Old Encounters

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  1. michael59

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    I have to wonder, what did they think it was? They didn't even know what an airplane was at that time.
     
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  2. Skepticide123

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    I read just about every article I could find in those databases and have come to some conclusions..

    1. Many people thought some inventor somewhere had created some kind of marvelous airships that were under perfect control. Some grifters claimed that they had invented the airship(s) but were never able to provide any kind of evidence. Others claimed that they new the inventors = all nonsense. Even the Wright bros. denied being the secret inventors of the devices.
    2. Articles at the time said that they couldn't be any kind of lumbering dirigibles or known craft, given their movements and appearance. Some witnesses thought they might be extraterrestrial.
    4. The old accounts and questions that arise in the minds of the witnesses are exactly like later UFO accounts and witness conjectures.
    5. They were seen all over the place including Australia.
    6. They were the same objects we are seeing today. Taking advantage of us not really being in the air yet.
     
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  3. michael59

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    I can only read one or two a day. Reading makes me sleepy. lol
     
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    Many of the lesser known accounts in this thread, including the objects like the Strange Crown and the cigar airship seen in daylight by the farmers with no gondola etc. Or the sphere with streams of smoke, or the apparition etc. etc. ever have had a lot of notice and happened at same time. The lights flying around the steamer (many light flying in formation were called "airships" --not connected to any body)..
    Some individuals were so traumatized by them that they refused to be interviewed about them!

    Mystery airship - Wikipedia

    "...with a single unsatisfactory exception, no eyewitness was ever interviewed even in the 1950s, when some were presumably still living."[27]

    The "single unsatisfactory exception" Clark cites is a former San Francisco Chronicle employee interviewed via telephone by Edward J. Ruppelt in 1952. Ruppelt wrote that the man "had been a copy boy…and remembered the incident, but time had cancelled out the details. He did tell me that he, the editor of the paper, and the news staff had seen 'the ship', as he referred to the UFO. His story, even though it was fifty-six years old, smacked of others I'd heard when he said that no one at the newspaper ever told anyone what they had seen; they didn't want people to think they were 'crazy'."

    Jacobs notes, "Most arguments against the airship idea came from individuals who assumed that the witnesses did not see what they claimed to see. This is the crucial link between the 1896–97 phenomenon and the modern unidentified flying object phenomenon beginning in 1947. It also was central to the debate over whether unidentified flying objects constituted a unique phenomenon."[28]
     
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  5. Skepticide123

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    This famous image from the San Francisco Call shows an airship that was described by one woman as having no propellers or anything --just like the ovoid / cigar UFOs posted recently, while her friend was confused and claimed she saw some kind of propellers.. Her mind couldn't believe it was just hanging there. Note the bright red light like a star. below the object --like the strange crown of 1902 which had a star of First magnitude hovering over it --or like the objects Zigel described Russian Astronomers watched that had First magnitude stars flanking them..


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  7. michael59

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    It's been over a century + and people still get called crazy. They also constantly get told that they did not see what they saw. Makes it difficult for people to come forward.

    But, times are changing. Swamp gas is out and ball lightening is in. lol
     
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  8. Skepticide123

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    There are more articles, but I have them spread across several forums and hundreds of pages. I wll post more as I have the courage to sort through all of it, in time.
     
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  9. The shadow

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    Please do! I really enjoy seeing them.
    Awesome work.
     
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    It's kind of fun, isn't it? Cowboys and Aliens for real. The fun is the cognitive dissonance generated by reading about things so advanced that they make our leading edge prototypes today look like toys --in facsimiles of old moldering documents, described by simple folks in the parlance of their times...
     
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    Since many of you seem to enjoy seeing some of these historical triangular UFO reports, I have a few others recently discovered from 1957. Note the characteristics in these that mirror many of today's reports. .. David Marler. (2) Facebook

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  12. Skepticide123

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    Hmmm.. I don't think these are military balloons. Call 'em airships or foo fighters or UFOs.
    1892.

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    The Great Air Ship

    During the late-1890s, a wave of sightings of mysterious flying objects was taking place across the country. Newspapers nationwide dubbed the objects “airships” and some referred to the the crafts singularly, using the term “The Great Airship” to describe the phenomenon.

    I love reading old news articles from the day, such as this piece that the Deadwood Pioneer-Times ran on April 16, 1897:

    That Airship

    Some of the Deadwood gentlemen cited by the Omaha correspondent as witnesses of the flight of the air ship over Deadwood were seen yesterday, and an attempt was made to draw them out in regard to the apparition, but they were strangely non-committal, further than observing that the Bee’s version was correct, so far as it went. They remarked, confidentially, that they had vowed to each other not to mention the incident, knowing that they would be pointed out as land marks to other liars, and they were rather curious to know how the Bee correspondent secured his information. An eastern bureau that is trying to trace the reports of the air ship down, has wired the Deadwood gentlemen who were said to have seen the strange craft, saying that express affidavits bad been forwarded to them that they might certify to the correctness of the report. The gentlemen are going to be quiet upon the subject until called upon to subscribe to those affidavit. George Wilson, Al Lowerre, Roy Sharpe and John Ryan are the gentlemen quoted by the Bee corresponded, and their testimony is unimpeachable. If they say they saw the air ship they must have seen it, and the immutable law of physics has nothing whatever to do with the case, is incompetent and irrelevant.

    —The Deadwood Pioneer-Times, April 16, 1897

    The following day, the Eddy Current, a Carlsbad, New Mexico newspaper, wrote the following:

    A Strange Object Seen

    Guntrie, OK, April 8—About 11 o’clock Tuesday night the attention of Landlord Trumbull of the Arlington hotel was attracted by a dark-looking object moving through the air above the city.

    Soon a bright light was seen at the front of the object, which seemed to be thrown out in different directions. Mr. Trumbull called a number of people, who watched the strange shadow object for a long time, and are confident it is the mysterious airship seen at so many places during the past few weeks.

    The outlines were indistinct, but a light was throw out from the front, and at times there were flashes of light along the sides. It moved swiftly backward and forward, sank almost to the ground north of the city, and then rose straight into the air at great speed and disappeared into the darkness of the night.

    The Eddy Current, April 17, 1897

    The most famous airship report would have to be a supposed crash that occurred in Aurora, Texas. I first learned of the report in Jim Marrs’ Alien Agenda. The following is from the Dallas Morning News:

    A Windmill Demolishes it.

    About 6 o’clock this morning the early risers of Aurora were astonished at the sudden appearance of the airship which has been sailing throughout the country. It was traveling due north, and much nearer the earth than before. Evidently some of the machinery was out of order, for it was making a speed of only ten or twelve miles an hour, and gradually settling toward earth. It sailed over the public square and when it reached the north part of town [it] collided with the tower of Judge Proctor’s windmill and went to pieces with a terrific explosion, scattering debris over several acres of ground, wrecking the windmill and water tank and destroying the judge’s flower garden. The pilot of the ship is supposed to have been the only one aboard, and while his remains are badly disfigured, enough of the original has been picked up to show that he was not an inhabitant of this world.

    Mr. T. J. Weems, the U.S. Signal Service officer at this place and an authority on astronomy, gives it as his opinion that he [the pilot] was a native of the planet Mars. Papers found on his person-evidently the records of his travels are written in some unknown hieroglyphics, and cannot be deciphered. This ship was too badly wrecked to form any conclusion as to its construction or motive power. It was built of an unknown metal, resembling somewhat a mixture of aluminum and silver, and it must have weighed several tons. The town today is full of people who are viewing the wreckage and gathering specimens of strange metal from the debris. The pilot’s funeral will take place at noon tomorrow.

    Dallas Morning News, April 19, 1897

    What are we to make of these reports?


    Certainly, many of the crafts described were nothing like the UFOs we see today—triangles, tic-tacs, saucer-shaped discs, etc. It is as if “the phenomenon” presents itself in different ways during different time periods. Why? And what does it mean if this is the case? Or, are the objects the same, but described more in line with the witnesses’ frames of reference?


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  14. Skepticide123

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    I think the descriptions of the objects and their movements are mostly the same through the ages; look at Sternenschiff of 1851 and the objects over the stadium in Florence --they are very similar. Also the spindle or cigar-shaped objects haven't changed much, and those match many "airship" descriptions. But then the classic flying saucers appeared later. I think it is just different devices for different kinds of surveillance / interaction. Before we were really able to hassle them up in the air, they examined our urban infrastructure and the Industrial Revolution at much closer range.
     
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    Hey folks,
    I don't spend a lot of time on this forum because it is disturbing! You folks know and talk about real stuff all of the time :zp:

    The other day I ran into this pic on Marler's site I hadn't seen before; it is a larger, clearer version of the Photo from Farmington. It now elevates the pic in my mind to one of the best of all time; right up there with McMinnville, Heflin and Trudel. Marler owns it, so I am just going to post a link to it. You have to scroll way down the page and it is the pic right below the blurrier, smaller version there. It is pretty amazing. Here:
    Farmington NM 1950
    If you look at the object / hive in the formation in the back lower right, you can actually see the small spheres half out of the main object, looking like little domes.

    The whole page is EXCELLENT too..
     
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  16. karl 12

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    He's one of the best researchers out there mate - here's his presentation on this case.





    From your link:



    Menzel constantly derided UFO witnesses and attempted to 'debunk' UFO cases irrespective of any pesky facts that got in the way - interesting that later on in life Stanton Freidman exposed him as working undercover for the CIA (and NSA).

    Cheers.
     
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  17. Skepticide123

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    He is great! We have his book on triangular UFOs at my work:
    Triangular ufos : an estimate of the situation / David Marler.
     
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    That's a winner of a reading list right there mate and thought the first one on the list 'Grassroots UFOs' was a really fascinating book. :)

    It's not an encounter but did come across this old newsclipping describing how the USAF actualy blocked Congressional UFO investigations (wonder why they did that then).


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    Cheers.
     
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    Glad you like the books.
    Grassroots UFOs is very good! iirc, there is a case in there where a woman is in a city and suddenly she is alone and then UFO shows up; I found that pretty interesting.
     

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