Mystery Machine.

Discussion in 'Unexplained Mysteries' started by 1963, May 22, 2018.

  1. 1963

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    Hi Nivek, hope you are well old friend and sorry for the delayed response.
    And yes, though I presently lean slightly toward the 'Fly Agaric explanation', I also give a great deal of credence to the 'Military Culprit explanation' as I said to Sheltie in post no 8 ...in which I speculated that by the fact that since 'lights in the sky' were reported and that due to the reports that mention 'out of place' metallic debris of some kind being found by the search party , combined with the more recent revelation that contrary to official declaration of there being no military exercisers or testing anywhere near the area...that indeed the Urals have always been used for these covert purposes,... that a spot of heavy-handed intimidatory scare tactics that got out of hand and ended in real tragedy might not be out of the question.
    ... and it would seem that it was a theory that was also shared with someone a lot closer to this case than I could ever be... Yuri Yudin, the only Dyatlov party member to survive the trip....

    So yeah!...good post and this in my opinion is not only one of the most thought provoking mysteries known with many possible answers , ... but the correct one will probably elude us until we get 'The Mystery Machine' going properly.

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  2. 1963

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    Hi Coubob, great couple of cases they are matey, specially the Zodiac Killer, the exposure of that psychopathic s.o.b has held a morbid fascination for me ever since I saw the Dirty Harry film when I was quite young, and learned that 'Scorpio' the character played [excellently] by Andrew Robinson was based on the real life Zodiak Killer. After which I read up as much as I could, fancifully trying to 'Columbo' some missed clues in the case. [stupid boy. lol]
    ... and after all these years, I came to the conclusion that the guy's identity would never be known! ... But as you point out the 'Golden State Killer' whom was of a similar rank , and seemingly a similar hopeless case was indeed exposed earlier this year [I watched the two part documentary a couple of months ago] ... and so well, you never know! ... Fingers crossed that the Zodiac Killer might finally be in-masked , though I think that bearing in mind the time scale... the freak will probably be already dead and still escape justice. But it may still catch others like DeAngelo.
    There have been countless numbers of unsolved murders both solitary and serial, over mans recorded history , some of them compellingly fascinating and some just plain gruesome, the most famous of them all being imo the Jack the Ripper case [Whitechapel Murders] that I think that would unfortunately take a bit more than DNA and genealogy to solve, and in fact could only be solved by means of a time machine such as this thread's title 'The Mystery Machine' [I know, I know it's just for fun] so is there a unsolved murder that you would be more interested in paying a dollar [fee for the trip, with free bed, board and refreshments of course] to crack Coubob? ... if so, which is it mate?


    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  3. coubob

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    not really, i watched the 2007 movie of zodiac and it got me hooked on solving it
     
  4. coubob

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    do i look like him? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  5. 1963

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    Could be?... with a pair of similar specs and if you sport the same hairline under the hat, your main features [nose, mouth and what I can see about your ears ] are not so dissimilar .... Of course, the big stumbling block is that unless that is an old picture of you , and you are much older than I think you are [say... 26ish?] then perhaps we are looking for family similarities rather than a direct match? ie.. do you suspect grandpa coubob? lol. :Sneaky::)

    Cheers Buddy.
     
  6. coubob

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    The pic of me is a couple of years old and i`m 51 years old, There is a family member i have suspected though, but it couldnt be him, he has passed anyhow.
     
  7. 1963

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    Without sounding too sycophantic … i'm a bit jealous because you do look well for your age matey. :Thumbsup:
    And would you care to elaborate on this 'family member' and why the suspicion ?

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  8. coubob

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    Thanks, I just wish i had some hair on top,being bald sucks, i was going to let grow out like Gallagher`s but my other half said no way.
    And the family member is only due to the looks, kinda like me. Other than that as far as i know there is no ties to cali or heard of them ever going there. His parents were from around Shreveport,Louisiana and were into dirt track mods.
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  9. nivek

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    Here's another theory seems to recently emerge about the Dyatlov Pass incident, crazed deer?...What do you think?...

    Another Theory on the Dyatlov Pass Incident — This One Involves Crazed Deer

    The mysterious deaths of nine skier/hikers in the northern Ural Mountains of the former Soviet Union which have come to be known as the Dyatlov Pass Incident have been investigated, debated, covered up, exposed, re-investigated and blamed on everything from an avalanche to Yeti to military tests to aliens to forest spirits to anything and everything in-between. What is generally accepted is that the primary cause of their death was hypothermia … but why did they run out into the cold? A new video connects dots from other theories and comes up with a new one involving crazed deer.

    As you may have figured out, that’s a Google translation of the Russian introduction to the video uploaded to YouTube by Pohvistnevo-Inform. (Watch the video below.) It combines real photos from Igor Dyatlov’s team with a narration to build its case for what the makers of the video believe happened after the hikers became trapped on Mount Holatchakhl.




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    The first dots connected are a photo of a bright light in the sky which is linked to an actual launch of a military R-5M rocket at the same time on the same date. According to a document identified as the RVSN Handbook “on which the chronological index of rocket launches for the period 1947-1959 is published,” that particular launch “ended in an accident.” However, the consequences were far worse for the hikers on the mountain, one of whom photographed what may have been the flash.

    There you have it. The flash of an aborted military rocket launch spooked a nearby herd of deer, causing them to severely panic (one headline used the word ‘rabid’ but it appears they meant ‘crazed’) and run in the darkness directly into the tents containing the hikers — who sustained some of the serious and puzzling injuries later found on the corpses — who then panicked themselves and cut their way out of the tents, walking and stumbling confused and wounded into the frigid darkness.

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    Plausible? Yes. Have these dots ever been connected in this way and that theory been presented before? That’s possible. Has anyone ever produced a video proposing it? No, which is why we’re talking about it now. While that scenario could explain the start of their end, what happened next to the hikers?

    That’s not exactly true. While it’s been generally accepted that there was no crime associated with the deaths, there’s still no general agreement on the causes for the many strange circumstances found at the site over time and through various investigations.

    It’s an interesting video and theory. It’s still a few dots shy of a proof.

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  10. 1963

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    Hi Nivek, hope you're well my friend. :Thumbsup: … Well it's a good find matey, and the first time I've ever heard this theory.
    But as the closing line to the article states "It’s an interesting video and theory. It’s still a few dots shy of a proof." ….
    A couple of things initially jump to mind about this claim though,... such as it states that "testimony of the witnesses to this military rocket launch states that it spooked a nearby herd of Anyamov deer into running toward the victims tent" .. and unless i'm wrong about this, the military and governmental authorities have always stood fast in their denial of there being the slightest chance of there being any involvement in the mysterious deaths as there have never been any tests in that particular vicinity ever, let alone on that fateful night. I can't recall offhand the prime investigators name or the exact details, but I remember that he was actually summoned to Moscow to give an account of the progress and was then assured by well connected friends that there was no military exercisers in the area.
    But then of course, … would you expect the powers that be in Moscow to either own up to the creation of a catastrophe like this, or even break their stringent secrecy protocols of the 1950's cold war period. [or even now for that matter.] and there is always the documented testimony of one or two of the search party's having said that they came across certain metallic artefacts that were out of place and was theorised by some to have been more akin to possible military debris, and then there's always the "UFO's" that were reported by the other trekking party some way away. And so by that combination of whodunnit style logic, there are many that are convinced that there was a governmental cover-up of the militaries involvement in the tragedy [as if any government would ever be so underhand with the facts! :p ]… but unless there have been some fascinating belated admissions from the Kremlin that I have missed, then the military theory has to just remain 'one possibility among others' to my mind matey. And strong one as it may be... without disclosure of their actual activities in that region at that particular time, it remains just one of the many theories.
    The deer trample hypotheses is one that I've never come across, nor even thought of. But yes, I could envisage that it could be absolutely devastating and easily could account for the panic and devastation that occurred that night. A good initial shout that didn't cross my mind [or more importantly the minds of the actual on-site investigative teams] indeed. But even saying that is at odds with the known facts of the case. Because the rather large spanner in the works of this theory, is the well documented fact that the large teams of 'ground-zero searchers' actually removed large swathes of snow and ice in order to trace the victims foot prints to know their last movements..... and there were as far as I know [and i've read a lot about this case] no mention of 'Deer-prints'!
    And so in summary of my initial thoughts about this is that it is just another faulty revisionist assertion that the 'facts' point toward their own particular leaning without marrying up 'the real known facts' with their assertions.
    So good thought as I said earlier, but without a statement from the Rusky-officialdom about secret tests in the area, and someone actually supplying proof about the [so far] missing "Rabid Deer Tracks" then i'll just have to say that the Dyatlov Mystery is still.... a mystery to me. And i'll stick to my personal ruminations of it being a case of either a surprise military presence and attempted scaring exercise that got out of hand [with no deer participation] … or the fly agaric mushroom experiment that I proposed before.

    ps... Good video with article. Couldn't understand a word of what they were saying, but the pictures were top quality and brought back that old familiar atmosphere of wonderment and foreboding though and reminded me that this case is surely among the very best mysteries of this world, that will sadly likely never be solved … no matter how many times we visit the known facts. :(


    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  11. Dejan Corovic

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    Diatlov pass incident is extremely simple. They had cheap self made stove, from which a chimney pipe went along the full length of the tent. Because the stove was self made, it had problems with burning and if wood was not fed constantly it would start releasing smoke. So, during the nigh, in the middle of raging blizzard, the guy whose job was to feed the stove with wood, fell asleep. Quickly, whole tent filled with smoke. People started waking up because they can't breathe, only to see that they are surrounded with smoke. So they started cutting the tent, to avoid suffocating. All the motion and tent cutting collapsed the tent (in the middle of the blizzard), possibly collapsing even the very hot chimney pipe. Those who jumped out of the tent to slits in a tent wall found themselves barefoot and in their pajamas in a middle of night and middle of blizzard.

    They tried walking toward the nearby village, but they didn't stand a chance. That is the simplest and most likely explanation.
     
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