UFO Leak of the Century

Discussion in 'Alien-UFOs in the Media' started by nivek, Jun 8, 2019.

  1. Standingstones

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    What happened Richard Dolan’s credibility these days? At one time he had respect for his books on the National Security State. Once he got onto the UFO talking circuit, he now tends to present BS work on UFOs.

    Perhaps all the money coming in from speaking engagements has flawed his view point.
     
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  2. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

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    Mud is one thing you could call it. I would consider calling it something else with a similar color and consistency
     
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  3. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

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    He has credentials. But he does seem to love the attention he gets by waving them while talking about UFOs. That by itself is a red flag
     
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  4. starsfall

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    Wow... I watched Sirius on Netflix awhile back and thought a lot of the things Greer said and brought forward were pretty laughable, and he sort of seemed like he was definitely just seeking attention, but there were moments where he seemed like he could be redeemable and serious (no pun intended), has a lot happened to make him not a credible source at all that I'm unaware of?

    I admit I am very behind and haven't kept up with much in regards to him, I don't think I've seen Unacknowledged, or read anything to do with him on the internet mainly because the things I was exposed to regarding him just veered me off for the most part...
     
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  5. Standingstones

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    Let’s just say I am highly suspicious of an emergency room doctor giving up his practice in order to take groups of people out in the darkness to call down UFOs.
     
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  6. starsfall

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    I suppose so. From what I have seen and heard from him, he makes some pretty fantastic claims. I googled him after posting and saw a woman who went on one of his "outings", who actually paid for the "experience", say Greer claimed a ship came down and "landed on them", but was of course invisible.

    Not doubting his intelligence at all, because obviously if he's a retired doctor... but intelligence and delusion together are usually a recipe for disaster.
     
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  7. Standingstones

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    Remember what Carl Sagan once said... “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
     
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  8. Spaceman spiff

    Spaceman spiff Honorable

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    But also extraordinary investigations.
     
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  9. APIGuy

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    It occurs to me that many more people should read (or re-read) Jacques Vallee's book "Revelations".
     
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  10. nivek

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    In my opinion the delusional part is that he believes his own bs, or seems to, so he appears to be very convincing to the many unsuspecting people he tries to con money from...
     
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  11. nivek

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    Good points here, I hope it's just not more disinformation bs and they pan out to be authentic...

     
  12. nivek

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    There's also this posted on facebook...

     
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  13. nivek

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    More from Keith Basterfield;

    On the provenance of the purported Davis/Wilson document

    A document comes to light

    A document has surfaced, dated 16 October 2002, which purports to be a copy of a set of notes, (not a transcript as so many commentators are saying,) of a meeting, on that date, between Dr Eric Davis and US Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson.

    Introduction

    The purpose of this post is to try and set out some known facts about the provenance of this document, and then make some informed deductions. I must firstly state, that I have not obtained any of these deductions from the anonymous source who advised me that he was the individual who supplied a copy of the set of notes, to which Grant Cameron has been referring. These deductions are purely mine, and based on public knowledge.

    Known facts

    After my first blog on the topic of this meeting, I received a blog comment from US researcher Richard Dolan which, in part, advised that:

    "One important thing to add to your analysis is that I was shown two pages of that 15-page document back in 2006...I will never forget reading the statement 'not made by man - not by human hands'..."

    The Davis notes, on page 13, contain the statement, attributed to a program manager, "...it was technology that 'was not of this Earth- not made by man - not by human hands."

    So, here is someone who states they saw part of the notes back in 2006, four years after the purported meeting is dated. Dolan has declined to name the individual who showed him these two pages.

    Next, Canadian researcher Grant Cameron, who came into possession of a copy of the notes in late 2018, says that he received a copy of the notes from an individual. I have been able to communicate with this individual and obtained a statement from them, which I recently posted in the first blog on this topic. This person advised me that they also, would not name their source of the notes.

    In addition, in an interview on the Black Vault Radio show, dated 28 December 2018, Cameron said: "It's a transcript of an interview and the person who had it died, had the transcript, and it comes out of their files."

    Hypothesizing

    I am interested in determining the provenance of the notes back beyond my source. The following is my lines of reasoning for putting forward a potential individual's name, as the source of my source's copy.

    1. Firstly, going back to the original 1997 Wilson meeting with UFO researchers. Excellent research by journalist Giuliano Marinkovic, has identified that the attendees at this meeting, were:

    UFO researchers: Steven Greer; Shari Adamiak; Commander Willard Miller; Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin; Dr Edgar Mitchell.

    Government: Admiral Thomas R Wilson; Lieutenant General Patrick M Hughes; Admiral Mike Crawford.

    [Source: A privately circulated document, titled "Forsaken Poseidon: Anatomy of the USG UFO SAP Infrastructure," compiled by Giuliano Marinkovic, 2019.]

    2. I asked my source, if he had ever met Dr Edgar Mitchell? He replied that he had met him briefly, on several occasions. However, "that the Edgar Mitchell meetings may have nothing to do with the source of the documents." I thought that this wording was odd, "may have nothing," not "didn't have anything."

    3. I noted Grant Cameron's audio statement: "It's a transcript of an interview, and the person who had it died, had the transcript, and it comes out of their files."

    4. I understand that my source has in fact revealed to Grant Cameron, but not to me, the source of their copy of the notes. On 13 June 2019, on his Face Book page, Grant Cameron posted an unusual link to an old document. It was based on a radio interview which was broadcast on the Australian Broadcasting Commission's network, back in 2008. It featured some claims by Dr Edgar Mitchell in relation to information he had obtained from unnamed sources; and some comments by myself.

    To my knowledge, no-one has circulated a link to this 2008 ABC interview, since I did the interview in 2008. It is so obscure an item that most people have never heard of it. The text, by Cameron, which accompanied the link, simply said "The following article is about to come into play." To me, it seems to point to what is clearly an important piece of information, to Cameron. The individuals named in the article are Dr Mitchell and myself. I suggest that Cameron is pointing to Dr Mitchell. Why?

    5. Dr Edgar Mitchell was on the Science Advisory Board of the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) when Dr Eric Davis was a NIDS employee, and thus were well known to each other.

    6. Dr Edgar Mitchell, who passed away in 2016, is central in all of the above information.

    My current hypothesis then, is that the source of my source's copy of the notes, was from the files of Edgar Mitchell.

    Confirmation sought

    Before publishing this post, I forwarded a copy of a draft of it, to both my source, and to Grant Cameron, and sought their comments on it.

    My source responded almost immediately, with a "no comment."

    Following my email to him, Grant Cameron then posted the following on his Face Book page.

    "For some time now Richard Dolan has encouraged me to become involved in the story of the two recently leaked UFO documents. I have resisted but Monday morning I will enter the game and make a posting.

    I will post a third document that will begin to explain where these documents came from and what is going on."

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  14. Standingstones

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    Two things struck me: the first name under the UFO Researchers... Dr. Steven Greer. That is always a red flag item for me. Secondly: Dr. Edgar Mitchell is mentioned a number of times. Unfortunately for all of us, he has passed on, so there is no way to float more questions to him. How very frustrating.
     
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  15. nivek

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    Yeah same for me, but I found myself questioning myself, could I be wrong about Greer?...I find it ridiculous to even give thought to that question but here we have this leaked document which might be legit and that document inconveniently has Greer's name on it...ugh

    ...
     
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  16. nivek

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  17. Standingstones

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    My memory isn't so bad that I can forget Dolan and the Roswell baby incident. Dolan was flown down to Mexico and received a fee to be on the panel discussing that fiasco. Once he was onstage, he realized the BS Jaime Maussan was presenting. Afterwards he excused himself from the whole situation. It was a “take the money and run” deal.

    He lost my trust as well as a few others in the UFO community over the years. I wouldn’t lump Dr. Mitchell in with Dolan and Greer.
     
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  18. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    the leak is legit, the information in it, however is up to debate
     
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  19. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    he din't want to comment about it, according to keith basterfield
     
  20. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    damn, he died at the exactly wrong time, the time when tide seems to be finally changing.....
     

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