Reincarnation

Discussion in 'Knowledge of the Spirit' started by cosmic joke, Aug 24, 2017.

  1. Gambeir

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    Hmm...interesting because this is now linking with what Michael59 and I have tossed round over here.
    What got you into Aliens

    Not too sure that the idea here is a struggle between good and evil, with evil trying to create ever more evil in people so that eventually the reincarnative fluids are all evil.
     
  2. nivek

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    I've given that some deep thought in meditation before, the possibility of more than one incarnation from the same higher consciousness exists in the very same timeline...They could even bump into one another and not realize they were of the same source consciousness if they were grounded and not in touch with their higher centers...
     
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  3. Gambeir

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    Very well then, I will accept your higher power analysis, but I don't see where it would profit to divide in that way or for what reason, but who am I to question the wisdom of Universe?

    PS: They do say the Anti~Christ is alive now and that he is not a single being, so evidently the world is now filled with Gambeirs? Can't kill all of us I guess is the idea: Learned our lesson on the last go round.
     
  4. nivek

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    Oh I'm not speaking in absolutes here, it's a possibility, but then you have to consider this too, what of all the parallel worlds, is there another consciousness that's the same for each of those or is this consciousness so immense and vast it can also split up between every other parallel world or possibility of one?...
     
  5. spacecase0

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    I am of the opinion that consciousness once split off from something is now its own thing after that point,
    it can choose to go back later, or it can choose to independent after that, (it is suppose to go back...)
    the books of robert monroe back up that opinion, but sure not directly.
     
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  6. nivek

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    That's the next part I was going to bring up next...Let's say we are all bits from a larger piece, if the split off piece becomes aware of itself, enlightened, to a point then at death of the physical body this piece explodes with full power and becomes free, independent, this newly awakened consciousness can forge it's own path, so to speak...
     
  7. Gambeir

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    A diaspora of intelligence? Cast off to find it's own path, but born from a single whole, as if cells from our own bodies could become self aware and blend with other cells once free and the form a single whole once again.
     
  8. Gambeir

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    Independent consciousness experiences individual and unique things as it goes about life, and all those have formative influences upon the consciousness, such that in time the one consciousness may not then be anything like another though both came from the same womb.
     
  9. spacecase0

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    I agree,
    the thing is that most people see this topic as what they call "higher consciousness", yet most the people that talk of this have never been there.
    they confuse personality (a tool you use) with consciousness
    what do people see if they have blocked all past life memories AND personalities, and then in a moment you get all that back... it can cause a bit of disorientation for anyone with deep ties to the current life and personality
     
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  10. spacecase0

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    for a good description of what happens when you actually split your consciousness, read a book called astral dynamics by robert bruce
    he tells of 2 sensory inputs at the same time,
    sort of like what happens when you remote view something
     
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  11. Ottilie

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    Love this topic! :)

    This is a topic that suffers for clarity because the terms being used do not have a shared conceptual precision. Example: if I mention 'tree' we will all have a shared concept of tree, and any subsequent conversation regarding 'treeness' will have coherence. That is not the case with words like 'soul' and 'spirit and 'consciousness'. We enter such dialogs without a common conceptual framework and so talk past each other. It can become very fuzzy and bouncy. What are we talking about, especially when it is not grounded in experience?

    Inevitably the conversation becomes highly abstract and unwieldy (in my experience). I will babble here very happily. Writing these things out I do more for me than for anyone else - so ignore me - and I will be happy. I uses other people's comments to riff off of but do not view this as a usual conversation and definitely not as a conversation where I am trying to convince anyone - heaven forfend even a hint of proselytizing! ;) Not my thing!

    I take great interest in this topic but do not presume to have any ultimates insights. It's an engrossing topic. I've read a great deal, studied occult and esoteric texts, so much of what I might say comes with a context that has helped me understand a lot of what I have experienced in my life - giving me clarity, a way through the forest - but there is so much more to understand.

    First that must be clarified is what is meant by 'soul' and by 'spirit' - they are not referring to the same aspect of the human 'entelechy' (organism at all levels). From a certain perspective the soul does not reincarnate - as souls we have this one life and this one life only. It is the spirit that reincarnates, but to understand these distinctions one must - so to speak - understand the conceptual difference between 'soul' and 'spirit' as between 'tree' and 'bush, or 'tree' and 'flower', or 'tree' and 'seed'.

    Just some thoughts. :)
     
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  12. Ottilie

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    I am puzzled: what is the distinction between rebirth and reincarnation in your view? In my experience these two words describe the same phenomenon, so I am puzzled that you see a distinction. :)
     
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  13. cosmic joke

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    indeed an interesting topic. like many here. a few quotes that offered me direction. am i on the right path. 'it ain't easy being green' (my aura colour)

    kermit the frog.

    and so:

    'Reincarnation is a very rare phenomenon. It is possible either over a very long period of time, or in the event of there being a man whose physical body is identical with that of the man who possessed these higher bodies. Moreover, the astral body can reincarnate only if it accidentally meets with such a physical body, but this can happen only unconsciously. But the mental body is able to choose.
    Views from the Real World p.217

    But the systems with which you are acquainted and which use this expression state that all men have an 'astral body.' This is quite wrong. What may be called the 'astral body' is obtained by means of fusion, that is, by means of terribly hard inner work and struggle. Man is not born with it. And only very few men acquire an 'astral body.' If it is formed it may continue to live after the death of the physical body, and it may be born again in another physical body. This is 'reincarnation.' If it is not re-born, then, in the course of time, it also dies; it is not immortal but it can live long after the death of the physical body.
    In Search of the Miraculous p.32'
     
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  14. cosmic joke

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    i know using quotes are sort of a cheesy way out. but as a picture can be worth a thousand words. the quotes above by g.i.gurdjieff, and his take on the psyche of man, changed my life. i am an 'i'm from missouri prove it' kind of guy. i honestly believe in 'work for the sake of work' and that i was born with the kernel of a soul, one that i have to develop. as well that i don't have an astral body, again the kernel of. possibilities exist for sure. but it is taken me years to make any and all of it real. oh wait. i have a developed soul, i astro travel all over the universe and have been reborn a few times. well that was easily said. so it must then be so. ====> 'whistle while you work '====> :Whistle:
     
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  15. Ottilie

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    Well, the way I understand the terminology (via occult science): we all have a physical body (also called a 'sheath').

    After the physical sheath we all have an etheric (or life) body/sheath - this body is the energetic template of the physical body - it's what organizes everything into a human being, as distinct from a kitty or a plant. All 'living beings' have a a physical body and an etheric body. Mainstream science first identified an aspect of this etheric sheath for the first time in the 1980's when it identified the Immune System. I would argue that Richard Sheldrake is identifying aspects of the etheric body/sheath with aspects of his morphic resonance theory.

    Then there is the next body usually called the astral body and after that the mental body. The astral and (lower) mental body is what is usually referred to as the 'soul' - and is where things get fuzzy.

    These four sheaths - physical, etheric. astral/emotional, (lower) mental - are organized by the incarnating 'germ' (seed) that is the spirit - the immortal 'identity' - as it descends into incarnation. It is with the spirit that the idea of reincarnation applies.

    Hence, according to occult/esoteric science the soul is a once-only and unique manifestation in any given life, it is the spirit that carries the larger identity. How the soul and spirit 'connect' is key to what the individual experiences.
     
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  16. Brian

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    The concept of reincarnation is loaded. Either you believe that time is an illusion or it is not. If the latter, reincarnation plays well. If not...then we must have simultaneous incarnations on different planes all at the same moment - Now.
     
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  17. Ottilie

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    You must define what you mean by 'planes'. Can't understand your point.

    Time is related to the physical universe.
     
  18. Brian

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    Planes or dimensions, alternate physical realities. Yes, time is a physical construct we choose to use as part of the game of physical reality. E.g there is no time in the spirit world.
     
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  19. Gambeir

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    IMO,

    A soul is the whole summation of experiences of lives lived. It may be apart from the physical spirit, but observable as an influence upon the spirit; as the spirit is the reincarnated soul set out once again to experience life. Thus a spirit is the embodiment of a soul set in the uniqueness of a new life, the purpose of which is to experience life. The spirit transmits it's experiences to the soul and could be seen as adding another page to a never ending story.

    I think this fits with your own thoughts.

     
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  20. Ottilie

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    Other than in science fiction I will have a hard time nailing down 'dimensions' - 'alternate physical realities'.

    I am all for free-basing with ideas - lots of fun. But there is a difference between speculation, ancient Sanskrit scenarios of existence and personal experience. Care to elaborate? Or at least identify what you are saying within some epistemology? For the sake of coherence when answering.
     

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