going... UFO's.
... Sure, all of the major technically advanced nations will no doubt have their share of 'advanced tech' that we are not yet privy to!... but it really confounds me as how some people [quite a lot of em' actually!] are willing to blindly accept that the major powers ... usually USA, Russia or China... could be so 'secretly-advanced enough' to be the manufacturers of such exotic machinery... and yet... still refuse to use it when required!

... How long would Mariupol have held out against a fleet of these little buggers?

Cheers.

how could the mightiest military force on Earth... the US armed forces be vanquished by the vastly inferior Vietnamese guerilla army and even the medieval-like Afghan rebels??

Asymmetric warfare. Force equalizer. Don't meet force directly with force, use what advantages you have. Like the Spartans did - training and geography. Of course, we did and still do have the technology to completely vaporize opponents like this but we also can't avoid the experience of having done so in the past and all the consequences. Pity Putin doesn't see things that way.

little snippets of misinformation propagated by the parties that are interested in the misdirection of the average folk

Yes yes and more yes. I tend to agree with John B Alexander's assessment of government involvement in UFOs - big organization with too many players to be a monolith that's still answerable to budgets, etc. Millions of people involved so their interests and opinions are relative to the rest of the population. I want to believe what Mellon and Elizondo have been saying buy just can't quite get there. Again, the Navy's talking about it but many are not. What about NSA and NRO and LMNOP and sometimes Y ?

I still say those tic tac things are reconnaissance devices, snoopers that we have been testing in training areas. You use your secret weapon it isn't secret anymore. But in the day where rumors fly faster than light and become fact why not take advantage of the opportunity to hint and suggest all sorts of crazy **** to keep your very real opponents wondering WTF ?